The Conte Thread

[Miki-Liki 405]

42 minutes ago, Fernando said:

It's usually in the second season when you see the real work for majority of the managers. 

And about Pep, must I remind people that nothing is won this early! it's always hard to maintain such rhythm in the PL for an entire season. Do you remember us two seasons ago? How everyone and their mamma was hyping us to the quadruple....

Please people learn from history and stop being so knee jerk reaction. 

 

True, nothing has been won and the season has just started, but what impresses most people is how quickly they managed to get their ideas across. Of course, it's not perfect, but you can see them building on something. We never really saw that with Mourinho.

As for Conte, there have been some signs of the brand of football he wants to play, but only against the likes of WHU, Burnley and Swansea, it all went put of the window against Arsenal and L'pool. And I don't think it's a knee jerk reaction (not including those who want him sacked, that's silly), I think he should get enough time to create his own squad, then we can judge him properly. So far, my emotions are mixed.

[Laylabelle 9,539]

For us at the moment doesnt help players being poor game after game and yet being played! We can see the problem surely they can to and need to change it.Crazy how good our defense used to be and suddenly they've seemed to forget how to defend and do the opposite!

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Miki-Liki said:

Yes, Klopp is a fine example, you could see the signs of what he's trying to achieve from the first game. But since we've been taught not to care about the process, but only about the results, most people don't realize that.

What are you yapping about? The Burnley and Swansea displays were as good as anything we have seen for 18 month's, yes the opposition wasn't the best but worse opposition were outplaying us last season. Burnley we dominated from start to finish totally which is rare regardless of who the opponent is, especially in this country.

Also I find it hilarious you bring up Klopp, about the same stage of his Liverpool tenure that Conte is now, he lost 2-0 and 3-0 to Newcastle and Watford respectively which outside of Villa were the two worst displays I saw from any side last season, and considering I watched most of our games that's saying something, oh and did I forget to mention he came within seconds of losing at home to Tony Pulis in between those two horror shows?

[Miki-Liki 405]

19 minutes ago, Tomo said:

What are you yapping about? The Burnley and Swansea displays were as good as anything we have seen for 18 month's, yes the opposition wasn't the best but worse opposition were outplaying us last season. Burnley we dominated from start to finish totally which is rare regardless of who the opponent is, especially in this country.

Also I find it hilarious you bring up Klopp, about the same stage of his Liverpool tenure that Conte is now, he lost 2-0 and 3-0 to Newcastle and Watford respectively which outside of Villa were the two worst displays I saw from any side last season, and considering I watched most of our games that's saying something, oh and did I forget to mention he came within seconds of losing at home to Tony Pulis in between those two horror shows?

But that's what I said in my following post, didn't I? I was pleased with our performance against Burnley, Swansea and WHU?

Klopp arrived in mid-season, but since you've mentioned some results, in his first game avoided defeat against Tottenham, thrashed Chelsea at the Bridge, they beat Man City twice (1:4 away!), they beat the champions Leicester, they dismantled Everton at home 4:0, and had goal fests against Norwich and Arsenal. And their defense is arguably no better than ours.

[Costa19 858]

1 hour ago, Darogba said:

You could see the changes in Liverpool as soon as Klopp took over even when they were losing. Like I said, I don't mind us losing and I'm willing to give him time but he has to show signs that it's worth waiting and right now there's nothing. 

This.

We know we are shiet at the moment and got our pair of useless players and deadwood. 

I understand that it will take some time to rebuild and that we cant sign all of our targets because of different circumstances.

However i need to see the light in this long dark tunnel but so far the only thing i see is last years misstakes repeated with the same players picked week in and week out.

Put it this way: I can take a 2-1 loss against Liverpool after a fuck up from Cahill if we show some progress in the style we want to play, a new formation, some new players/youngsters and Cahill beeing the only viable CB. But i wont take that loss if we looking like last years Chelsea. 

Time to make some difference Conte! 

[BoyBlue96 990]

It's really simple tbh.

The club just needs to get rid of the shit players and the deadwood, and by those I mean Ivanovic, Cahill, Matic, Oscar and Willian. I would also name Luiz but he's here too short to re-rate him.
Iva and Cahill speaks for itself. Matic doesn't care anymore as he wanted to move to Turin last summer. Oscar... y'know I just do not understand the sudden love for that guy. He has puppy eyes but that's it. Not creative. Just runs around and that's it.

Willian... the shit from Spurs bought his plane and after all this time, they could've gotten him for me tbh. His statistics are utter shit and very VERY disappointing. Not a fan of him.

Next up, players who can BETTER leave for the clubs sake and ours (lol).
-Diego Costa, he doesn't want to be in England anymore and fucking hell can you blame him for all the shit he gets from opposing teams fans and the media? He's a great finisher but very poor in handling technique en ballholding. We got Michy, and our own Rashford: Tammy. Also, Griezmann is on our radar.
-Courtois, 'nuff said. Fuck that prick. Get Butland or another good GK.
-Hazard, to me, only plays to get in the Real Madrid spotlights. Disappeared last season. Did absolutely nothing and still expects to get chosen for the FIFA 17 cover. No Eden that's not how it works. Doesn't defend because he just doesn't care. Horrible mentality. I would get that babyface German Julian Draxler immediately if possible.

 

We just need to improve, and also: PLAY SOME YOUTH. Chalobah can be a starter easily if he gets the confidence. He and N'Golo would be a fine pair.
I mean we can buy a shit load of new players but what the hell is the point of the youth academy then????
 

[Tomo 21,751]

22 minutes ago, Miki-Liki said:

But that's what I said in my following post, didn't I? I was pleased with our performance against Burnley, Swansea and WHU?

