Super Frank Thread

[Azul 1,615]

 
Well, based on what we've seen during the past several years at Chelsea its unlikely you will see that. Only this week have we even seen press stating that his position is under threat.
Regardless, I still think they are close to that point. Loss to Leicester will be the tipping point IMO, unless there is an upset against Fulham before that.

The media didn't predict what happened to Conte, Ancelotti etc. I don't think Roman cares about what the press think. Looking at our results and the amount we've spent I'm extremely surprised that we haven't seen Lamps sacked. It's worrying if he doesn't get sacked after this result.

[Laylabelle 9,393]

32 minutes ago, Jason said:

I really don't get why Lampard should be given 1 more league match to see if he can turn things around. The doubts, the issues aren't going to just go away even if we win at Fulham. They are far bigger than the results right now. If Roman really wants to sack him, then he should just do so now.

Exactly and after Fulham its Leicester...Wolves..Burnley.. Spurs. So even if win against Fulham can't see many points gained after.

[Blue Armour 4,317]

30 minutes ago, Azul said:

3 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

 
Well, based on what we've seen during the past several years at Chelsea its unlikely you will see that. Only this week have we even seen press stating that his position is under threat.
Regardless, I still think they are close to that point. Loss to Leicester will be the tipping point IMO, unless there is an upset against Fulham before that.

The media didn't predict what happened to Conte, Ancelotti etc. I don't think Roman cares about what the press think. Looking at our results and the amount we've spent I'm extremely surprised that we haven't seen Lamps sacked. It's worrying if he doesn't get sacked after this result.

Don't think the media can ever truly predict when something's going to give, but there's usually a lot of noise coming out of the Chelsea camp prior to that, via the press.

Its taken 4 defeats including one at Stamford Bridge for something to come out. 

I'm not disagreeing with you about the fact that its only a matter of time, but I doubt that it will be anytime this week.

[NikkiCFC 8,061]

What's sad is that he will be gone and he will not even try some very logical things like Ziyech as number 8 or Werner in 442 system. 

[Blue Armour 4,317]

This sucks really., and honestly can't wrap my mind around this...its been hours since the match and its a been long streak of poor results, but its STILL difficult to accept that things have come to a boiling point and just move on.

Its a heart versus head matter.. All the signs are pointing to an inevitable conclusion, and what is likely better for the club, but its a tragedy that its come to this stage. A club legend, OUR club legend ending up in this situation. A lot of rival fans mocked us when he was first appointed, saying that it would end in tears, and it looks like they are getting what they wanted.

I feel like I need to give myself a break from all Chelsea related news for a few weeks. In the end, no matter what happens to Lampard, his legacy as a player here will remain untouched.

[Jase 43,479]

Fair point this...

 

[Strike 7,265]

6 hours ago, Jason said:

I really don't get why Lampard should be given 1 more league match to see if he can turn things around. The doubts, the issues aren't going to just go away even if we win at Fulham. They are far bigger than the results right now. If Roman really wants to sack him, then he should just do so now.

Time to find a replacement.

[Jase 43,479]

There's the story from The Athletic yesterday about Lampard being on the brink and then there's this from Matt Law...

It's really amazing the kind of "support" a manager can get when he's English...

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Time to find a replacement.

Personally, I think the club will give him a bit more time, for better or for worse. 

[Blue Armour 4,317]

Just now, Jason said:

There's the story from The Athletic yesterday about Lampard being on the brink and then there's this from Matt Law...

It's really amazing the kind of "support" a manager can get when he's English...

Well...at the very least, he will be managing at least until the Fulham game.

Wonder if he will use the interim period to go back to the drawing board and try something new., at least in an attempt to save himself.

He hasn't departed from his 4-3-3 formation and wing play tactics for even one match this December, let alone for a few minutes.

[Blue Armour 4,317]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

Personally, I think the club will give him a bit more time, for better or for worse. 

True, but doesn't mean they won't be keeping an eye out. At least as contingency.

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

This sucks really., and honestly can't wrap my mind around this...its been hours since the match and its a been long streak of poor results, but its STILL difficult to accept that things have come to a boiling point and just move on.

Its a heart versus head matter.. All the signs are pointing to an inevitable conclusion, and what is likely better for the club, but its a tragedy that its come to this stage. A club legend, OUR club legend ending up in this situation. A lot of rival fans mocked us when he was first appointed, saying that it would end in tears, and it looks like they are getting what they wanted.

