Mikel John Obi

[Blue Gino 377]

I have yet to see Mikel on any critics' top ten list for defensive midfielders in the EPL let alone the world and all he's asked to do is the same dirty job that Makelele did with little fanfare in that position and I can only assume Roman doesn't put a lot of value in that position. AVB did and he sought out Romeu. That's a young player whom if he gets over his injury can make that position his and his alone. He can start attacks, get involved and score a goal. Reads it well too. Not take casual strolls or make a dumb fart brained pass to the opposition. Rafa saw that potential, christ I can't believe I'm agreeing with him, but had it not been for the injury Mikel would still be on that bench. Has anyone else notice a club try to offer a deal for Mikel? Says a lot to me.

[Kojo 4,676]

Yes this thread has been lacking a lot of intelligence in the past dozen pages, including posts defending Mikel by myself because the discussion had turned into a cat fight.

And we're back to the lack of intelligence....but thank you for taking a couple of sentences in my post completely out of context

Hahaha i love your little plan b move you made there, after Peace pretty much just torched your whole arguement you're now agreeing with him and saying that i only did that because they did this?

Bull shit, you think because Mikel passes the ball backwards he's one of the best passers in the world, any stats what come your way you will use them as your only arguement, however when he makes mistakes it's pinpointed on someone or even something else.

Oh and just for the record, I've been waiting on an intelligent arguement on why Mikel is so good, because all i see is the same old bull shit on that Mikel has a 90 percent pass completion.

[Kojo 4,676]

Fixed for you. I'm in the pro-Mikel camp but Mikel's overall performances aren't that consistent IMO - regardless, I still think he's a key player in our squad. If he's surrounded by the right players Mikel is excellent. If not then he struggles.

If Mikel is a key player, then god fucking help us, we may aswell kiss every future potential trophy good bye.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

First you say we the Mikel bashers who piss and moan about him will come to regret it but all I see is how Chelsea needs to accomodate him with tweaks in formations and surrounding him with certain players. Excuses excuses. You say Mikel is RESTRICTED but in a prior post you say he's a DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER who's job is not to do fancy tricks and shit just do the basics, now you say give him freedom to attack. WTF?

He has restricted role, not his skills. Given him some freedom will make him better player.

[GodZola 630]

u actually have a problem understanding that statament... UNBELIEVABLE. btw y did u stop the quoting at "are"... i ll tell u what i said next. it was "give him a respite for a game". u think thats a call to give a god like status??? (by the way try again to decode the hidden meaning in the statement, its not that difficult). few posts??? tell me a player who got half as much stick as mikel. i was stating the obvious. do u think busquets is some1 who can win barca champions league single handedly. NO. yet he is a very efficient cog in the barca wheel. does he have 10 assits or 5 goals in the season, i dont think so, yet every1 knows how important his defensive positioning and even his 6 yard passes to xavi and iniesta are. saying mikel thrives on the players around him is not an insult to him and u need to understand football better for it. not every1 in the team can be a matchwinner, some1 has to do the dirty work and for us the best option is mikel. he might not be the best in the world by some fair distance but he is not as bad and he definitely does not deserve the ridicule he is getting from his own fans.

Go away & learn English & then perhaps we might be able to hold a decent debate, I cannot decide whether you are a 10 year old, plain fucking stupid or on the wind up, but its possibly all 3! Its not just me that's tried to put something across to you civilly & also politely. You attack members by calling them hypocrites without any foundation then you show your arrogance by telling me 'to understand football' - who the fuck do you think you are, Mourinho? It's not only me that has been trying to get through to your thick skull but you just go off into your Mikel loving world & carry on ignoring what other members are saying to you.

There is so much I could reply to but I've already wasted too much time on posting to a brick wall. Do the rest of us a favour & stay on your planet - literally lost for words!!!!

