Chelsea banned for TWO transfer windows

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

8 hours ago, Laylabelle said:

Still stupid we're in this situation again! We had warnings before and got away with it.. 

This situation is exactly why I have never believed, right from the time the German leaks first emerged, that we'd be banned. I simply never believed, and still don't, that we could be so stupid as to repeat our dodgy methods. Perhaps this is pure wishful thinking on my part, but it fits with reports of the delayed written response from FIFA. Fits in the sense that the governing body knows what we did, is desperate to see us punished, but can't find a form of words which, legally speaking, overcome the cover stories we put in place to shelter our recruitment activities.

[Superblue 6,372]

4 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

This situation is exactly why I have never believed, right from the time the German leaks first emerged, that we'd be banned. I simply never believed, and still don't, that we could be so stupid as to repeat our dodgy methods. Perhaps this is pure wishful thinking on my part, but it fits with reports of the delayed written response from FIFA. Fits in the sense that the governing body knows what we did, is desperate to see us punished, but can't find a form of words which, legally speaking, overcome the cover stories we put in place to shelter our recruitment activities.

The FA being punished within this is an interesting sidenote and suggests that any wrongdoings may be as a result of mis-advising from them. Given their standing as a governing body, if they've made a cock up it would surely give reasonable grounds as an argument but would also suggest if this ban is upheld we're likely not the only team in England who will fall foul.

[Vesper 30,224]

6 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

The last I read about the CAS situation is that the reason we had not yet made an appeal is that we had not yet received fifa's written decision regarding our appeal to them. Has that claim been debunked, or moved on in some other way?

The idea that, "we are going to take the ban, and hope they can get it reduced", makes no sense to me. If FIFA have already confirmed in writing that they have rejected our explanations, and if we are not going to CAS, then where is this reduction coming from? If anything, the notion that we're hoping the ban will be reduced fits better with the claim that we have not yet had fifa's final, written, notification.

We got the written notice on May 8th. Had 21 days to appeal to CAS. That has come and gone. Looks to me like the bans are not going to be frozen. I have no clue how we would even get the January 2020 window restored.

I also think, that due to the new shit coming out (once again via Football Leaks), that my pet theory (CAS can INCREASE punishments as well as reduce them on appeal) may have come into play and we got a case of the nervous nellies. Just a hunch. It isn't like I am infallible. I am only making educated guesses along with us all. The only thing on my side is that I was right about the bans and then really right about that Swedish twat Bodström putting the old bovver boots to us on appeal.

Beyond that I am as clueless as most atm.

[coolhead23 1,147]

We all were wondering that FIFA is going to take it's own sweet time to rejected because that is the only way it goes to CAS where we have a chance to push the ban. But FIFA has been prompt in rejecting the second time while we are still day dreaming which says that we arent being serious about pushing the ban. Our strategy is not aggressive which highlights the fact that there is total chaos within the administration. We arent sure if Sarri is staying or not, Hazard is still not done, new stadium or not, youth or established, just like ban or no ban

[Laylabelle 9,536]

8 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

This situation is exactly why I have never believed, right from the time the German leaks first emerged, that we'd be banned. I simply never believed, and still don't, that we could be so stupid as to repeat our dodgy methods. Perhaps this is pure wishful thinking on my part, but it fits with reports of the delayed written response from FIFA. Fits in the sense that the governing body knows what we did, is desperate to see us punished, but can't find a form of words which, legally speaking, overcome the cover stories we put in place to shelter our recruitment activities.

I believed we would purely because we were warned before. I just don't get why someone would repeat such a thing and expect no back lash! 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

20 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

The FA being punished within this is an interesting sidenote and suggests that any wrongdoings may be as a result of mis-advising from them. Given their standing as a governing body, if they've made a cock up it would surely give reasonable grounds as an argument but would also suggest if this ban is upheld we're likely not the only team in England who will fall foul.

Since both club and association have been convicted, fifa's regulations obviously treat both as separately liable. It's still true though that if The FA had interpreted the regulations as FIFA think they should have, and rejected the registrations in the first place, things would not have come to this.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

On 03/06/2019 at 9:32 AM, Vesper said:

We got the written notice on May 8th. Had 21 days to appeal to CAS. That has come and gone. Looks to me like the bans are not going to be frozen. I have no clue how we would even get the January 2020 window restored.

