Super Frank Thread

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

9 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Whilst I'd agree with the current style and worrying regression in our play, particularly in recent weeks and that will almost certainly end up being his undoing.

However, I still think for the overall development of this group of players, Lampard has actually been an important appointment and hopefully in the long term his time here will be looked at in a better light because of the rebuild he's done within the squad.

The academy players that have been integrated into the squad over the last 18 months will all play a role at the club over the coming years. Some more than others, but it has significantly strengthened the squad and driven down the average age of the team. 

From what has been reported, Lampard has also played a significant role in attracting players here this summer. Forget some of their struggles currently, our summer recruitments I'm sure will prove to be great buys and it appears that Lampard had a big impact being able to improve the level of player that was in our reach this summer.

Could not agree more. Have been saying this for quite a while. Lampard had a massive rebuilding job to do and did so quite well. We might not function as a team very well atm but James, Mount, Chilwell, Pulisic, Abraham have made leaps in improvement under him. He has set a precedent for academy players to work for the badge. No other manager in the roman era has managed to inegrate so many so the guys at the academy now at least know for what they playing.

Also as you say, he did a stellar job at recruiting some amazings talents, albeit we might not all be seeing them as such right now. Our squad is set up for the future brilliantly despite a transfer embargo and just 18 months after being in ruins.

[Laylabelle 9,534]

7 minutes ago, Pizy said:

The only reason I can see Frank surviving a bit longer now is Roman/the board will be looking at what has happened with Arteta and Olé. Both were seemingly on the brink and looking like dead men walking. Now both are flying just weeks later. We were the ones flying when they were both struggling and now it's reversed. They'll probably be telling themselves that  things can change quickly and that maybe they can wait it out.

I think he's got 1 more PL match. Lose against Fulham and he's done.

Maybe. Have to see how they come out the next game. Arsenal against us was bam bam bam from the start..if we just look sluggish again..no chance.

I dont think its helping how far back our slide is pushing us. 3 above Arsenal..potentially 10 from 2nd if they win their game. All very quickly. Though with games to play here there and everywhere its hard to see..either was we're in the crap 

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

12 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

However, I still think for the overall development of this group of players, Lampard has actually been an important appointment and hopefully in the long term his time here will be looked at in a better light because of the rebuild he's done within the squad.

Results are ultimately more important than recruitment. You can recruit well but if you don’t get results it ultimately won’t matter. 

If he was sacked tomorrow and this group went on to be successful in a year or a few years down the line, nobody will remember Lampard’s spell in a better light after spending 200m or whatever and having us sitting 8/9th. Behind Everton. Aston Villa. Leicester. Tottenham. Teams we all finished above last season without 200m of players like Timo Werner, Hakim Ziyech, Ben Chilwell, Thiago Silva, Kai Havertz who are all improvements on what we had last season. The last 18 months of his time here there is no clear style, no identity and ultimately no real progress. Only positives results wise was the 2 purple streaks spanning the 20 games in 2 seasons.

[Blue Armour 4,436]

17 minutes ago, Pizy said:

The only reason I can see Frank surviving a bit longer now is Roman/the board will be looking at what has happened with Arteta and Olé. Both were seemingly on the brink and looking like dead men walking. Now both are flying just weeks later. We were the ones flying when they were both struggling and now it's reversed. They'll probably be telling themselves that  things can change quickly and that maybe they can wait it out.

I think he's got 1 more PL match. Lose against Fulham and he's done.

Even if he wins against Fulham, I think a loss against Leicester will be the end of it.

[Jase 43,479]

18 minutes ago, Pizy said:

The only reason I can see Frank surviving a bit longer now is Roman/the board will be looking at what has happened with Arteta and Olé. Both were seemingly on the brink and looking like dead men walking. Now both are flying just weeks later. We were the ones flying when they were both struggling and now it's reversed. They'll probably be telling themselves that  things can change quickly and that maybe they can wait it out.

I think he's got 1 more PL match. Lose against Fulham and he's done.

OR Roman could just look at his track record and see that things can get better after sacking the manager midway through the season. 

[Jase 43,479]

I really don't get why Lampard should be given 1 more league match to see if he can turn things around. The doubts, the issues aren't going to just go away even if we win at Fulham. They are far bigger than the results right now. If Roman really wants to sack him, then he should just do so now.

[Superblue 6,372]

2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Results are ultimately more important than recruitment. You can recruit well but if you don’t get results it ultimately won’t matter. 