[didierforever 7,349]

GodZola, on 02 Apr 2013 - 17:54, said:

Go away & learn English & then perhaps we might be able to hold a decent debate, I cannot decide whether you are a 10 year old, plain fucking stupid or on the wind up, but its possibly all 3! Its not just me that's tried to put something across to you civilly & also politely. You attack members by calling them hypocrites without any foundation then you show your arrogance by telling me 'to understand football' - who the fuck do you think you are, Mourinho? It's not only me that has been trying to get through to your thick skull but you just go off into your Mikel loving world & carry on ignoring what other members are saying to you.

There is so much I could reply to but I've already wasted too much time on posting to a brick wall. Do the rest of us a favour & stay on your planet - literally lost for words!!!!

this is a post from HUTCHO on the previous page

"Mikel is the only player who is considered one of the greatest dm's by some and terrible by others. I am not too sure he is a bit too inconsistent, but is very dependant on the man next to him. His all round game isn't as good as we would like as that would benefit our pivot much more. And if he was to play next to a proper deep lying playmaker which none of lampy Rambo or luiz are, then we may see a different mikel.

I do think he should stop shooting lol."

this is a post from skipper from the previous page

"Fixed for you. I'm in the pro-Mikel camp but Mikel's overall performances aren't that consistent IMO - regardless, I still think he's a key player in our squad. If he's surrounded by the right players Mikel is excellent. If not then he struggles."

as far as i understand it, these guys are saying the same exact thing that i said "mikel is some1 who plays well when in the right system and with the right players".different from what i said a couple of posts ago "

"someone who thrives more on the team's performance than any1 else in this squad".

so as i see it its not my arrogance thats making me say "understand football" but your absolute stupidity, your mind fucking and asenine naivety about the role of one of our most important and integral member of the squad that made me say it (see u r not the only bloody fucking asshole who can abuse instead of having a civilized debate).

also i dont see any1 else having as big a problem with me as u do, who instead of debating on what actually is relevant wants to take me down on the usage of "god like status" and the word "hypocrite" in one of my post while neglecting every thing else.

for eg - this is an exchange between me and english freak which ended in 4 posts because luckily he was not too obsessive with my exact usage of any 1 particular word or my english or my grammar.

didierforever

i was stating the obvious. do u think busquets is some1 who can win barca champions league single handedly. NO. yet he is a very efficient cog in the barca wheel. does he have 10 assits or 5 goals in the season, i dont think so, yet every1 knows how important his defensive positioning and even his 6 yard passes to xavi and iniesta are. saying mikel thrives on the players around him is not an insult to him and u need to understand football better for it. not every1 in the team can be a matchwinner, some1 has to do the dirty work and for us the best option is mikel. he might not be the best in the world by some fair distance but he is not as bad and he definitely does not deserve the ridicule he is getting from his own fans.

englishfreak

Yes, someone has to do the dirty work in midfield..but the issue with Mikel has ALWAYS been consistency.He puts in a good performance against United...then goes missing against mid-table clubs...Busquets isn't a matchwinner for Barcelona but he's a consistent player.

didierforever

i know. and thus i said he is "for us the best option is mikel" and " he might not be the best in the world by some fair distance but he is not as bad and he definitely does not deserve the ridicule he is getting from his own fans."i am under no illusion about mikel's consistency. its the extreme hatred and some of the absolute anti-mikel comments that bother me.

englishfreak

I reckon bringing in another DM is the best option for Chelsea and Mikel.That way, we'll have another option for the midfield (it'll keep the players fresh) and the new DM will be able to challenge Mikel for his first team place.

so its not very suprising to see who cant have a decent debate or who might be fucking 10, wait... 6 years old or who might be on a wind up...

[GodZola 630]

Now i will keep this clean and as simple as i can, just answer my questions and don't off on a tangent.

people are bloody awesome on this forum... had any1 else in the chelsea shirt put on the performance mikel did today, that guy might have been elevated to the god status but the bloody hypocrites that people are, wont even give mikel the respite of this game.

