Super Frank Thread

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

One point that I think is rarely mentioned is that whether Lampard has surrounded himself with the right coaching staff. Jody Morris, Joe Edwards etc are good at what they do but they are still inexperienced at the highest level and that coupled with Lampard's own inexperience feels like a recipe for disaster, and they all feel like his people. There's no one experienced to maybe provide some sort of guidance or advice in these tough period. 

Still surprised Jody Morris didnt go for a manager's job himself after his experience with the youth teams here. Thought we would of seen him go and become a manager or headcoach before Frank a few years ago if Im honest.

[ZaynChelsea 423]

19 minutes ago, Jason said:

One point that I think is rarely mentioned is that whether Lampard has surrounded himself with the right coaching staff. Jody Morris, Joe Edwards etc are good at what they do but they are still inexperienced at the highest level and that coupled with Lampard's own inexperience feels like a recipe for disaster, and they all feel like his people. There's no one experienced to maybe provide some sort of guidance or advice in these tough period. 

If he is not able to coach this team properly without someone experienced in his staff we can change the head coach anyway and bring in someone who knows what he is doing.

Klopp got rid off Buvac - his long-time partner and no regression happened.

Mourinho switched to Sacramento as Assistant and it didn't influence him.

 

So why does Frank need to have someone in his staff that is experienced and holds his hand? 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

Watching the fire, passion and fight of Simeone last night really showed me what we are missing. Its like he was playing himself, constantly shouting and guiding his players, making sure they give their all, Lamps looks like hes waiting on a bus in comparison. THey were so organized and the game plan was evident from the get go. MAn how I miss us being like that.

[Laylabelle 9,534]

14 hours ago, Mana said:

We won't be 4th anymore if we lose on Saturday. That is 100% guaranteed.

I expect to be 7th come the end of the weekend.

[Laylabelle 9,534]

14 hours ago, Mana said:

We won't be 4th anymore if we lose on Saturday. That is 100% guaranteed.

Yep I expect to be 7th come the end of the weekend and be surprised if we turn it around after that.

[Laylabelle 9,534]

Woops double post

[communicate 2,703]

13 hours ago, Mana said:

Correction: Cavani is the only big name target we could've brought in.

Lampard had a list of players that he wanted. He gotten zilch this window.

Top 4 is very important for Chelsea FC. We lose a ton of money we need for the summer by not being in it. There is no "long run" if we are failing to repair the present.

Lampard being in the last 16 of the CL gave us more money than Sarri winning the EL.

So bringing in a short term player, that boosts our chances to get top 4 is well all and fine by me then not getting anybody in and watch this team fail.

Give me a name of a player who moved in last January window that will help us. 

[Tomo 21,751]

18 hours ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Oh come on if you can't dominate territory against ten men then you're all kinds of shit. Having possession of the ball means fuck all if we lose out to champions league by two points it will be little comfort saying oh well at least we dominated possession against Arsenal. We should have slaughtered them bottom line is we didn't.

We dominated before we went down to ten aswell.

Ofcourse in terms of the match result it's meaningless but you can always look at game situations win, draw or lose and see potential signs going forward. For example in reverse, the 2015 title season, it was great to win the league but it was obvious to anyone with a set of eyes (or not in denial) we were close to big big trouble, and so it proved.

18 hours ago, Jason said:

I know we have had our struggles against the smaller teams this season but adding Burnley in there seems rather generous. We dominated Arsenal because they played over an hour with 10 men and even then, I hardly recalled seeing us create much from open play or Leno had to make spectacular saves. It also got all rather desperate in the end when Lampard had to throw Batshuayi in late on and not to mention, both of our goals came from set pieces (which seems to be the only way we're ever gonna score these days). 

That leaves only Spurs and Arsenal away for me. And as much as there's some good things seen during this bad run, there's also the bad things seen in this period. As games go by, the negatives are outweighing the positives and that's not a good thing.

Well considering Burnley went on to beat Leicester and United after that (not to mention only lose 1 in 4 at The Bridge under Dyche before that game) I would say it was a pretty good result and performance. The James and Callum combination especially was a really exciting part of that match.

Regarding Arsenal, look back at a post of mine around the end of January and I've sent a video link of Hudson Odoi alone creating about 4 good chances and that didn't even include his assist.

[ZaynChelsea 423]

2 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Watching the fire, passion and fight of Simeone last night really showed me what we are missing. Its like he was playing himself, constantly shouting and guiding his players, making sure they give their all, Lamps looks like hes waiting on a bus in comparison. THey were so organized and the game plan was evident from the get go. MAn how I miss us being like that.

He is like the young, successful Mourinho.

But ofc Lamps is a Chelsea legend and therefore, we have to be patient. A Chelsea legend that fucked off to Man City. Something Drogba or Terry would have never done.

[Jase 43,479]

37 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Well considering Burnley went on to beat Leicester and United after that (not to mention only lose 1 in 4 at The Bridge under Dyche before that game) I would say it was a pretty good result and performance. The James and Callum combination especially was a really exciting part of that match.

