The Conte Thread

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11 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

No one is asking Conte to drop all the under performing players and replace them with Under-21 players

Replacing one senior first team player with a youngster shouldn't be a problem. 

A small change in the lineup may be a good thing. For example: Try Chalobah in midfield alongside Kante, see if it makes our midfield more dynamic against the opposition..

I certainly agree with that, and like I said before, Chalobah should be getting minutes.

What if Conte has already tried Chalobah in practice along with Kante? What if Chalobah has been poor in training, or Matic wins every dispute with Chalobah in practice (just making stuff up as I don't know). Or what if Conte is worried about winning some aerial duels esp in set pieces in our area with a squad that is on the short side?

I am sure he will make changes and try new players, esp the more ready one like Chalobah, but i don't expect this jump in performance some do. I think if you play Chalobah instead of Matic, for example, the differences would be subtle.

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Lose one more and we might get Allardyce.

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8 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Lose one more and we might get Allardyce.

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55 minutes ago, Robguima said:

I certainly agree with that, and like I said before, Chalobah should be getting minutes.

What if Conte has already tried Chalobah in practice along with Kante? What if Chalobah has been poor in training, or Matic wins every dispute with Chalobah in practice (just making stuff up as I don't know). Or what if Conte is worried about winning some aerial duels esp in set pieces in our area with a squad that is on the short side?

We've seen Chalobah play in preseason and he was one of our best performers. And if I recall correctly, he looked good even with Fabregas next to him. We don't know what happens in practice, but whatever does, I'm not buying it.

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Just now, Miki-Liki said:

We've seen Chalobah play in preseason and he was one of our best performers. And if I recall correctly, he looked good even with Fabregas next to him. We don't know what happens in practice, but whatever does, I'm not buying it.

Really need to stop referencing the preseason in relation to Chalobah... He averaged like 20mins against tired teams, its not exactly the same as starting in the premier league.

I just think he deserves a chance because our other options(aside from Kante) have been well off the pace. 

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I like Conte and he deserves at least a full season or two to sort the shit in our club but losing to both Liverpool and Arsenal in a seven days period hurts alot.

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33 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Really need to stop referencing the preseason in relation to Chalobah... He averaged like 20mins against tired teams, its not exactly the same as starting in the premier league.

I just think he deserves a chance because our other options(aside from Kante) have been well off the pace. 

Not necessarily tired, but at least we agree that he should be given an opportunity, instead of playing it "safe" all the time with Matic and Oscar or heaven forbid - Mikel.

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The way some of you here are moaning about Conte and even asking for him to be sacked is farcical. Would make you people great candidates to replace Emenalo, Maria etc in the boardroom. Sure, Conte has made some mistakes in his reign but tell me, which managers do not make mistake? Even the best do. Conte deserves time to prove he can learn from mistakes and improve himself and he certainly deserves time considering how much he's being let down by the incompetent board and players. Conte isn't a manager we got from the lower leagues and has no experience at the highest level. He's a manager who has had big success in his two previous jobs and has pedigree and credibility to go with him.

And here's the big question, if we sack Conte now, who the hell are we going to appoint? Call Hiddink again for his third stint? There's no top manager out there right now that's suitable for the job. If we continue to call for managers to be sacked the minute something goes wrong and actually sack him without proper backing, then we would forever be stuck in this cycle and would never get back to the elite level we were once in.

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41 minutes ago, Jason said:

The way some of you here are moaning about Conte and even asking for him to be sacked is farcical. Would make you people great candidates to replace Emenalo, Maria etc in the boardroom. Sure, Conte has made some mistakes in his reign but tell me, which managers do not make mistake? Even the best do. Conte deserves time to prove he can learn from mistakes and improve himself and he certainly deserves time considering how much he's being let down by the incompetent board and players. Conte isn't a manager we got from the lower leagues and has no experience at the highest level. He's a manager who has had big success in his two previous jobs and has pedigree and credibility to go with him.

