closed Chelsea 3-2 Leeds

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

The key is to get to the point our players return still in touch by hook or by crook and go from there.

It would help of course but is it really as simple as getting our injured players back?

2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Regarding the opponents in our good run it's easy to say in hindsight but at the time many were pissing their pants at going to our "bogey ground", having a post international break early kick off at Leicester and facing Juve's double decker. The latter two especially could and probably would have tripped us up if we weren't on it.

Why should how people viewed those games be of concern here? Leicester and Juventus aside, the rest were real scrubs. 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Good we won..not good is if we hadnt got 2 penalties..we wouldn't have! Still it's a win..

[NikkiCFC 8,323]

3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

If Werner, Havertz and Mount cannot produce in games like today as well as the boys who can come off the bench for us, then I would be worried.

So are you worried? They did not produce anything. First goal was all Alonso and 2 pens won by Rudiger and converted by Jorginho. 

On the other hand Ziyech produced in every of the last 6 or 7 games he played and did not start last 2 games. Absolutely mental from TT. Our good run was when Ziyech and CHO played. 

[NikkiCFC 8,323]

5 bad games in a row. Embarrassing, nothing to celebrate here. 

[Jase 43,479]

12 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

So are you worried? They did not produce anything. First goal was all Alonso and 2 pens won by Rudiger and converted by Jorginho. 

On the other hand Ziyech produced in every of the last 6 or 7 games he played and did not start last 2 games. Absolutely mental from TT. Our good run was when Ziyech and CHO played. 

If we can only play well when Ziyech and CHO start, then we are seriously fucked.

Okay, there were Juventus and Leicester in that run but for the love of god, we played some real horrendous teams - teams that we should be beating if we're being serious - during the run you mentioned. And since people are going all gaga over our injuries right now, you could also say that they did well when we had most key players available compared to now.

It's also funny you use stats to drive your agenda when it suits you. If your logic to players starting is goals (and/or assists), then why aren't you saying that Havertz shouldn't be starting considering his last goal was a month ago? Why are you saying CHO should start when he's scored only 1 goal in his last 9 appearances before today? Shouldn't Mount be starting considering he's now scored in 3 consecutive league games or are you gonna ignore that because it's Mount? 

[milka 3,393]

If we can get through to January  still in touch with City and Liverpool and get the injured players back in, anything can happen.

At the moment we  just survive . 

[NikkiCFC 8,323]

22 minutes ago, Jase said:

If we can only play well when Ziyech and CHO start, then we are seriously fucked.

Okay, there were Juventus and Leicester in that run but for the love of god, we played some real horrendous teams - teams that we should be beating if we're being serious - during the run you mentioned. And since people are going all gaga over our injuries right now, you could also say that they did well when we had most key players available compared to now.

It's also funny you use stats to drive your agenda when it suits you. If your logic to players starting is goals (and/or assists), then why aren't you saying that Havertz shouldn't be starting considering his last goal was a month ago? Why are you saying CHO should start when he's scored only 1 goal in his last 9 appearances before today? Shouldn't Mount be starting considering he's now scored in 3 consecutive league games or are you gonna ignore that because it's Mount? 

I said we had good run with CHO not that he should start. And no, I don't think Havertz should start either. I don't have any agenda, we have 7 players upfront for 3 positions. Ones who deliver should play. Simple as that. I said Werner should start today because he delivered against Zenit. I also said Mount was our best player against Watford and WH. But last 2 games he didn't deliver except tap in today. 

Main issue is that Ziyech got dropped for no reason. 

Against Everton for example Ziyech and Pulisic should be sure thing. 3rd spot between CHO and Mount. 

[NikkiCFC 8,323]

2 minutes ago, milka said:

If we can get through to January  still in touch with City and Liverpool and get the injured players back in, anything can happen.

At the moment we  just survive . 

At some point next week only Chilwell will be out so one injury cannot be excuse. 

[milka 3,393]

When there is no one to take the ball  and pass forward and everything falls to the defenders, the lack of Kova and Kante is massive I expect a huge improvement when at least one of them returns to the team 

[Pizy 18,913]

5 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

At some point next week only Chilwell will be out so one injury cannot be excuse. 

Kova has been out months and has COVID. Could take him a couple of weeks to get up to speed. Kante will have been out for a few weeks as well. We won’t be instantly fixed when these two get back.

What would be most helpful is for Lukaku, Werner, and Havertz to start banging the goals in.

[NikkiCFC 8,323]

2 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Kova has been out months and has COVID. Could take him a couple of weeks to get up to speed. Kante will have been out for a few weeks as well. We won’t be instantly fixed when these two get back.

What would be most helpful is for Lukaku, Werner, and Havertz to start banging the goals in.

We scored 7 goals last 3 games and only because of luck got one win today. If our defence was on previous level and kept clean sheets or even concede one goal in every game we would got all 3 wins. I agree those 3 players are under performing big time but it's essential for us to be solid at the back again because once we were we looked like title contender even with attacking players under performing. 

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

53 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

At some point next week only Chilwell will be out so one injury cannot be excuse. 

Trevor has played better than Christensen, we miss Trevor's pace back there

[Jase 43,479]

55 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I said we had good run with CHO not that he should start. And no, I don't think Havertz should start either. I don't have any agenda, we have 7 players upfront for 3 positions. Ones who deliver should play. Simple as that. I said Werner should start today because he delivered against Zenit. I also said Mount was our best player against Watford and WH. But last 2 games he didn't deliver except tap in today. 

And yet, you said Havertz should start along with Werner and Ziyech for the Leeds game in another thread.

Didn't you say Mount was only our best player because the others didn't perform? 🤨

58 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Main issue is that Ziyech got dropped for no reason. 

Think the main issue is you're way too obsessed with stats...

[LAM09 7,056]

4 hours ago, Tomo said:

Anyway even if he was fully fit bringing on a shit presser when we were already getting ripped apart is tactical suicide.

I just wanted to go back to this as I didn't address it at the time - If we can bring on our most expensive player to score a goal at a time of need, what's he doing here?

[Mário César 1,270]

by the way, a little of offtopic, but Jimenez will able to play against us?

[NikkiCFC 8,323]

2 minutes ago, Mário César said:

by the way, a little of offtopic, but Jimenez will able to play against us?

Yes. 

[Warning_Hazard 156]

 

I think we need to get the magic spray out because this team just aiint right with the injuries

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

I just wanted to go back to this as I didn't address it at the time - If we can bring on our most expensive player to score a goal at a time of need, what's he doing here?

Without meaning to be pedantic we didn't see to score at the point I posted the original post, we just needed to stop Leeds from doing so and we were finding that hard enough as it was without bringing on someone next to useless out of possession.

Re the bolded bit, you're preaching to the converted.

[Fulham Broadway 17,315]

Watching it again on Sky Game of the Day. and will watch highlights on MOTD

Beating some teams Leeds, Man U, Liverpool is absolutely paramount regardless of trophies -its in the Chelsea blood

[Mário César 1,270]

I've feeling that this win could be one of the most importants of the season.