I also think, that due to the new shit coming out (once again via Football Leaks), that my pet theory (CAS can INCREASE punishments as well as reduce them on appeal) may have come into play and we got a case of the nervous nellies. Just a hunch. It isn't like I am infallible. I am only making educated guesses along with us all. The only thing on my side is that I was right about the bans and then really right about that Swedish twat Bodström putting the old bovver boots to us on appeal.

Beyond that I am as clueless as most atm.

Thanks Vesper.

I'd have thought that if these facts were well known, media outlets would be making definitive statements about the situation. As it is, we are still reading hedged comments pending a final resolution. As recently as this morning, there is a new article on WAGNH talking about "if" the ban is upheld. I confess that I don't recognise the author as one of their regulars, but WAGNH are usually pretty rigourous when it comes to factual statements penned by their writers. (As opposed to fan posts.)

In an earlier comment you referenced a tweet from sports lawyer, and Chelsea fan, Jake Cohen. In that tweet he afirmed that the deadline for an appeal to CAS falls twenty-one days after the reasons for the decision, as opposed to simply the decision itself, are confirmed in writing by fifa. Jake is always diligent about the accuracy of his output so I give credence to his further tweet that this written confirmation usually follows "quite a bit" after the initial notification of fifa's decision. I grant that 'usually' does not mean 'always', but it's not unreasonable to assume that the usual process was followed. If so, that would mean the written reasons were not sent on the same day the decision was notified. (8th May.) CFC may therefore still have time to go to CAS, or might yet be waiting for the written grounds. Certainly this would explain why, as late as 29th May, the club was reportedly maintaining its stance that it would appeal.

The upshot of all of this? I'm confused.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

21 hours ago, Vesper said:

We got the written notice on May 8th. Had 21 days to appeal to CAS. That has come and gone. Looks to me like the bans are not going to be frozen. I have no clue how we would even get the January 2020 window restored.

I also think, that due to the new shit coming out (once again via Football Leaks), that my pet theory (CAS can INCREASE punishments as well as reduce them on appeal) may have come into play and we got a case of the nervous nellies. Just a hunch. It isn't like I am infallible. I am only making educated guesses along with us all. The only thing on my side is that I was right about the bans and then really right about that Swedish twat Bodström putting the old bovver boots to us on appeal.

Beyond that I am as clueless as most atm.

P.S.

I've looked at the timelines of the similar cases involving the big three Spanish clubs. The gaps between fifa notifying their decision on each club's appeal and then sending the written reasons for that decision were; Barcelona 44 days, Real 153 days, Atletico 153 days. The two Madrid clubs then filed their appeals to CAS 10 days later, while Barca took 26 days. (Perhaps the regulation has changed since 2016, or perhaps it is 21 'working' days.)

It would be a significant change to  fifa's M.O. if they posted the grounds for rejecting our appeal on the same day as they published the decision itself.

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

So how are we lining up next season? 

Giroud

Pulisic------------Pedro

Kovacic----Kante

Jorginho

Emerson---Luiz---Ruidger---Dave

Kepa 

[Vesper 30,224]

12 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

P.S.

I've looked at the timelines of the similar cases involving the big three Spanish clubs. The gaps between fifa notifying their decision on each club's appeal and then sending the written reasons for that decision were; Barcelona 44 days, Real 153 days, Atletico 153 days. The two Madrid clubs then filed their appeals to CAS 10 days later, while Barca took 26 days. (Perhaps the regulation has changed since 2016, or perhaps it is 21 'working' days.)

It would be a significant change to  fifa's M.O. if they posted the grounds for rejecting our appeal on the same day as they published the decision itself.

This said we did get the written reasons

https://www.goal.com/en/news/chelsea-face-race-against-time-to-meet-deadline-for-cas-transfer-/unms075y80kh1t5q88tmi68o3

That decision was made on May 8, with FIFA providing written reasons for their decisions immediately, which in turn gave Chelsea a 21-day deadline to lodge their appeal to CAS.