This was part of your first post, which refers to members on this forum are hypocrites because they hadn't at this early stage give Mikel any credit - yes or no? What you have failed to acknowledge is that i actually did!

In the same sentence you refer to anyone bar Mikel had put in that performance then they would of been elevated to god status - yes or no? Now i said that i could not understand why you could refer to this performance as god like status because he was no better than any other player and certainly not as good as Ba or Cech, i then stated that you pointed out that he is a player with limitations and that he needed other quality players around him to make him play well, i found this shocking as you already put his performance as 'god status' yet he is a player that you regard as average because of his flaws that YOU mention. I also asked you if you criticize him after a bad game - you have yet to answer? Lastly i stated that little word CONSISTENCY as if he has it his game then all the detractors would get off his back - including me.

You then state this,

find a damn post where I have given mikel "a god like status"... normally i totally stay away from the mikel thread due to its absolute ridiculousness but the amount of crap written about mikel over the past 2 matches made me comment. if u dont believe it, have a long read of this thread. so I AM NO HYPOCRITE.

so by your account i am to believe that team compostion would and should have no affect on a player's performance.

Members posts over 2 match's made you get involved so much so you call them hypocrites without foundation, as i said most say he is neither good or bad and mostly state he has to instill consistency in his game - hardly critical, now who specifically are you calling a hypocrite? Again you get this bit wrong by referring that you are no hypocrite - i never mentioned anything of the sort? Your last sentence was also wrong for you to state this as you put a different meaning to it, however i will answer that later.

You then said,

if u believe mikel-rambo dont play well together.

but i said

I've read on this forum that Mikel & Rami don't play well together

Another error from you as you can quite clearly see there is a difference, is it not?

i should enlighten u that this is a forum where different people with different thought processes comment on almost everythin about this club and most of those opinions are bound to be conflicting.

I agree with the above but was using this as a point of reference to your previous post and you don't have to enlighten me! The next few posts are neither here nor there but Blue Armour gave you a few names and i can add Torres to those with Bertrand and Ivanovich who have recently come in for some stick, ask yourself why Makelele or Drogba didn't get abused?

Now for your last post, i don't need to bring in anybody posts to back up my points which is what you are trying to substantiate. As i said earlier i will answer the bit about his limitations that YOU stated and what others as well as YOU believe he needs good players around him, I just don't disagree with you on this - i disagree with the whole forum if this is the case, let me explain, what happens when there are no quality players on the pitch to 'look after Mikel'? Well Saturday was a prime example - we lost and Mikel was at fault, when Makelele played we were winning titles, do you think he needed Lampard to hold his hand? Lets take Essien pre injury, do you think he needed shadowing by Maka? Essien was also versatile he played in a number of positions including right back in the CL final, do you think Mikel could do that? Did Ballack need anybody's assistance when he took over the mantle in the double year? He played as a deep lying mid and was exceptional, those who don't believe me go and buy the DVD. My point is if we are going to get back to winning titles and challenging we need players that are consistent and don't need other players to bring out the best in them - he should stand up and be counted. It goes without saying that the reason why we are now struggling to make a CL place let alone challenging for the title is because we have lost some quality players who could be relied upon game after game. Lets not also forget we got knocked out of the CL this year.

As for your conversation with another member, did you reference he was a hypocrite, then later state he needs 'to understand football'? These statements obviously got me vexed, the hypocrite thing was in general but the fact you tell me 'to understand football' is arrogance and makes my blood boil - you have no idea at the level i played at or my understanding or intelligence of the game.

The end of the day Mikel will get criticized until he plays at a high level every week and you your fellow Mikel fans will have to accept that i'm afraid but you also have to recognize that members are not just sledging him for no reason (well most) they have valid reasons and also reservations, it's my belief that Lampard should be given a new contract but many do not, i don't go after them with big stick because there opinions differ to mine - i welcome it, its good to hear a different side to what i am thinking and then provide a decent debate..........

