closed Chelsea 1-1 Burnley

[Jase 43,479]

11 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Think you both are now underestimating Lukaku. I too believe he shouldn't be utilised as a 100 million transfer should, but he would've been a help today. 

It's not exactly clear cut, is it?

As @Tomo mentioned, it's all good and nice if Lukaku scores but when he doesn't, he's been mostly anonymous and it's not as if he hasn't been "infected" with the 'miss chances' virus this season. If Lukaku had played, would we have had so many shots and chances against Burnley? Maybe he would have gotten a chance and scored today but this isn't a straightforward plug-and-drop situation with Lukaku and you know as much that our attacking play becomes wholly different when he is leading the line. We created enough chances today as it was and if we had put one extra chance away, we wouldn't be having this conversation, just like no one had it after we strolled past Malmo, Norwich and Newcastle. 

[Tomo 21,681]

8 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

 

Think you both are now underestimating Lukaku. I too believe he shouldn't be utilised as a 100 million transfer should, but he would've been a help today. 

If he played today we created jack all and won 2-1 because he took what little we did create I'd have been happy we got the three points but worried going forward.

It's not just how he doesn't mesh on the ball it's how he doesn't off it. Our stats for successful pressures were slightly ahead of Tottenham's a few weeks ago and I'd wager we have shot up the table in that regard since (and we look a much more solid unit collectively aswell).

That's not to say he doesn't have it's uses but he needs to at the very least meet the system half way, he's simply not at the level to have a Hazard esque workrate exemption. 

[cosmicway 1,252]

Meanwhile Juventus is a circus of clowns.

[cosmicway 1,252]

8 minutes ago, Jase said:

It's not exactly clear cut, is it?

As @Tomo mentioned, it's all good and nice if Lukaku scores but when he doesn't, he's been mostly anonymous and it's not as if he hasn't been "infected" with the 'miss chances' virus this season. If Lukaku had played, would we have had so many shots and chances against Burnley? Maybe he would have gotten a chance and scored today but this isn't a straightforward plug-and-drop situation with Lukaku and you know as much that our attacking play becomes wholly different when he is leading the line. We created enough chances today as it was and if we had put one extra chance away, we wouldn't be having this conversation, just like no one had it after we strolled past Malmo, Norwich and Newcastle. 

Lukaku is not so much uninvolved as Costa was.
Costa was doing nothing besides waiting for Cesc.
If he was in the same situations as Kai or Barkley we would have had two more.
If the ball was in the air I don't know, maybe luckier than Tiago maybe not.

Edited November 6, 2021 by cosmicway

[Jase 43,479]

18 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

And Sarr selection could have costed us 2 or 3 points against Brentford but Mendy saved us. He is playing too much which can cost us title. Liverpool and City will go over 90 points, every point can be deciding. 

You are acting as if City and Liverpool haven't botched it against the smaller teams. 

[cosmicway 1,252]

2 minutes ago, Jase said:

You are acting as if City and Liverpool haven't botched it against the smaller teams. 

Pool will crash out sooner or later but City have already beaten us.

[milka 3,308]

One of these shit days .

[milka 3,308]

2 hours ago, Milan said:

You deserve a ban for posting such a crap.

In 99 of 100 times  it was 4:0 so i  will posting what i want 

[LAM09 6,548]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

And Sarr selection could have costed us 2 or 3 points against Brentford but Mendy saved us. He is playing too much which can cost us title. Liverpool and City will go over 90 points, every point can be deciding. 

He only had one option that day (chose Azpi at RWB instead of CB), which wasn't the case today. Him still not knowing his best XI is probably more cause for concern tbh.

[Jase 43,479]

24 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

He only had one option that day (chose Azpi at RWB instead of CB), which wasn't the case today. Him still not knowing his best XI is probably more cause for concern tbh.

At this point, I think it's a case that Tuchel likes to rotate - as he did at Dortmund, PSG etc - more than anything else, especially with so many players in the squad like Guardiola at City.

[OneMoSalah 8,614]

2 hours ago, Milan said:

City lost 3 points against Palace at home, Liverpool lost 2 points at home too last weekend. Laughable to think we would be winning week in week out.

Fuck sake, these matches happen. Get over it. It is not like we were bad and deserved this.

Exactly which is why we need to capitalise on these sort of things and win the games, particularly against teams like Burnley who were thoroughly dominated from minute 1 to minute 94 or whatever. So why is it so outrageous to think like that? Or are people happy for us just to make up a place in the top 4 and not be more competitive and push Liverpool and City harder/overtake them. 

In big games, we will get results - this has been shown v Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc but we still need to take advantage of these moments when the others drop points and beat the smaller teams. Even more so when your on top of the table and teams are chasing you. Its different from being the chaser.

Going into this international break with 5 points between us and City and 6 points between us and Liverpool is better than 3 and 4 points. I have no doubts Tuchel will be rueing not getting additional 2 points which you’d argue 90% of the performance deserved bar the 10% in the final third which we were lacking. 

Obviously you cannot win every week but the way we played today was great but there is no point playing great and drawing games v Burnley when your goals is to challenge/win the title. Because that has to be where we are now. Other teams will drop points, we will also again undoubtedly but the manner in which we dropped them today is hugely disappointing. 