That three-week deadline passes on May 29 - coincidentally the same date as when Maurizio Sarri's side face Arsenal in the Europa League final in Baku - but they have yet to present their case to those in Lausanne despite vowing to in the immediate aftermath of FIFA's ruling.

snip

Let's say that above is wrong, we did not get the written reasons, but even if we get a written letter of explanation from FIFA sometime this week and appeal to CAS by next Monday (the 10th), I highly doubt they will freeze the bans in time for this window, as the window closes in less than 2 months from Monday. The freeze is not automatic at all.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

5 hours ago, Vesper said:

This said we did get the written reasons

https://www.goal.com/en/news/chelsea-face-race-against-time-to-meet-deadline-for-cas-transfer-/unms075y80kh1t5q88tmi68o3

That decision was made on May 8, with FIFA providing written reasons for their decisions immediately, which in turn gave Chelsea a 21-day deadline to lodge their appeal to CAS.

That three-week deadline passes on May 29 - coincidentally the same date as when Maurizio Sarri's side face Arsenal in the Europa League final in Baku - but they have yet to present their case to those in Lausanne despite vowing to in the immediate aftermath of FIFA's ruling.

snip

Let's say that above is wrong, we did not get the written reasons, but even if we get a written letter of explanation from FIFA sometime this week and appeal to CAS by next Monday (the 10th), I highly doubt they will freeze the bans in time for this window, as the window closes in less than 2 months from Monday. The freeze is not automatic at all.

Thanks again Vesper.

That Goal.com statement certainly has logic on its side. Given fifa's refusal to suspend the ban, it would make sense for them to provide the written reasons immediately. Otherwise they run the risk of imposing a ban which is later overturned and therefore opens the governing body to possible compensation claims. On the other hand there has been no acknowledgement from either side that the grounds have been confirmed. I'd have thought fifa at least would be transparent about that.

So, if the deadline for involving CAS has passed without the appeal being made, that leaves Chelsea in a very dishonest position. Just come clean folks, and get on to dealing with the mess.

[Vesper 30,224]

9 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Thanks again Vesper.

That Goal.com statement certainly has logic on its side. Given fifa's refusal to suspend the ban, it would make sense for them to provide the written reasons immediately. Otherwise they run the risk of imposing a ban which is later overturned and therefore opens the governing body to possible compensation claims. On the other hand there has been no acknowledgement from either side that the grounds have been confirmed. I'd have thought fifa at least would be transparent about that.

So, if the deadline for involving CAS has passed without the appeal being made, that leaves Chelsea in a very dishonest position. Just come clean folks, and get on to dealing with the mess.

Mentally I LONG ago (months ago) gave up almost all hope for a summer 2019 window, as well as a January 2020 one. The charges were too well documented and serious. I think at this point, unless we have been doing a TONNE of crazy work pure on spec (meaning purely on the chance we did it the bans frozen) that a summer 2019 window, if we only were given 2 to 3 or 4 weeks, would be disastrous.

The board is horrid to begin with, and if they just are tossed in with a month or less to nail down a complete rebuild (we do not even know the new manager, so NO clue what style they will want-!) it will explode in our face, and we will then have to wait until summer 2021 (!!!) to sort it, as there is no way the bans , even if frozen, are going away (and like I have said many times before, CAS can INCREASE the length)

It is better to just stand up and take the spanking now, then plan for a monster overhaul in Summer 2020.

In regards to Hazard, IF RM is actually offering 120m euros (almost £107m) and we do not take it, I am going to lose my mind, UNLESS we are secretly planning to keep him and let him go on a free, BUT that will blow up in our face I fear,,as Eden may pack it in all of next year. It will be crazy drama. Huge gamble, and it will fuck up our ability to buy players in summer 2020. I do not think we can squeeze another 25, 30m euros out of RM, not with Hazard on contract that runs out in a year. Also, many of our assets to sell will all be worth less in summer 2020, due to truly advanced (and in some cases near advanced) age (Luiz, Azpi, Alonso (almost 30 then, as will be Moses) Giroud, Willian, Pedro, Drinkwater (over 30 then), hell even Kante turns 30 during the 2020/21 season).