[zolayes 14,489]

only kalou ever produced such violence ... I liked Kalou and I like Mikel ... I fucking hate Scumpool ,,Torres and RUPERT

[Miguelito 459]

If Mikel is a key player, then god fucking help us, we may aswell kiss every future potential trophy good bye.

That's a joke of a comment, he's been a key player through our most successful time in our history, with the most trophies. So that comment makes no sense.

Now I'm not a real pro mikel or against mikel, I'm in the middle. I think he is just amazing at some things he does, and at others he needs to step up. He's been great at times this season and other games no where near good enough.

I don't think our system fits him at all right now, a 4-3-3 would be better and if mourinho comes in the summer I can see him turning in to the player that Jose always wanted him to be. It's weird tho because he was THE best young attacking midfielder but Jose saw something that made him want to be dm and that affect has stuck to him. IF Jose comes I see him fulfilling his potential as a dm.

He lacks some concentration at some points in ridiculous situations and he is sooo slow but one thing I think he does really well is not stop attacks from happening, but preventing them to. I think he does put himself in spots that clogs/blocks passing lanes or spaces where people would run in to.

In the end I see him as someone that needs to improve as he could be oh so good, but I don't see him being replaced

[didierforever 7,349]

Now i will keep this clean and as simple as i can, just answer my questions and don't off on a tangent.

This was part of your first post, which refers to members on this forum are hypocrites because they hadn't at this early stage give Mikel any credit - yes or no? What you have failed to acknowledge is that i actually did!

In the same sentence you refer to anyone bar Mikel had put in that performance then they would of been elevated to god status - yes or no? Now i said that i could not understand why you could refer to this performance as god like status because he was no better than any other player and certainly not as good as Ba or Cech, i then stated that you pointed out that he is a player with limitations and that he needed other quality players around him to make him play well, i found this shocking as you already put his performance as 'god status' yet he is a player that you regard as average because of his flaws that YOU mention. I also asked you if you criticize him after a bad game - you have yet to answer? Lastly i stated that little word CONSISTENCY as if he has it his game then all the detractors would get off his back - including me.

u still have a problem understanding one simple sentence. THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE. in my first post did i say mikel "deserved" the god like status??? for the last time NNNNOOOOOO. he performed well and should have been praised rather than being mocked by the supporters of his own club. but if some1 like lamps/luiz had put such a performance in the mid, people would have made a great fuss. HENCE THE HYPOCRISY. how could u not understand something so simple. its been more than a day since we have been arguing over one sentence i wrote and i am sure u for some reason are so totlly obsessed with it that u have read that statement more no. of times than every1 combined on this forum. (also before u jump down my throat, i would like to say that i love lamps with all my heart but i was angry at the posts in this thread so please dont come after me saying u hate lamps)

Now

Members posts over 2 match's made you get involved so much so you call them hypocrites without foundation, as i said most say he is neither good or bad and mostly state he has to instill consistency in his game - hardly critical, now who specifically are you calling a hypocrite? Again you get this bit wrong by referring that you are no hypocrite - i never mentioned anything of the sort? Your last sentence was also wrong for you to state this as you put a different meaning to it, however i will answer that later.

without foundation??? seriously... have u read what people write about mikel here. kojo, only place to be , backstreet09 and these are just a drop in the ocean of mikel detractors. so NO again. i dint call them hypocrites without foundation because when there fav players has a good match, they have a field day.

also i must tell u that my first post was not meant for u ALONE. i never said "godzola" is a hypocrite and does this or that. it was a general statement and because of your obsessiveness (again) i have had to take names of members which i really really dint want to do.

