OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, It's too big said: The thing is, managers very often never go more than 2-3 years, so it doesn't matter who we bring in, their ideas will likely grow tiresome after that time span and we'll need to bring in a new manager. It isn't so much the manager, but Roman needs to decide what kind of football he wants and find a successful coach who can implement that style. After that manager leaves, we can focus on bringing in another coach with a similar mindset who can work with the players we buy. We would need to buy more technically proficient players too, which is welcomed highly by me. 100% but even then the club has to compete financially with the bigger clubs again in order to really progress, regardless of the coach or style. The transfer markets so inflated now a days 40m gets you Bakayoko, 5 years ago 40m got you Ozil or Sanchez etc so we cannot afford to dilly dally about penny pinching for the more established players if they are what we need or the coach wants. I generally hope Conte gets another summer and season to try and fix the problems we have and try another title challenge because he has shown that he can build a team like he did at Juventus. More technically proficient players would be a bonus as well, although Id still like to see us get another one or two bigger athletic players who have a pretty good technical skill set as well, Matic's been a huge loss and today showed that big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,906 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Much as I love Conte and wish he could stay for a few more years and build something, I think it's pretty clear that he'll see out the season and then walk. He's got far too much professional pride to just give up now, but it's clear there's something missing that he had last season. Gives off the impression that he's just waiting for it all to be over with so he can go to a club that suits his methods more. Really sucks because I don't trust the club to appoint the right man to replace him. It'll probably be the clubs biggest transfer window in years and the favorite to come in is the unproven Luis Enrique. Hazard ain't sticking around and wasting another of his prime years playing in the Europa League. So imagine a new managers task of taking over for yet another rebuild without our best player while doing so when the other top clubs are getting stronger and stronger. I truly fear for us. 11Drogba and bigbluewillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Oy vey, Bring back Uncle Avram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said: Oy vey, Bring back Uncle Avram. Yeahhhh let's not to there yet haha. Though in fairness to him was one kick away from the Champions league... xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said: Oy vey, Bring back Uncle Avram. Big Phil is available too, by the way. Sideshow Luiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Laylabelle said: Yeahhhh let's not to there yet haha. Though in fairness to him was one kick away from the Champions league... When you think about it, kinda funny how our Champions League final appearances have come under piss poor managers. As you mentioned, Uncle Avram was one penalty away from becoming a Champions League winning manager(!!!) while Di Matteo had all the luck in 2012. In fact, it's stupid how much Lady Luck has screwed us in the Champions League, even if she was on our side in 2012. Could easily have won it 2-3 times by now. xPetrCechx, Laylabelle and bigbluewillie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Right now the team is behind Spurs and Liverpool. Its not like they had a better transfer window than us. xPetrCechx and Alabama 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 The biggest issue for me today with the substitution of Hazard was the impression it gave to our players, United's players and the fans. Hazard is seen as our best player, albeit a bit of a luxury player. Taking him off with the game in the balance gave the impression we were happy with a draw rather than going for the win. I think it encouraged United to go for the win and they did just that. I wouldn't say to never bring Hazard off because if he's playing poorly he deserves to be hooked, but I think in games against the big teams you cannot be seen to show weakness and vulnerability and I feel that substitution today did just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Henrique said: Right now the team is behind Spurs and Liverpool. Its not like they had a better transfer window than us. They're just got luckier especially with Salah.. He's in some other from whereas our signings.. Less so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Although it wasn't the only issue back then, Roman sacked Scolari back in 08/09 season when we looked in danger of missing out on top 4 and we only had Aston freaking Villa to worry about then. Have at least 3 other sides to contend with this time. Wonder if Roman will get twitchy and pull the trigger. In fact, is he even worried about this? Haven't seen any reliable reports of Conte getting the boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 52 minutes ago, Jason said: When you think about it, kinda funny how our Champions League final appearances have come under piss poor managers. As you mentioned, Uncle Avram was one penalty away from becoming a Champions League winning manager(!!!) while Di Matteo had all the luck in 2012. In fact, it's stupid how much Lady Luck has screwed us in the Champions League, even if she was on our side in 2012. Could easily have won it 2-3 times by now. We are owed still big time!! That slip.. Drogba moment of madness before the slip. Okay his fault but still. Sodding Inestia.. The pens that weren't pens.. Dodgy Liverpool times... Time to shine this time be nice!