If Burnley had gone on to lose to United and Leicester, would you be saying this? Don't want to sound like I take things for granted but it was Burnley. A good performance and result should have been expected. They had lost 6 of their 8 league games prior to that game. Never mind the big teams, if it was Wolves, Sheffield United or Leicester, I would agree with you. But it was Burnley and it's clutching at straws to even mention it.

37 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Regarding Arsenal, look back at a post of mine around the end of January and I've sent a video link of Hudson Odoi alone creating about 4 good chances and that didn't even include his assist.

So, one player who created 4 good chances is considered okay against 10 men for over an hour? I remember CHO did well in the first half but then faded away in the second. 

[Superblue 6,372]

18 minutes ago, ZaynChelsea said:

He is like the young, successful Mourinho.

But ofc Lamps is a Chelsea legend and therefore, we have to be patient. A Chelsea legend that fucked off to Man City. Something Drogba or Terry would have never done.

Somebody who was told he was no longer needed by the club. If I was in his shoes and a club the size of Man City came in and said they wanted me for a season I'd do the same thing.

If people can't look past one season that Lampard had at the age of 37 (and also had no impact on City winning trophies because we won the League and League Cup double that season), in comparison to the years of service he gave this club for the peak of his career and more then I find it embarrassing to be honest.

Cech went to Arsenal, Mata to United, Cudicini and Poyet to Spurs, and so on. All discarded because they were no longer first choice but gave great service to the club. Do you think the same about them too?

Although Monday night you were begging for Batshuayi's legs to be broken so he never played for Chelsea again, so maybe I shouldn't be expecting anything less?!

[chippy 342]

15 hours ago, Vesper said:

tell that to Liverpool tonight, lololol

the scouser scum fucksticks had ZERO shots on target

a team finally manned up and beat on the uber fraud Henderson and he was pure dogshit

I have to so laugh when (insert some marginal ex English EPL or first division player presenter who is a typical rah rah jingoistic bellend) says he is close to best CMF in the world

close to the biggest twat, yes

All Someone has in his tactical locker is to suffocate teams, knick a goal a defend it. You know as well as I do that will only take you so far in the EPL.

We'd become the new Arsenal getting 4th place every year, but playing mind rotting football along the way. 

I remember watching a CL game at Athletico when we were managed by Jose.  Not just the most boring game I'd ever seen but the most boring hour of sport I'd see. I was in a pub and after an hour I stopped watching a had a game of Pool instead and I don't even like playing Pool.

Imho, managers like Simeone and Jose are just bad for top level football.

 

[ZaynChelsea 423]

10 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Somebody who was told he was no longer needed by the club. If I was in his shoes and a club the size of Man City came in and said they wanted me for a season I'd do the same thing.

If people can't look past one season that Lampard had at the age of 37 (and also had no impact on City winning trophies because we won the League and League Cup double that season), in comparison to the years of service he gave this club for the peak of his career and more then I find it embarrassing to be honest.

Cech went to Arsenal, Mata to United, Cudicini and Poyet to Spurs, and so on. All discarded because they were no longer first choice but gave great service to the club. Do you think the same about them too?

Although Monday night you were begging for Batshuayi's legs to be broken so he never played for Chelsea again, so maybe I shouldn't be expecting anything less?!

Cech: He tarnished his status imo

Mata: He was never a Chels legend like Drogba or Terry

Cudicini  & Poyet: irrelevant

Batshuayi: An injury would be in Chelsea's best interest

 

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

19 hours ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Oh come on if you can't dominate territory against ten men then you're all kinds of shit. Having possession of the ball means fuck all if we lose out to champions league by two points it will be little comfort saying oh well at least we dominated possession against Arsenal. We should have slaughtered them bottom line is we didn't.

We dominated before we went down to ten aswell.

Ofcourse in terms of the match result it's meaningless but you can always look at game situations win, draw or lose and see potential signs going forward. For example in reverse, the 2015 title season, it was great to win the league but it was obvious to anyone with a set of eyes (or not in denial) we were close to big big trouble, and so it proved.

I'll give you your due son you're definitely a half glass full person but it's the oldest cliche in the book it's a results business and saying we dominated against Arsenal is irrelevant if you don't win the game. Liverpool dominated possession last night, that game in 2015 when we beat Man United 1-0 at the Bridge and had only 26% possession that was and still is Mourinho's raison d' etre. If we have 80% of the ball and lose on Saturday I can't imagine anyone is going to say I'm devastated about the result but on the plus side I'm thrilled about our ball possession.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

19 minutes ago, ZaynChelsea said:

Cech: He tarnished his status imo

Mata: He was never a Chels legend like Drogba or Terry

Cudicini  & Poyet: irrelevant

Batshuayi: An injury would be in Chelsea's best interest

 

You want one of our players to get injured what a fucking prick.