I feel like I need to give myself a break from all Chelsea related news for a few weeks. In the end, no matter what happens to Lampard, his legacy as a player here will remain untouched.

I don't know if it's the accumulation of years of being shit but there's really not much fun watching us play these days. It's bad enough that we look tactically naive, clueless and like clowns on bad days, but our playing style is not even enjoyable anymore. We have basically turned into an expensive version of Burnley!

[Strike 7,265]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

There's the story from The Athletic yesterday about Lampard being on the brink and then there's this from Matt Law...

It's really amazing the kind of "support" a manager can get when he's English...

Law has a point. Despite the slide, the season is still alive. Lampard can get the next few games to implement changes. Job on the line now. I am very curious who will be on the shortlist of replacements

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Blue Armour said:

True, but doesn't mean they won't be keeping an eye out. At least as contingency.

There are candidates out there. It's just whether Roman, Marina, even Cech want to cut Lampard loose now or risk things becoming worse in the coming games. Am sure it's not lost on them that despite being just 3 points behind the Top 4 now, we have played a game more than Spurs and 2 more than City. We could easily be looking at a Europa League finish if things don't change ASAP. 

[Jase 43,479]

10 minutes ago, Strike said:

Law has a point. Despite the slide, the season is still alive. Lampard can get the next few games to implement changes. Job on the line now. I am very curious who will be on the shortlist of replacements

The season still being alive doesn't mean things are going well under Lampard. It's not as if the recent concerns came about because of the bad run. They are the wider concerns and have been there since Lampard took over and the bad run just reinforced them. We can't be 18 months into Lampard's tenure and after spending more than 200 million+ last summer, be worse than last season with no improvement, no identity, no style of play etc. 

The season could be dead if things don't change ASAP and while it's great to qualify for the Champions League knockout stage, I don't get this idea of parading it like it's something to celebrate when it's only the Round of 16 (we're not Arsenal FFS!) and not even quarter finals, semi finals or final. We used to consistently reach the knockout stage 10-15 years ago but we now have someone like Matt Law parading a Round of 16 qualification like it's some sort of success? The standards have really fallen! Based on current form, we'll lose to Atletico and get KOed from the Round of 16 again (so much for my optimism when the draw was made, HA!).

I don't know if Matt Law watches all of our games (he's a Villa fan after all) but fans who watch the team week in week out have a better sense of what's going on. It's like when pundits and journalists thought Willian was great here but he wasn't and it took them until he went to Arsenal to realize it.

[Blue Armour 4,317]

15 minutes ago, Jason said:

There are candidates out there. It's just whether Roman, Marina, even Cech want to cut Lampard loose now or risk things becoming worse in the coming games. Am sure it's not lost on them that despite being just 3 points behind the Top 4 now, we have played a game more than Spurs and 2 more than City. We could easily be looking at a Europa League finish if things don't change ASAP. 

Not sure really. If we're being objective about it, he will have time till Fulham/Leicester to turn it around, but will still be walking a tight rope even if he does. 

I know this administration can be ruthless with managers, but Lampards standing within the club is a little more...unique. 

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Blue Armour said:

Not sure really. If we're being objective about it, he will have time till Fulham/Leicester to turn it around, but will still be walking a tight rope even if he does. 

Based on current form, we could easily lose to Fulham and Leicester (or draw with Fulham and lose to Leicester) and be even further behind the Top 4. Then what? Would that be too late to salvage the league season? We really shouldn't be in this position at all, not after spending the money that we have. 

2 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

I know this administration can be ruthless with managers, but Lampards standing within the club is a little more...unique. 

That's Lampard as a player. We're talking about Lampard the manager here. I know he didn't really want him to begin with but if Roman could sack Di Matteo just months after winning the Champions League and FA Cup, then nothing really can save Lampard if Roman decides to pull the trigger now. Lampard is fortunate to still be in the job when other managers have been sacked for less in the past. 

[Blues11 213]

Does Frank ever make halftime adjustments? We never switch formation or throw different looks at opposing teams during the break. All I ever see him do is call for the two Wingers to swap sides on occasion, like that's really going to throw them off... 

Tactically he just keeps on coming up short and the players are playing with no confidence. I want to see him do well being a legend of the club, but it doesn't look very promising.