Klopp arrived in mid-season, but since you've mentioned some results, in his first game avoided defeat against Tottenham, thrashed Chelsea at the Bridge, they beat Man City twice (1:4 away!), they beat the champions Leicester, they dismantled Everton at home 4:0, and had goal fests against Norwich and Arsenal. And their defense is arguably no better than ours.

If we hypothetically played our team from last season tonight, we will probably win due to the fact they are even worse, that's how Liverpool benefitted last season.

City game fair enough that one was very impressive.

[Irakozium257 350]

Surely I can't be the one who's dreading to see Ivanovic, Cahill, Matic and Willian in the starting line-up against Hull anyway despite the Arsenal game and Conte maybe having realised what we've been screaming our lungs out about? Right now it feels like waiting for results on a terrible disease because there's a slight chance that you may have it. If it does happen and Hull fuck us over, then it's on him really.

I'd rather, no I'm begging that he at least tries Chalobah at CB with Azpi and Alonso as FBs, RLC/Oscar for Matic and Moses for Willian. If I see Ivanovic and Cahill in the line-up I really think I'm gonna go in a state of shock.

[Fernando 6,589]

2 hours ago, Darogba said:

You could see the changes in Liverpool as soon as Klopp took over even when they were losing. Like I said, I don't mind us losing and I'm willing to give him time but he has to show signs that it's worth waiting and right now there's nothing. 

No there was no change. It was hot and cold. They didn't got any better till after the half of the season, but more towards the end.

[manpe 10,861]

3 hours ago, Darogba said:

You could see the changes in Liverpool as soon as Klopp took over even when they were losing. Like I said, I don't mind us losing and I'm willing to give him time but he has to show signs that it's worth waiting and right now there's nothing. 

Nothing? Please explain. Were you not celebrating when he made tactical changes and we won games coming from behind? Would this have happened last season in your opinion?

The club failed in the market window, he is managing the same lot who failed miserably last season. This season is a write off, give him the players he needs and we will see more signs than "nothing".

[Antonio8 736]

PL is long, the realistic objective is to enter in the top 4.. conte will achieve the objective for sure..

 

[The Skipper 20,609]

4 hours ago, Darogba said:

You could see the changes in Liverpool as soon as Klopp took over even when they were losing. Like I said, I don't mind us losing and I'm willing to give him time but he has to show signs that it's worth waiting and right now there's nothing. 

You haven't watched all of our games this season have you?

[Special Juan 28,182]

1 minute ago, The Skipper said:

You haven't watched all of our games this season have you?

I have but could claim I haven't....The amount of time I have hid behind the sofa when the back 4 get it

[blueblood22 50]

i think kante shold be drooped out, he played really bad in his last 2 matches. i would start with aina,  Chalobah, alonso, azpi at the back with RLC and oscar as MC, as wingers with moses and hazard and costa and michy as 2 strikers side by side. i know RLC need to run more and play better that he did until now but we need to give him a chance. what do you think about this XI?

[Costa19 858]

Watching Dortmund - Real at the moment and the technical quality of the players are from another planet compared to our boatwrecks. 

Contes mission is probably impossible. Like trying to turn a cruising ship around in a small fishing harbour...

[MefiX19 1,092]

1 hour ago, blueblood22 said:

i think kante shold be drooped out, he played really bad in his last 2 matches. i would start with aina,  Chalobah, alonso, azpi at the back with RLC and oscar as MC, as wingers with moses and hazard and costa and michy as 2 strikers side by side. i know RLC need to run more and play better that he did until now but we need to give him a chance. what do you think about this XI?

3 fullbacks and a kid that haven't played as CB for ages as back 4? Oscar that plays 4 good games in a season and a overrated kid in midfield? Sorry no. Back four should consist of Alonzo and Azpi as fullbacks And Luiz and Terry as Cb (If not Terry then give Tomori a chance). I vould like to try the midfield of Chalobah as CDM Fabregas and Kante. Kante should roam freely and try to intercept their attacks and try to move the team forward. And i agree on Moses, he should start instead of Wilian without a doubt

[robsblubot 3,595]

11 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

No one is asking Conte to drop all the under performing players and replace them with Under-21 players

Replacing one senior first team player with a youngster shouldn't be a problem. 

A small change in the lineup may be a good thing. For example: Try Chalobah in midfield alongside Kante, see if it makes our midfield more dynamic against the opposition..

I certainly agree with that, and like I said before, Chalobah should be getting minutes.

What if Conte has already tried Chalobah in practice along with Kante? What if Chalobah has been poor in training, or Matic wins every dispute with Chalobah in practice (just making stuff up as I don't know). Or what if Conte is worried about winning some aerial duels esp in set pieces in our area with a squad that is on the short side?

I am sure he will make changes and try new players, esp the more ready one like Chalobah, but i don't expect this jump in performance some do. I think if you play Chalobah instead of Matic, for example, the differences would be subtle.

[Special Juan 28,182]

Lose one more and we might get Allardyce.

[xPetrCechx 13,578]

8 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Lose one more and we might get Allardyce.

[Miki-Liki 405]

55 minutes ago, Robguima said:

I certainly agree with that, and like I said before, Chalobah should be getting minutes.

What if Conte has already tried Chalobah in practice along with Kante? What if Chalobah has been poor in training, or Matic wins every dispute with Chalobah in practice (just making stuff up as I don't know). Or what if Conte is worried about winning some aerial duels esp in set pieces in our area with a squad that is on the short side?

We've seen Chalobah play in preseason and he was one of our best performers. And if I recall correctly, he looked good even with Fabregas next to him. We don't know what happens in practice, but whatever does, I'm not buying it.