closed Chelsea 1-1 Aston Villa

[Vesper 28,842]

unbelievable that we are the only team other than BURNLEY who basically never changes formation/style of play

keep fucking about we will start being closer to Burnley that the top 4

[Vesper 28,842]

such a profound lack of imagination from Lampard

[Azul 1,615]

Can anyone tell me the difference between Lampard and Moyes? Moyes just has worse players. The only thing both of them want from their players is crosses.

[Special Juan 27,429]

1 minute ago, Azul said:

Can anyone tell me the difference between Lampard and Moyes? Moyes just has worse players. The only thing both of them want from their players is crosses.

Moyes has a clue what he's doing.

[Vesper 28,842]

1 minute ago, Special Juan said:

with a heart like a pea.

[Vesper 28,842]

Kante was a monster, but he cannot do it by his fucking self

[fmsch24 312]

4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Ole changes up formations all the time

and plays players in different positions until he finds one they work at

That Maybe true but I saw the United game against Leicester and other previous games and they play decent free flowing football and I hate to admit it as a Chelsea fan but that’s the reality. Our style of play is obvious play from the right wing if it doesn’t work the left wing, if we’re desperate and out of time cross in the box and hope for the best. the team lacks a football style and that’s on the manager. The problem with the fan base is we keep making excuses for Frank despite how tactically inept he is. If it was Sarri the fan base would demand his Sacking after the Arsenal game, let’s be objective and leave emotions out of it 

[Nero 1,838]

We are so bad. 

[Vesper 28,842]

absolutely shambolic that Jorginho did not go back and cover for the injured AC on that goal

and outrageous no foul called on Grealish for leaving his leg out and cracking  AC

[kellzfresh 7,229]

14 minutes ago, Jason said:

We put Werner upfront late on in the game but what did we do? Passed the ball backwards, sideways and then try to deliver high crosses into the box. There were at least 2 such crosses - one from Chilwell in the 74th minute and another one from Azpi 5 minutes later. Fucking clueless. Nobody even took risks to play forward passes or those vertical passes. Fucking clueless football!

We are cross FC 

[Alabama 1,992]

Just now, kellzfresh said:

We are cross FC 

CrossingFC

[Magic Lamps 11,655]

Just now, Vesper said:

unbelievable that we are the only team other than BURNLEY who basically never changes formation/style of play

keep fucking about we will start being closer to Burnley that the top 4

I think we definitely should be able to pull off a decent 4-4-2 as well as a diamond with the players we have if required.

a 2 striker system with Giroud and Werner would give all those old-fashioned centre back pairings a lot to think.

Not sure if Pochettino and his eternal 4-2-3-1 are the way to go tho. Our problems go way deeper than Lampard. We have amassed a squad without real character and it is not fair demand this of the new arrivals. The problem is in the mismanagement of the squad by the board that basically begun after Carlo had the old guard running with the right football. We then had changing managers with very different styles and bought a ton of terrible players for their styles and repeated this like 10 times. We have not really had an identity since and have tried to build a new one from scratch every time.

I do not think Lampard is a goner yet. Not because he deserves more time but bc he is someone who knows the club and knows how to get along with the hierachy. He will get until the leicester game i think.

What puzzles me most is how good we have looked during our unbeaten run. not every game but there were some where we were swaggering around like prime barcelona and dissected teams at will with our passing. maybe the payers need a bit mor efreedom or maybe teams have found us out and thus we have returned to the cross to giroud route...but i refuse to believe it is all been just ziyech's injury.

[Vesper 28,842]

2 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I think we definitely should be able to pull off a decent 4-4-2 as well as a diamond with the players we have if required.

a 2 striker system with Giroud and Werner would give all those old-fashioned centre back pairings a lot to think.

Not sure if Pochettino and his eternal 4-2-3-1 are the way to go tho. Our problems go way deeper than Lampard. We have amassed a squad without real character and it is not fair demand this of the new arrivals. The problem is in the mismanagement of the squad by the board that basically begun after Carlo had the old guard running with the right football. We then had changing managers with very different styles and bought a ton of terrible players for their styles and repeated this like 10 times. We have not really had an identity since and have tried to build a new one from scratch every time.

I do not think Lampard is a goner yet. Not because he deserves more time but bc he is someone who knows the club and knows how to get along with the hierachy. He will get until the leicester game i think.

What puzzles me most is how good we have looked during our unbeaten run. not every game but there were some where we were swaggering around like prime barcelona and dissected teams at will with our passing. maybe the payers need a bit mor efreedom or maybe teams have found us out and thus we have returned to the cross to giroud route...but i refuse to believe it is all been just ziyech's injury.

4 1 3 2

or

4 3 1 2

[Nero 1,838]

28 minutes ago, Stats said:

Villa without two key players in Mings and Barkley and we succumb to a 1-1 draw. Just not good enough.

But Mount played 90 minutes, so i'm happy!

[Special Juan 27,429]

Ben Chilwell said Frank is more pleased today than after the Arsenal game.....Oh well that's just fucking great isn't it.

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Ben Chilwell said Frank is more pleased today than after the Arsenal game.....Oh well that's just fucking great isn't it.

 

[Blue Armour 4,289]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Goals aside, Lampard has got tactical problems with the players. Whenever we play Werner out wide in this 4-3-3, he doesn't offer anything going forward - e.g. creating chances - and when we play Giroud upfront, he doesn't offer anything either, barely involved in the game. Both players don't offer much apart from trying to get at the end of chances. 

And that's without even going into Lampard's use of Werner in this winger role...

 

Werner needs to be fed quick passes through the channels. I've seen a lot of games (even where he plays on the wing) where he stands on the shoulder of his defender waiting for that through-ball to come. Unfortunately the supporting players don't have either the vision or the passing range to find him in these situations. He usually gets fed the ball in situations when there are defenders in front of him, and he has to make something of it, and that makes him much less useful.

Giroud would be more useful (other than heading crosses) if players like Mount/Pulisic linked up with him a lot more in the opponents box. That aspect of our play was a little better today I felt. Instead of lazily going to the wide area first time and whipping in the cross (like against Everton/Wolves), we tried to concentrate play in the middle moving the Villa defenders around, before sending it out wide. That's how the Chillwell goal came about

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Blue Armour said:

Werner needs to be fed quick passes through the channels. I've seen a lot of games (even where he plays on the wing) where he stands on the shoulder of his defender waiting for that through-ball to come. Unfortunately the supporting players don't have either the vision or the passing range to find him in these situations. He usually gets fed the ball in situations when there are defenders in front of him, and he has to make something of it, and that makes him much less useful.

Yeah...and look what happened when he came on and went upfront. We passed the ball backwards, sideways - SLOWLY - before looking to spam crosses into the box, all after allowing Villa to get back into their defensive shape. Like what was even the point of putting Werner upfront if we were just gonna continue spamming crosses into the box? Why didn't Lampard just leave Giroud on or bring Abraham on? Heck, could have even gone 2 up top with Werner and Giroud and get the former to work around the latter for any drop down etc. We played such braindead football towards the end.