🇩🇪 Timo Werner

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

30 minutes ago, Hermione said:

I'm pretty sure most said the same thing about Rudiger a couple seasons ago and now everyone loves him and want him to stay. Werner has a future here and shouldn't go, not at least until worse players than him anyways. Lukaku and Ziyech should be the first to go and only after looking at Timo.

Not even close to compare him and Rudi’s situations.

Rudi was actually pretty good under Conte and decent with Sarri, was really only Frank who froze him out. Rudiger had money in the bank so to speak from 2 seasons where he had performed reasonably well. Was Frank who didn’t play him/tried to let him go.

And arguing to keep Werner but let Lukaku go is also so stupid (although aye Rom must go as it looks like his relationship with TT is broken). Like yes Rom is an ill fit (incredibly) but if people are willing to give Werner 3 seasons to prove his worth as a Chelsea player then we might as well give everyone more 3 seasons. No?

I mean the two of them have flattered to deceive and I don’t think we can afford the patience to persevere with mediocre players (look at the Torres situation and what persevering/being unable to move him on did to us). 

Also wasn’t this the season Timo had to really prove himself? And play at a high level consistently? Or is it just keep going to he does it even if it takes another season or two or until his contracts done now?

Get rid before we cannot/whilst we can get some resale value. Ziyech also in that group just now, not done enough.

Edited April 14, 2022 by OneMoSalah

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

I think those who would give him more time is due to his work rate, he gives everything in every game he plays. The same can not be said of Rom. I still think it is time to get value from him. Another bad season and there might be no takers.

[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Not even close to compare him and Rudi’s situations.

Rudi was actually pretty good under Conte and decent with Sarri, was really only Frank who froze him out. Rudiger had money in the bank so to speak from 2 seasons where he had performed reasonably well. Was Frank who didn’t play him/tried to let him go.

And arguing to keep Werner but let Lukaku go is also so stupid (although aye Rom must go as it looks like his relationship with TT is broken). Like yes Rom is an ill fit (incredibly) but if people are willing to give Werner 3 seasons to prove his worth as a Chelsea player then we might as well give everyone more 3 seasons. No?

I mean the two of them have flattered to deceive and I don’t think we can afford the patience to persevere with mediocre players (look at the Torres situation and what persevering/being unable to move him on did to us). 

Also wasn’t this the season Timo had to really prove himself? And play at a high level consistently? Or is it just keep going to he does it even if it takes another season or two or until his contracts done now?

Get rid before we cannot/whilst we can get some resale value. Ziyech also in that group just now, not done enough.

Werner even when he's poor can offer some use stylistically. His pace and movement alone offers an extra dimension to the attack.

Lukaku is offering literally nothing, even in the one aspect even I thought he'd offer (finishing).

[Superblue 6,372]

For now, in my opinion, the last 2 games and performances have got him his place back in the side and let's see if it can be built on.

If he goes and scores a few goals between now and the end of the season I think it does pose questions, especially when Pulisic and Ziyech are equally as inconsistent and streaky with their performances. 

Lukaku over all though definitely has to be addressed first in the summer. 

[Blues11 213]

1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

For now, in my opinion, the last 2 games and performances have got him his place back in the side and let's see if it can be built on.

If he goes and scores a few goals between now and the end of the season I think it does pose questions, especially when Pulisic and Ziyech are equally as inconsistent and streaky with their performances. 

Lukaku over all though definitely has to be addressed first in the summer. 

Between Ziyech, Pulisic, and Werner, we've seen flashes from all of them. None of them are consistent enough.

One week we praise one and eventually mention they should leave next window.

I think they all have flaws and still need to improve.

Ziyech is magic at times on his left foot. He's the best passer when given space and he can curl them in at any moment. To me his main problems are he's too sloppy in possession and can't take players one on one as much as we need him to. Some of the better comparable players like Mahrez, Raphina both drive into their opponents and put more pressure on defenders. He's also 29 so not sure how much better he can improve. 

Pulisic is probably technically the best one out of all three. He can be shifty and take on players when he's playing with confidence. Uses both feet well. His downfall is his strength and inability to hold up the ball at times. He gets pushed over and when there's a defender draped on him, he'll most likely fall and miss the shot or pass. Finishing needs a lot of work. He's the youngest out of the bunch and if he can somehow stay healthy and get stronger he can still help the club. 

