closed Chelsea 1-1 Burnley

[Jase 43,479]

18 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

And Sarr selection could have costed us 2 or 3 points against Brentford but Mendy saved us. He is playing too much which can cost us title. Liverpool and City will go over 90 points, every point can be deciding. 

You are acting as if City and Liverpool haven't botched it against the smaller teams. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 minutes ago, Jase said:

You are acting as if City and Liverpool haven't botched it against the smaller teams. 

Pool will crash out sooner or later but City have already beaten us.

[milka 3,393]

One of these shit days .

[milka 3,393]

2 hours ago, Milan said:

You deserve a ban for posting such a crap.

In 99 of 100 times  it was 4:0 so i  will posting what i want 

[LAM09 7,056]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

And Sarr selection could have costed us 2 or 3 points against Brentford but Mendy saved us. He is playing too much which can cost us title. Liverpool and City will go over 90 points, every point can be deciding. 

He only had one option that day (chose Azpi at RWB instead of CB), which wasn't the case today. Him still not knowing his best XI is probably more cause for concern tbh.

[Jase 43,479]

24 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

He only had one option that day (chose Azpi at RWB instead of CB), which wasn't the case today. Him still not knowing his best XI is probably more cause for concern tbh.

At this point, I think it's a case that Tuchel likes to rotate - as he did at Dortmund, PSG etc - more than anything else, especially with so many players in the squad like Guardiola at City.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

2 hours ago, Milan said:

City lost 3 points against Palace at home, Liverpool lost 2 points at home too last weekend. Laughable to think we would be winning week in week out.

Fuck sake, these matches happen. Get over it. It is not like we were bad and deserved this.

Exactly which is why we need to capitalise on these sort of things and win the games, particularly against teams like Burnley who were thoroughly dominated from minute 1 to minute 94 or whatever. So why is it so outrageous to think like that? Or are people happy for us just to make up a place in the top 4 and not be more competitive and push Liverpool and City harder/overtake them. 

In big games, we will get results - this has been shown v Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc but we still need to take advantage of these moments when the others drop points and beat the smaller teams. Even more so when your on top of the table and teams are chasing you. Its different from being the chaser.

Going into this international break with 5 points between us and City and 6 points between us and Liverpool is better than 3 and 4 points. I have no doubts Tuchel will be rueing not getting additional 2 points which you’d argue 90% of the performance deserved bar the 10% in the final third which we were lacking. 

Obviously you cannot win every week but the way we played today was great but there is no point playing great and drawing games v Burnley when your goals is to challenge/win the title. Because that has to be where we are now. Other teams will drop points, we will also again undoubtedly but the manner in which we dropped them today is hugely disappointing. 

[Jase 43,479]

16 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Exactly which is why we need to capitalise on these sort of things and win the games, particularly against teams like Burnley who were thoroughly dominated from minute 1 to minute 94 or whatever. So why is it so outrageous to think like that? Or are people happy for us just to make up a place in the top 4 and not be more competitive and push Liverpool and City harder/overtake them. 

In big games, we will get results - this has been shown v Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc but we still need to take advantage of these moments when the others drop points and beat the smaller teams. Even more so when your on top of the table and teams are chasing you. Its different from being the chaser.

Going into this international break with 5 points between us and City and 6 points between us and Liverpool is better than 3 and 4 points. I have no doubts Tuchel will be rueing not getting additional 2 points which you’d argue 90% of the performance deserved bar the 10% in the final third which we were lacking. 

Obviously you cannot win every week but the way we played today was great but there is no point playing great and drawing games v Burnley when your goals is to challenge/win the title. Because that has to be where we are now. Other teams will drop points, we will also again undoubtedly but the manner in which we dropped them today is hugely disappointing. 

We were unlucky not to win today, just as we were lucky to win at Brentford. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

12 minutes ago, Jase said:

We were unlucky not to win today, just as we were lucky to win at Brentford. 

True but at the top of the league you set the pace and at the end of the game, it is 2 dropped points, unlucky or not.

They might not or likely will not be significant but it just takes 2/3 games of contrasting results for us, City and Liverpool for that top 3 to totally change. Then you start looking at okay what results didn’t put more distance between teams A, B and C.

Same thing happened with us under Di Matteo in 12-13, were top from beginning of the season to November then a few draws and a loss made us drop from 1st to 3rd. Different teams and managers but doesn’t mean we should just go okay we were unfortunate not to win, this season is going to be the most competitive title for years with us, Liverpool and City clearly ahead of the rest so games and results like this today, they cannot just be chalked up to unlucky, we should of found a way. If we want to be successful and win league championships, in these scrappy games we have to find a way to win them. Like we did at Brentford somehow. And Villa despite playing poorly. 

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[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

True but at the top of the league you set the pace and at the end of the game, it is 2 dropped points, unlucky or not.

They might not or likely will not be significant but it just takes 2/3 games of contrasting results for us, City and Liverpool for that top 3 to totally change. Then you start looking at okay what results didn’t put more distance between teams A, B and C.

Same thing happened with us under Di Matteo in 12-13, were top from beginning of the season to November then a few draws and a loss made us drop from 1st to 3rd. Different teams and managers but doesn’t mean we should just go okay we were unfortunate not to win, this season is going to be the most competitive title for years with us, Liverpool and City clearly ahead of the rest so games and results like this today, they cannot just be chalked up to unlucky, we should of found a way. If we want to be successful and win league championships, in these scrappy games we have to find a way to win them. Like we did at Brentford somehow. And Villa despite playing poorly. 

