The Tuchel Thread

[OneMoSalah 8,785]

19 hours ago, Mana said:

Change TT to Di Matteo and it's the exact same thing except TT just about, just squeezed in top 4 for us. Both managers turned our seasons around, each winning the CL + 1 trophy.

Di Matteo actually finished 6th in the PL. Which was lower than where we were when he took over… 

[Tomo 21,733]

The Di Matteo comparisions are so lazy.

They lifted the same trophy but that's where the comparisions well and truly end.

[NikkiCFC 8,058]

43 minutes ago, Tomo said:

The Di Matteo comparisions are so lazy.

They lifted the same trophy but that's where the comparisions well and truly end.

I agree. RDM also won Fa Cup but TT failed. 

[NikkiCFC 8,058]

3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Di Matteo actually finished 6th in the PL. Which was lower than where we were when he took over… 

TT got us into top4 in the end thanks to opponents just like Lampard. He won 38 points in half season which is 76 full season and that is underperforming with this squad. On paper we are easily 85 point squad.

Draws with Leeds, Wolves, Southampton, Brighton, losses against WBA, Arsenal, AV...

His pragmatic approach could work in knockout system especially if you have easy road to the final like we did... Fa Cup final was also huge cock up.

And it is scary to think without Kepa he would failed to deliver Super Cup and would already be eliminated from Carabao Cup.

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

7 hours ago, Tomo said:

Bar two games we were pretty solid under Sarri and that was with Alonso, Luiz and Kepa playing every week. We were even pretty solid under Lamps once Mendy and Silva were in.

I don't think it will be the complete shit show it's assumed it will be.

You need to look at the context. Sarri had to revert to a strict possession game to avoid having the gaps in midfield being exploited during defensive transition. We then all saw how redundant our football became, needing Hazard to save us on occasion. 

Havertz, Werner, and Ziyech don't fit in this system either. We expect to compete against Liverpool and City with CHO and Pulisic as our attackers supporting Lukaku? We also still have the same issue of lack of creativity in midfield if we are wagering Mount, Kante, and Kovacic to create our chances. 

[Tomo 21,733]

15 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

TT got us into top4 in the end thanks to opponents just like Lampard. He won 38 points in half season which is 76 full season and that is underperforming with this squad. On paper we are easily 85 point squad.

Draws with Leeds, Wolves, Southampton, Brighton, losses against WBA, Arsenal, AV...

His pragmatic approach could work in knockout system especially if you have easy road to the final like we did... Fa Cup final was also huge cock up.

And it is scary to think without Kepa he would failed to deliver Super Cup and would already be eliminated from Carabao Cup.

Unless you finish with 109 or more points then you are always relying on opponents to some degree.

[Gianfranco_Z 202]

Want Tuchel to succeed, I’d like to see him try a different system

[Last Sicarius 610]

Some day i would as to try some ultra offensive formation maybe against Norwich? Pep uses it a lot and he easily scoring 4 or more goals.  Last time when we scored 5 goals in league it was in 2019 lol Sometimes i really think that Tuchel mainly think to not lost a goal and after that is scoring.  We only once did comeback with Tuchel and it was against City in league. 

[NikkiCFC 8,058]

Lamps played that and it ended catastrophic. 

[Clockwork 1,794]

10 hours ago, Tomo said:

The Di Matteo comparisions are so lazy.

They lifted the same trophy but that's where the comparisions well and truly end.

I think Tuchel is a better manager by a good margin. But there is some serious concerns from an attacking standpoint. 
Give Klopp and Pep the likes of Ziyech, Mount, Havertz, Pulisic, Werner, Odoi, etc they would play much better.

I like Tuchel and really hope he turns it around, but that is the challenge get more out of them. Because players like Neymar, Mbappe, and Messi are not walking into the door.

Edited October 1, 2021 by Clockwork

[Magic Lamps 11,668]

59 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

I think Tuchel is a better manager by a good margin. But there is some serious concerns from an attacking standpoint. 
Give Klopp and Pep the likes of Ziyech, Mount, Havertz, Pulisic, Werner, Odoi, etc they would play much better.

I like Tuchel and really hope he turns it around, but that is the challenge get more out of them. Because players like Neymar, Mbappe, and Messi are not walking into the door.

i am surprised he has not gotten a lot out of them so far( esp given how free-scoring Aubameyang, Miki, Reus were, even duds like Max Philip performed under him in attack). But neither did Lamps. Those players all have their individual problems that hinder their development and TT does not seem to have a solution for any. A change in system might get a bit more out of them and while i think we will be more stable than under Lampard there will be a lot of problems re-occuring. We definitely should keep the option of playing 5atb in big games and even drop Lukaku there. Will need some massive balls, but otherwise i fear TT will be a goner next year.

 

[Jase 43,479]

On 01/10/2021 at 08:31, Clockwork said:

Lukaku has stated numerous times that he was set on staying at Inter, but Tuchel convinced  and wanted him at Chelsea. Maybe he wasn’t his first choice, but it is clear that Tuchel wanted him.

If you heard what Werner, Ziyech and I think Havertz said about Lampard last season, then it's clear that he wanted them as well, but only for him to bungle things up, results to go south and him getting the sack. 

[Jase 43,479]

21 hours ago, Tomo said:

The Di Matteo comparisions are so lazy.

They lifted the same trophy but that's where the comparisions well and truly end.

Somewhat off topic but I find it hilarious some people in the media used the FA Cup success to justify that Arteta is good as if winning a domestic cup competition means a manager is good when RDM won the FA Cup and Champions League but has never backed up that success.

[Tomo 21,733]

1 hour ago, Jase said:

Somewhat off topic but I find it hilarious some people in the media used the FA Cup success to justify that Arteta is good as if winning a domestic cup competition means a manager is good when RDM won the FA Cup and Champions League but has never backed up that success.

The PR that is being done for this guy is borderline deranged.

They knew the "he took over a mess" line was wearing thin so they brought a load of young players on the guise of it will take a few years and people have fallen for it already, absolutely insane.

[SomethingSomething 17]

On 30/09/2021 at 19:53, Jase said:

Has that not been the case since the last international break?

Villa in the league - we were unconvincing throughout the game and only won because of 2 clinical finishes from Lukaku and Kovacic pouncing on a mistake.

Zenit - struggled to create anything until Azpi suddenly dropping a precise cross for Morata Lukaku.

Spurs - awful in the first half and broke them with a goal from a corner and deflection from 25-30 yards out.

Villa in the league cup - also unconvincing but it could be put down to the wholesale changes made to the team.

All those unconvincing/awful performances led to what we saw against City and Juventus. It wasn't surprising. It had been coming.

In that case we have been inconvincing most of the season. We had penalties against villareal, drew to pool. Cp and arsenal games were done comfortably though.

[NikkiCFC 8,058]

I was surprised with changes. He did not bring offensive players only like for like subs but Jorginho won red card, Barkley unlocked them with great pass and MM should get assist but Lukaku missed.

I also liked Chalobah and RLC starting so today he did great.

[Last Sicarius 610]

Good picks like Chalobah, CHO and RLC. Chilly also awesome apart that pen. 
Barkley did more in last two games than Havertz and Ziyech in this season.

[Clockwork 1,794]

I thought him bringing on Barkley was quite telling, and IMO quite condemning of his ability to fix our attack. The fact he brought a player that has hardly played and he does not rate says he is out of idea how to get more out of the players that he has played regularly since getting the job. Made substitutions with similar players, unwilling to move past his 5 set defenders in a game.
 

Bringing Barkley in was a shot in the dark, praying something sticks.