If he was sacked tomorrow and this group went on to be successful in a year or a few years down the line, nobody will remember Lampard’s spell in a better light after spending 200m or whatever and having us sitting 8/9th. Behind Everton. Aston Villa. Leicester. Tottenham. Teams we all finished above last season without 200m of players like Timo Werner, Hakim Ziyech, Ben Chilwell, Thiago Silva, Kai Havertz who are all improvements on what we had last season. The last 18 months of his time here there is no clear style, no identity and ultimately no real progress. Only positives results wise was the 2 purple streaks spanning the 20 games in 2 seasons.

Of course results are more important and that's what ultimately will cost Lampard his job.

But you only have to look at the squad he inherited with a transfer ban, Hazard left, RLC and CHO crocked long term, Kante riddled with injuries, and compare that with the squad we have now. 

Lampard will leave us in a better position with regards to the strength of our squad than what he started with. Thiago Silva aside, there were no short term fixes like a Mourinho or Conte would demand, but instead he brought in or through a younger crop of players for the long term good of the club. He's not likely to be here to bear those fruits but I do think in 2-3 years people will have more appreciation over the job he's done rebuilding a pretty stale and ageing squad who had just lost its talisman.

[Jase 43,479]

ZERO win against the 'Big 6' this season:

L 0-2 Liverpool
D 0-0 Man United
D 0-0 Spurs
L 1-3 Arsenal
L 1-3 Man City

Both goals came after being 3-0 down...

[Pizy 18,850]

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

I really don't get why Lampard should be given 1 more league match to see if he can turn things around. The doubts, the issues aren't going to just go away even if we win at Fulham. They are far bigger than the results right now. If Roman really wants to sack him, then he should just do so now.

Unless Tuchel has already been told to prepare, it may just be a matter of timing. Sack him now and the replacement may not be ready. With the FA Cup match in between the club have a bit of time to sort things out. 

[Azul 1,615]

 
Well, based on what we've seen during the past several years at Chelsea its unlikely you will see that. Only this week have we even seen press stating that his position is under threat.
Regardless, I still think they are close to that point. Loss to Leicester will be the tipping point IMO, unless there is an upset against Fulham before that.

The media didn't predict what happened to Conte, Ancelotti etc. I don't think Roman cares about what the press think. Looking at our results and the amount we've spent I'm extremely surprised that we haven't seen Lamps sacked. It's worrying if he doesn't get sacked after this result.

[Laylabelle 9,534]

32 minutes ago, Jason said:

I really don't get why Lampard should be given 1 more league match to see if he can turn things around. The doubts, the issues aren't going to just go away even if we win at Fulham. They are far bigger than the results right now. If Roman really wants to sack him, then he should just do so now.

Exactly and after Fulham its Leicester...Wolves..Burnley.. Spurs. So even if win against Fulham can't see many points gained after.

[Blue Armour 4,436]

30 minutes ago, Azul said:

3 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

 
Well, based on what we've seen during the past several years at Chelsea its unlikely you will see that. Only this week have we even seen press stating that his position is under threat.
Regardless, I still think they are close to that point. Loss to Leicester will be the tipping point IMO, unless there is an upset against Fulham before that.

The media didn't predict what happened to Conte, Ancelotti etc. I don't think Roman cares about what the press think. Looking at our results and the amount we've spent I'm extremely surprised that we haven't seen Lamps sacked. It's worrying if he doesn't get sacked after this result.

Don't think the media can ever truly predict when something's going to give, but there's usually a lot of noise coming out of the Chelsea camp prior to that, via the press.

Its taken 4 defeats including one at Stamford Bridge for something to come out. 

I'm not disagreeing with you about the fact that its only a matter of time, but I doubt that it will be anytime this week.

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

What's sad is that he will be gone and he will not even try some very logical things like Ziyech as number 8 or Werner in 442 system. 

[Blue Armour 4,436]

This sucks really., and honestly can't wrap my mind around this...its been hours since the match and its a been long streak of poor results, but its STILL difficult to accept that things have come to a boiling point and just move on.

Its a heart versus head matter.. All the signs are pointing to an inevitable conclusion, and what is likely better for the club, but its a tragedy that its come to this stage. A club legend, OUR club legend ending up in this situation. A lot of rival fans mocked us when he was first appointed, saying that it would end in tears, and it looks like they are getting what they wanted.

I feel like I need to give myself a break from all Chelsea related news for a few weeks. In the end, no matter what happens to Lampard, his legacy as a player here will remain untouched.

[Jase 43,479]

Fair point this...