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, Jason said: Although it wasn't the only issue back then, Roman sacked Scolari back in 08/09 season when we looked in danger of missing out on top 4 and we only had Aston freaking Villa to worry about then. Have at least 3 other sides to contend with this time. Wonder if Roman will get twitchy and pull the trigger. In fact, is he even worried about this? Haven't seen any reliable reports of Conte getting the boot. Last season has given Conte extra credit in the bank, had this been his first season he would have been long gone by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tomo said: Last season has given Conte extra credit in the bank, had this been his first season he would have been long gone by now. True but the repercussions of missing out on Champions League are bigger this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Jason said: True but the repercussions of missing out on Champions League are bigger this time. Are they? The TV deals has bridged that gap somewhat. Not saying there won't be any consequences but we'd still be raking it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Tomo said: Are they? The TV deals has bridged that gap somewhat. Not saying there won't be any consequences but we'd still be raking it in. Maybe not money wise but certainly when buying/selling players. Unionjack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 25 minutes ago, Jason said: Maybe not money wise but certainly when buying/selling players. True we've struggled to sign this season and that's with us being in the champions league.. Who knows who be signed without it. Especially with our board. Back to caroll again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 47 minutes ago, Jason said: Maybe not money wise but certainly when buying/selling players. I would argue all the players that we've brought in the last 2 transfer windows would have joined if we were in the Champions League or not. I think the more pressing worry would be retaining our better players if we miss out, what with Madrid sniffing around Courtois and Hazard and PSG reportedly want Kante. Blue-in-me-Veins and communicate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's too big 625 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said: I would argue all the players that we've brought in the last 2 transfer windows would have joined if we were in the Champions League or not. I think the more pressing worry would be retaining our better players if we miss out, what with Madrid sniffing around Courtois and Hazard and PSG reportedly want Kante. It's time for Roman and the board to put their foot down and say "NO" to players who may want to leave. We can easily do a Leicester or Liverpool and refuse their best player to leave. At the end of the day Hazard has two years on his contract and Courtois has another year left. We don't have to give in to a player's demands. Roman is loyal to certain players, yes, but considering the club put their faith in Courtois over Cech, the least we can expect is Courtois to show some loyalty in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Just now, It's too big said: It's time for Roman and the board to put their foot down and say "NO" to players who may want to leave. We can easily do a Leicester or Liverpool and refuse their best player to leave. At the end of the day Hazard has two years on his contract and Courtois has another year left. We don't have to give in to a player's demands. Roman is loyal to certain players, yes, but considering the club put their faith in Courtois over Cech, the least we can expect is Courtois to show some loyalty in return. That's all fine and well, but the club is not going to let Courtois leave for free in a year's time, when they can still likely command £50 - 60m for him this summer and/or a player in return to soften the blow. Hazard is not quite as pressing with 2 year's left but again, you are talking a player that is probably in the current market in or around the £150m bracket but beyond this summer that value will drop significantly. If the players both had 3 - 4 year contracts I would agree, but as much as I would prefer them both to stay, I feel we would have to seriously consider selling them in the summer if they don't agree new contracts. Unionjack and Blusan Alamb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's too big 625 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: That's all fine and well, but the club is not going to let Courtois leave for free in a year's time, when they can still likely command £50 - 60m for him this summer and/or a player in return to soften the blow. Hazard is not quite as pressing with 2 year's left but again, you are talking a player that is probably in the current market in or around the £150m bracket but beyond this summer that value will drop significantly. If the players both had 3 - 4 year contracts I would agree, but as much as I would prefer them both to stay, I feel we would have to seriously consider selling them in the summer if they don't agree new contracts. Hazard is worth more to us than £150m imo. In 2 years time he will be 29; by that time we will have had the best of him. Courtois, I dunno what could be done there. Whatever happens, I don't see RM shelling out the money for both of them. I think they will more likely bring in Lewandowski instead of Hazard and maybe buy Courtois or DDG. Who we buy depends, maybe Donnarumma or Oblak, god knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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