[Jase 43,479]

16 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Exactly which is why we need to capitalise on these sort of things and win the games, particularly against teams like Burnley who were thoroughly dominated from minute 1 to minute 94 or whatever. So why is it so outrageous to think like that? Or are people happy for us just to make up a place in the top 4 and not be more competitive and push Liverpool and City harder/overtake them. 

In big games, we will get results - this has been shown v Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc but we still need to take advantage of these moments when the others drop points and beat the smaller teams. Even more so when your on top of the table and teams are chasing you. Its different from being the chaser.

Going into this international break with 5 points between us and City and 6 points between us and Liverpool is better than 3 and 4 points. I have no doubts Tuchel will be rueing not getting additional 2 points which you’d argue 90% of the performance deserved bar the 10% in the final third which we were lacking. 

Obviously you cannot win every week but the way we played today was great but there is no point playing great and drawing games v Burnley when your goals is to challenge/win the title. Because that has to be where we are now. Other teams will drop points, we will also again undoubtedly but the manner in which we dropped them today is hugely disappointing. 

We were unlucky not to win today, just as we were lucky to win at Brentford. 

[OneMoSalah 8,614]

12 minutes ago, Jase said:

We were unlucky not to win today, just as we were lucky to win at Brentford. 

True but at the top of the league you set the pace and at the end of the game, it is 2 dropped points, unlucky or not.

They might not or likely will not be significant but it just takes 2/3 games of contrasting results for us, City and Liverpool for that top 3 to totally change. Then you start looking at okay what results didn’t put more distance between teams A, B and C.

Same thing happened with us under Di Matteo in 12-13, were top from beginning of the season to November then a few draws and a loss made us drop from 1st to 3rd. Different teams and managers but doesn’t mean we should just go okay we were unfortunate not to win, this season is going to be the most competitive title for years with us, Liverpool and City clearly ahead of the rest so games and results like this today, they cannot just be chalked up to unlucky, we should of found a way. If we want to be successful and win league championships, in these scrappy games we have to find a way to win them. Like we did at Brentford somehow. And Villa despite playing poorly. 

Edited November 6, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

True but at the top of the league you set the pace and at the end of the game, it is 2 dropped points, unlucky or not.

They might not or likely will not be significant but it just takes 2/3 games of contrasting results for us, City and Liverpool for that top 3 to totally change. Then you start looking at okay what results didn’t put more distance between teams A, B and C.

Same thing happened with us under Di Matteo in 12-13, were top from beginning of the season to November then a few draws and a loss made us drop from 1st to 3rd. Different teams and managers but doesn’t mean we should just go okay we were unfortunate not to win, this season is going to be the most competitive title for years with us, Liverpool and City clearly ahead of the rest so games and results like this today, they cannot just be chalked up to unlucky, we should of found a way. If we want to be successful and win league championships, in these scrappy games we have to find a way to win them. Like we did at Brentford somehow. And Villa despite playing poorly. 

Don't need to be so dramatic. Shit happens. We were laughing this time last weekend when Liverpool botched a 2-0 lead against Brighton while City lost at home to Palace. 

Am waiting to see if we will still be up there come February or March. Too early to talk about a title challenge now, especially after all the stupid false dawns over the last decade!

[OneMoSalah 8,614]

Just now, Jase said:

Don't need to be so dramatic. Shit happens. We were laughing this time last weekend when Liverpool botched a 2-0 lead against Brighton while City lost at home to Palace. 

Am waiting to see if we will still be up there come February or March. Too early to talk about a title challenge now, especially after all the stupid false dawns over the last decade!

But these sort of games or results is how we ended up blowing these sorts in the past aren’t they, no? Lets hope its a one off but we lack a clinical edge and thats been the same since Diego Costa was here. Tuchel sort of side stepped around the fact we only had 4 shots on target from 25. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

But these sort of games or results is how we ended up blowing these sorts in the past aren’t they, no? Lets hope its a one off but we lack a clinical edge and thats been the same since Diego Costa was here. 

Precisely why I'm not bothered about all this title challenge talk right now. Only 11 games in and every team will have their shit day. Let's see if we can keep them to minimum in a few weeks/months time. 

2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tuchel sort of side stepped around the fact we only had 4 shots on target from 25. 

But Tuchel also acknowledged that we were unlucky today, just like we were lucky at Brentford. 

[OneMoSalah 8,614]

4 minutes ago, Jase said:

Precisely why I'm not bothered about all this title challenge talk right now. Only 11 games in and every team will have their shit day. Let's see if we can keep them to minimum in a few weeks/months time. 

But Tuchel also acknowledged that we were unlucky today, just like we were lucky at Brentford. 

Maybe but 11 games in and sitting at the top of the pile, having played City, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal already, whatever way you look at it, we will be talked about as challenging for the title. As we were preseason. And we have to make that step. Even if we don’t win it we have to be up there.

Unlucky maybe but still, not clinical enough. Points dropped. Any points dropped when your at the top gives everyone else a chance to make up ground.

[LAM09 6,548]

2 hours ago, Jase said:

At this point, I think it's a case that Tuchel likes to rotate - as he did at Dortmund, PSG etc - more than anything else, especially with so many players in the squad like Guardiola at City.

The difference is the drop off from our squad to City's. If Pulisic & Mount (he was ill from an infection) are fit, why aren't they starting? 

Some players should be kept for random cup games & the odd few minutes once games are already decided.