Starting with the Cuntois cock-up, and now Eden, plus all the other non sales, we are going to end up with well over £200m, and probably closer to £300m in lost potential revenue versus timely and smart sales. That is not even counting the poor, poor buys/loans of the last several summers (Baba, Kenedy, Falcao, Hector, Miazga, Bats, Bakayoko, Drinkwater (£70m fuck up alone!) Morata, Morata, Zappacosta, Higuain)

 

SMDH

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Pizy 18,952]

That sounds like bullshit. Why were other clubs able to get a stay but not us?

It's so maddening that the club haven't updated us on this situation. Are they just going to spring it on us at the last minute?

[Atomiswave 6,118]

21 minutes ago, Pizy said:

That sounds like bullshit. Why were other clubs able to get a stay but not us?

It's so maddening that the club haven't updated us on this situation. Are they just going to spring it on us at the last minute?

Yes they are.....just like their transfers.

[the wes 7,212]

Chelsea could be forced to start transfer ban this summer to avoid three-window punishment

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/05/chelsea-could-forced-start-transfer-ban-summer-fears-will-increased/

Just take the ban on the chin like Anthony Joshua fuck FIFA 

[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, the wes said:

Chelsea could be forced to start transfer ban this summer to avoid three-window punishment

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/05/chelsea-could-forced-start-transfer-ban-summer-fears-will-increased/

Just take the ban on the chin like Anthony Joshua fuck FIFA 

The only worry I have is up front and who is going to replace (and the aim would be to improve on) the goals that Hazard brought to the team. I could cope for a season with every other position (even left back) but that one worries me. Not to forget also that one player who could have shouldered some of the goal scoring burden in RLC is out long term too. We are relying on Giroud who if he played regularly in the league would probably score 10-12 goals in all likelihood - will that be enough? Or we're relying on either Bats or Tammy to come back and blow up which from what I've seen would be unlikely and we'd be hugely fortunate if it did.

On the flip side I don't see an awful lot of options we could go for up front on the market currently. Add to this so many other teams looking to spend big potentially in the market this summer to rebuild and we may be in a better position just to stand our ground and look to rebuild next summer when hopefully less big teams are as active. That's not just up top but in other areas of our team that need addressing also.

 

[Styl1994 188]

1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

The only worry I have is up front and who is going to replace (and the aim would be to improve on) the goals that Hazard brought to the team. I could cope for a season with every other position (even left back) but that one worries me. Not to forget also that one player who could have shouldered some of the goal scoring burden in RLC is out long term too. We are relying on Giroud who if he played regularly in the league would probably score 10-12 goals in all likelihood - will that be enough? Or we're relying on either Bats or Tammy to come back and blow up which from what I've seen would be unlikely and we'd be hugely fortunate if it did.

On the flip side I don't see an awful lot of options we could go for up front on the market currently. Add to this so many other teams looking to spend big potentially in the market this summer to rebuild and we may be in a better position just to stand our ground and look to rebuild next summer when hopefully less big teams are as active. That's not just up top but in other areas of our team that need addressing also.

 

Problem is will the talent be available once everyone has had their pick this summer?

[Superblue 6,372]

21 minutes ago, Styl1994 said:

Problem is will the talent be available once everyone has had their pick this summer?

There's always new players having breakthrough years, continuing their development, etc - hopefully we'll be looking back at this next summer with a couple of our own!

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

22 hours ago, Vesper said:

Mentally I LONG ago (months ago) gave up almost all hope for a summer 2019 window, as well as a January 2020 one

This is my problem. I didn't manage to get past denial months ago, and I still haven't if I'm honest. I still cling to the belief that I've had since day one. Namely that there will be no ban.

If you thought I was confused before, imagine what happens when you throw in the Telegraphs's claim that the appeal has gone to CAS minus a suspension request? I could give a long list of speculations and questions about that, but I'll limit myself to just this:-

If not asking CAS for a suspension is tactical then, fine, I can see that. Otherwise, what makes us so confident that we can't do any useful business this summer when several good solutions appear still to be up for grabs?