N

I agree with the above but was using this as a point of reference to your previous post and you don't have to enlighten me! The next few posts are neither here nor there but Blue Armour gave you a few names and i can add Torres to those with Bertrand and Ivanovich who have recently come in for some stick, ask yourself why Makelele or Drogba didn't get abused?

bertand, kalou, meireles - none of these players are/were more than chelsea squad players. we can debate on kalou but the point is his performances were so poor sometimes that he could never really cement his place in the 1st team. could he? mikel is one of our main players and u cant deny it whether u love him or hate him. he has his off days like any player (and way more than we would want from one of our starters). torres bashing is "justified" because of his passion, fight, performance and every bloody thing. as far as iva is concerned, just consider a scenario on which luiz gave away those 2 goals against swansea. imagine the uproar and the ridicule he might have faced and compared to it iva had nothing. people are pin pointing him out because that guy used to be a BEAST but has consistently been performing horrendous since the end of last season. be it getting booked, leaking goals, etc. so u cant compare that to mikel who has one bad game after a couple or more good/decent ones. so for me no one gets as much unfair criticism than mikel on this forum.

N

Now for your last post, i don't need to bring in anybody posts to back up my points which is what you are trying to substantiate. As i said earlier i will answer the bit about his limitations that YOU stated and what others as well as YOU believe he needs good players around him, I just don't disagree with you on this - i disagree with the whole forum if this is the case, let me explain, what happens when there are no quality players on the pitch to 'look after Mikel'? Well Saturday was a prime example - we lost and Mikel was at fault, when Makelele played we were winning titles, do you think he needed Lampard to hold his hand? Lets take Essien pre injury, do you think he needed shadowing by Maka? Essien was also versatile he played in a number of positions including right back in the CL final, do you think Mikel could do that? Did Ballack need anybody's assistance when he took over the mantle in the double year? He played as a deep lying mid and was exceptional, those who don't believe me go and buy the DVD. My point is if we are going to get back to winning titles and challenging we need players that are consistent and don't need other players to bring out the best in them - he should stand up and be counted. It goes without saying that the reason why we are now struggling to make a CL place let alone challenging for the title is because we have lost some quality players who could be relied upon game after game. Lets not also forget we got knocked out of the CL this year.

dude when did i ever compare mikel to MAKELELE or with ESSIEN. i admitted mikel is way off the best of the cdms and even some1 like busquets. i admitted mikel has his shortcomings big time. did i ever say mikel is our future and we dont need to buy a cdm this summer. y r u taking things out of contexts.u r making it sound like i said their would probably be no cdm better than mikel ever. u dont need to tell me or any other person about mikel's shortcomings and where he exactly stands in the grand scheme of things.

but the point is right now till may do we have a better option in deep mid than mikel. the answer is NO. so what should we do? cry like liverpool fans about their glory days and awesome players or give ourselves a chance to redeem this season in any way possible by playing to our strengths. i think every chelsea fan's answer would be the same.

N

As for your conversation with another member, did you reference he was a hypocrite, then later state he needs 'to understand football'? These statements obviously got me vexed, the hypocrite thing was in general but the fact you tell me 'to understand football' is arrogance and makes my blood boil - you have no idea at the level i played at or my understanding or intelligence of the game.

The end of the day Mikel will get criticized until he plays at a high level every week and you your fellow Mikel fans will have to accept that i'm afraid but you also have to recognize that members are not just sledging him for no reason (well most) they have valid reasons and also reservations, it's my belief that Lampard should be given a new contract but many do not, i don't go after them with big stick because there opinions differ to mine - i welcome it, its good to hear a different side to what i am thinking and then provide a decent debate..........

did i reference YOU as a hypocrite? the statement was made generally. if u take every comment this personally on a public forum, u r in for some serious shit. the statement was never meant for u and so it confused and perplexed me as to y u wanted to be so involved. as for the "understand football" is concerned, i dint know it would be such a hot button topic with u.

please dont compare what happens in lamps' threads to what is written in this thread. in lamps' thread people actually debate over the good and bad of any situation. in this thread people's blind hate stops them from giving mikel the credit he is due just 10 minutes after the match. the ridicule, the absolute lack of respect to him and some of the posters' blantant posts does not make mikel thread a very suitable place for a decent debate. like ours.

[Kojo 4,676]

That's a joke of a comment, he's been a key player through our most successful time in our history, with the most trophies. So that comment makes no sense.