Werner is the best fit for Tuchel's current system. The way he presses and his work rate is terrific. He does a lot of the dirty work so other players are more free to succeed. Technically I don't think he's good enough to be elite but can still help from time to time. His movements are stiff and when he faces opposition who pressure him he tends to disappear too much. 

I would do my best to sell Lukaku and one of the three if possible. If I had to pick it would be Ziyech because of his age. We still need an impact player who can take defenders 1 on 1. I also think each one of these players would do better if our midfield was stronger. Only Kovacic is someone who can advance the ball from time to time but his end product isn't very good. Kante isn't as sharp as he once was so turns it over far too often and Jorgi when being pressed is not good enough. 

 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

On 14/04/2022 at 19:41, Tomo said:

Werner even when he's poor can offer some use stylistically. His pace and movement alone offers an extra dimension to the attack.

Lukaku is offering literally nothing, even in the one aspect even I thought he'd offer (finishing).

Still, not entirely convinced its worth persevering with someone who only seems to play alright 2/3 games every so long and ultimately has underwhelmed throughout his spell here.

If we can get someone who can offer similar attributes and provide quality on a consistent basis then Werner is basically all but done here. Okay finding that is perhaps less straightforward than it sounds but even a different profile of player who can offer quality consistently. Depending on the likes of Ziyech, Timo and even Pulisic is very tough to do over the course of a season and you can’t build chemistry in a team by chopping and changing your attack due to poor/unconvincing performances every week. 

I don’t think he will survive here past the summer, or that he deserves the opportunity to either. Lukaku will be gone also. I am confident of this.

[Tomo 21,751]

5 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Still, not entirely convinced its worth persevering with someone who only seems to play alright 2/3 games every so long and ultimately has underwhelmed throughout his spell here.

If there's a genuine upgrade that suits the system then sure, but i don't want us to (like we did last summer) just look at the top line and be like "that's an upgrade" without thinking about how they will fit the set up.

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

First thing we've got to do is, get the new owners in, and give Rudi what he want's.

[Johnnyeye 7,509]

another awful game

[Beigl 1,387]

He is certainly no player to rely on. He might have been better than usual the last few games, but he simply isn´t good enough. He might stay as a squad player, a quite expensive one at that.

[Strike 7,489]

4 minutes ago, Beigl said:

He is certainly no player to rely on. He might have been better than usual the last few games, but he simply isn´t good enough. He might stay as a squad player, a quite expensive one at that.

Think with Pulisic, Ziyech and Werner - the decision depends on who has got bidders.

[Beigl 1,387]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Think with Pulisic, Ziyech and Werner - the decision depends on who has got bidders.

I think Pulisic is actually the most likely to stay. Ziyech might go to Italy, whereas Werner certainly has bids from Germany.

[Superblue 6,372]

Timo getting the partnership started 

[maxlev 54]

9 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Timo getting the partnership started 

Hmm more fans and money from America then for the club. Timo and Pulisic to stay put.

[Blue Armour 4,439]

Shame that his star has fallen so low after the last two years.

If he was still in his peak form from his Red Bull days, we wouldn't have been talking about Lukaku or about signing another attacker.

Edited June 20, 2022 by Blue Armour

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Any word on anyone signing him yet?

I’ve seen his and TT’s comments recently, if he feels unhappy maybe he should go back to Germany, be a big fish in a small pond playing for RB Leipzig again, because I don’t see him fitting at any top clubs either. 

There's been rumours and mumblings of him being unhappy and moaning but really, he has no right to be demanding more playing time based off 75% of his Chelsea career. 
 

cut ties get rid of him

Edited July 21, 2022 by OneMoSalah

[dimmas 131]

the way tuchel give comment about him recently, just like seeing someone give some faith to mediocre player 🙄

"You should be one of the happiest person and fight for your position here bla bla"

Meanwhile everyone can see from this last 2 years, he lacks something crucial to become top player.
He seems still would struggle to give consistent performance especially with how this team setup.
He just average player at the best

Edited July 22, 2022 by dimmas

[James 5,322]

😂😂😂

 

[Last Sicarius 610]

What he is doing in this match? Even knowing he is shit that match is embarrassing. We need to get rid of him

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

We can't go into the season with him leading the line.

 

Europa league quality up front....at best.