Don't need to be so dramatic. Shit happens. We were laughing this time last weekend when Liverpool botched a 2-0 lead against Brighton while City lost at home to Palace. 

Am waiting to see if we will still be up there come February or March. Too early to talk about a title challenge now, especially after all the stupid false dawns over the last decade!

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Just now, Jase said:

Don't need to be so dramatic. Shit happens. We were laughing this time last weekend when Liverpool botched a 2-0 lead against Brighton while City lost at home to Palace. 

Am waiting to see if we will still be up there come February or March. Too early to talk about a title challenge now, especially after all the stupid false dawns over the last decade!

But these sort of games or results is how we ended up blowing these sorts in the past aren’t they, no? Lets hope its a one off but we lack a clinical edge and thats been the same since Diego Costa was here. Tuchel sort of side stepped around the fact we only had 4 shots on target from 25. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

But these sort of games or results is how we ended up blowing these sorts in the past aren’t they, no? Lets hope its a one off but we lack a clinical edge and thats been the same since Diego Costa was here. 

Precisely why I'm not bothered about all this title challenge talk right now. Only 11 games in and every team will have their shit day. Let's see if we can keep them to minimum in a few weeks/months time. 

2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tuchel sort of side stepped around the fact we only had 4 shots on target from 25. 

But Tuchel also acknowledged that we were unlucky today, just like we were lucky at Brentford. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

4 minutes ago, Jase said:

Precisely why I'm not bothered about all this title challenge talk right now. Only 11 games in and every team will have their shit day. Let's see if we can keep them to minimum in a few weeks/months time. 

But Tuchel also acknowledged that we were unlucky today, just like we were lucky at Brentford. 

Maybe but 11 games in and sitting at the top of the pile, having played City, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal already, whatever way you look at it, we will be talked about as challenging for the title. As we were preseason. And we have to make that step. Even if we don’t win it we have to be up there.

Unlucky maybe but still, not clinical enough. Points dropped. Any points dropped when your at the top gives everyone else a chance to make up ground.

[LAM09 7,056]

2 hours ago, Jase said:

At this point, I think it's a case that Tuchel likes to rotate - as he did at Dortmund, PSG etc - more than anything else, especially with so many players in the squad like Guardiola at City.

The difference is the drop off from our squad to City's. If Pulisic & Mount (he was ill from an infection) are fit, why aren't they starting? 

Some players should be kept for random cup games & the odd few minutes once games are already decided.

[Jase 43,479]

20 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

The difference is the drop off from our squad to City's. If Pulisic & Mount (he was ill from an infection) are fit, why aren't they starting? 

Some players should be kept for random cup games & the odd few minutes once games are already decided.

But Pulisic hadn't played at all since mid August while Tuchel already indicated on Friday that Mount won't be able to play much. Today's game really had nothing to do with them not playing. 

[LAM09 7,056]

1 minute ago, Jase said:

But Pulisic hasn't played at all since mid August while Tuchel already indicated on Friday that Mount won't be able to play much. Today's game really had nothing to do with them not playing. 

Pulisic played on Tuesday night?

I'm putting the fact we lost two points behind me, but for anyone to say Tuchel didn't make poor selection choices is beyond me.

[laura90 556]

After seeing line up I was sure after the match I would post how genius Tuchel is and how disappointed I was  he had chosen Lukaku for his winning silverware ambitions. It wasn't given. Guys, Ross Barkley started this match for us. Ross Barkley. And Cho. How many complete matches this duo have this calendar year? It's November. This was their first start with Havertz. They created lots of chances but they missed practice, self esteem  to certain extent. Maybe even match sharpness. Game had it's elements to go wrong.

About Leauge title. Lukaku will play against West Ham home and away , Everton home and away, City home, Man Utd home and away, Liverpool home, Arsenal home, Tottenham home. During at  least half of those games we won't be able to press and defend properly maybe even score. We will lose points. After November - December slump we may find ourselves fighting for the third place . 

Don't expect it anyway. Leave room to be shocked just like I would be.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

I think we are still in it for a title run, with or without Lukaku.

 

 

[Jase 43,479]

8 hours ago, LAM09 said:

Pulisic played on Tuesday night?

I'm putting the fact we lost two points behind me, but for anyone to say Tuchel didn't make poor selection choices is beyond me.

Yes, Pulisic came on against Malmo but it was only for the last 15 minutes. But the point is, he's well short of match fitness having barely played in almost 3 months. It's understandable if Tuchel wants to take it slowly with Pulisic and not start him just yet, especially against a side like Burnley.

Not sure why you're criticizing Tuchel's selection. The problem yesterday was that we didn't finish the chances rather than not playing well. Had Havertz, CHO, Barkley or one of the CBs converted one extra chance and we won, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The only selection that is perhaps questionable was the inclusion of Barkley but then again, one could argue that Ziyech has been poor, Pulisic is hardly match fit while Mount is being affected by infection and thus not at 100%. 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

You knew it was going to happen when we missed so many chances. A annoyance but we've done this a lot.

And he is right about Brentford..if Mendy hasn't been on form easily been a loss. It happens.. Liverpool not winning be lovely