Now I'm not a real pro mikel or against mikel, I'm in the middle. I think he is just amazing at some things he does, and at others he needs to step up. He's been great at times this season and other games no where near good enough.

I don't think our system fits him at all right now, a 4-3-3 would be better and if mourinho comes in the summer I can see him turning in to the player that Jose always wanted him to be. It's weird tho because he was THE best young attacking midfielder but Jose saw something that made him want to be dm and that affect has stuck to him. IF Jose comes I see him fulfilling his potential as a dm.

He lacks some concentration at some points in ridiculous situations and he is sooo slow but one thing I think he does really well is not stop attacks from happening, but preventing them to. I think he does put himself in spots that clogs/blocks passing lanes or spaces where people would run in to.

In the end I see him as someone that needs to improve as he could be oh so good, but I don't see him being replaced

Great logic that, so just because he's been around when our team was world class that means he is world class, just because of that top comment I'm not even going to bother reading the rest.

[English Freak 456]

That's a joke of a comment, he's been a key player through our most successful time in our history, with the most trophies. So that comment makes no sense.

Now I'm not a real pro mikel or against mikel, I'm in the middle. I think he is just amazing at some things he does, and at others he needs to step up. He's been great at times this season and other games no where near good enough.

I don't think our system fits him at all right now, a 4-3-3 would be better and if mourinho comes in the summer I can see him turning in to the player that Jose always wanted him to be. It's weird tho because he was THE best young attacking midfielder but Jose saw something that made him want to be dm and that affect has stuck to him. IF Jose comes I see him fulfilling his potential as a dm.

He lacks some concentration at some points in ridiculous situations and he is sooo slow but one thing I think he does really well is not stop attacks from happening, but preventing them to. I think he does put himself in spots that clogs/blocks passing lanes or spaces where people would run in to.

In the end I see him as someone that needs to improve as he could be oh so good, but I don't see him being replaced

It would be interesting to see what Jose does with Mikel.

I don't think he'll fulfil his potential and I doubt he'll be able to be the 'driver' in our midfield...he just doesn't seem assertive enough.

BUT with two quality midfielders alongside him in a 4-3-3, he's a useful player to have.

And anyway, how many clubs would actually sign Mikel? We're kinda stuck with him for the foreseeable future..so we might as well try to get the best out of him..

[BlueLyon 9,359]

In a game where opponent completely commands the game (bayern-juve), even someone like Vidal does little to change anything. He was fighting hard (and put some good shots), but his passing was bad and positioning. Could do little to stop bayern attack.

In such games, someone like Mikel is better option If you ask me. He stays back and marks opponents not to pass through. Its question of debate cuz he cant deliver attacking options like Vidal, but in our case we have other players who attack. Still it would be nice to have some version of fighting DM to rotate with Mikel in some games (specialy against weaker sides where Mikel lacks motivation)...

[communicate 2,703]

In a game where opponent completely commands the game (bayern-juve), even someone like Vidal does little to change anything. He was fighting hard (and put some good shots), but his passing was bad and positioning. Could do little to stop bayern attack.

In such games, someone like Mikel is better option If you ask me. He stays back and marks opponents not to pass through. Its question of debate cuz he cant deliver attacking options like Vidal, but in our case we have other players who attack. Still it would be nice to have some version of fighting DM to rotate with Mikel in some games (specialy against weaker sides where Mikel lacks motivation)...

We have such player in Ramires

[DDA 9,928]

Great logic that, so just because he's been around when our team was world class that means he is world class, just because of that top comment I'm not even going to bother reading the rest.

My feelings exactly. I STOPPED reading straight after I had read the dribble that Mikel has been one of our most important players in the most successful period of our history. He is average at best , end of. People only hail him because he looks like he knows what he is doing in comparison to the other players we play in the DM role. Thats because we don't have any DM players so Mikel looks half decent but in all truth the clown can't tackle and is just pathetic when it comes to shielding a player away from goal.