And here's the big question, if we sack Conte now, who the hell are we going to appoint? Call Hiddink again for his third stint? There's no top manager out there right now that's suitable for the job. If we continue to call for managers to be sacked the minute something goes wrong and actually sack him without proper backing, then we would forever be stuck in this cycle and would never get back to the elite level we were once in.

The Hiddink appointment last season made no sense. What's the point of papering over the cracks when you know there are significant problems in the first team?

I thought things would change this season but the same problems from last season are showing up again (players jogging around, attacking midfielders standing around waiting for the ball, defenders looking clueless without Terry, Courtois being cocky).

I feel bad for Conte, he comes over from Italy, where he demands respect from his players (both at club and international level) and he gets stuck with a Chelsea squad who are known to put their 'tools down' if things don't go according to plan. 

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

The way some of you here are moaning about Conte and even asking for him to be sacked is farcical. Would make you people great candidates to replace Emenalo, Maria etc in the boardroom. Sure, Conte has made some mistakes in his reign but tell me, which managers do not make mistake? Even the best do. Conte deserves time to prove he can learn from mistakes and improve himself and he certainly deserves time considering how much he's being let down by the incompetent board and players. Conte isn't a manager we got from the lower leagues and has no experience at the highest level. He's a manager who has had big success in his two previous jobs and has pedigree and credibility to go with him.

And here's the big question, if we sack Conte now, who the hell are we going to appoint? Call Hiddink again for his third stint? There's no top manager out there right now that's suitable for the job. If we continue to call for managers to be sacked the minute something goes wrong and actually sack him without proper backing, then we would forever be stuck in this cycle and would never get back to the elite level we were once in.

True. Change of coach would be worst decision atm. Conte is getting to see how shit some players are and will make changes sooner or later. Change the coach and it will again take half year for them to see who is good and who is bad, but by then they will get the sack and rollercoaster will continue, while shit players will keep playing.

I do agree we should keep him till end of season no matter what (unless some realy poor results), but if he doesnt bench Iva and Cahill, its beyond me to understand him. Perhaps is true that we dont have better replcements, but it was no doubt Conte who brought Alonso for 25m here and now he doesnt consider him better than Iva? Why would you then pay 25m for someone who will be on bench when you could keep Kenedy and spend that money on better choice. Thats bollocks and its going to be terrible to have a manager like that if this theory is true.

Also, I dont think Conte is good with youth. If he was he would groom young players to the team (considering we have many shit players needed to be replaced), but he didnt yet because either 1.) He doesnt know how to develop young players or 2.) He doesnt consider certain players being shit.

Either way its very bad for future of chelsea.

During the span of next few months we will see. I wont mind if we lose games with young players who will be developing or if players give 100%. However if the players show no desire and if young ones arent integrated, meaning same shit players will keep playing, then its obvious Conte is not the solution.

Right now its way too early to judge, it worked in begginig, now not anymore and Conte must fix this. We will see how he does from now on when he, we and everyone else knows that changes have to be made.

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2 hours ago, MefiX19 said:

3 fullbacks and a kid that haven't played as CB for ages as back 4? Oscar that plays 4 good games in a season and a overrated kid in midfield? Sorry no. Back four should consist of Alonzo and Azpi as fullbacks And Luiz and Terry as Cb (If not Terry then give Tomori a chance). I vould like to try the midfield of Chalobah as CDM Fabregas and Kante. Kante should roam freely and try to intercept their attacks and try to move the team forward. And i agree on Moses, he should start instead of Wilian without a doubt

if we give our youth players the name kids they will never get there chances because they will be treated like kids. yes i think he is a better CB then Luiz and i don't know what happend to chaill since terry not playing, i think we are lacking two importent think at the back: the first one is pace and the second one is concentration and i think Chalobah have them both, i don't know if he is the best tackler but i think a player that played all is youth career as a CB, all the coaches at chelsea youth chose him to play in that role for a reason. and in waltford,n.forest he played a lot of time as a CB and in middlesbrough some time as well so yes if we didn't had problems at the back i will play him as a DM but at the situation we are at i will put him to the back 4 immediately. conte bought alonse from the start with the thinking to put him at the back 3. i have no problem to give tomori a chance as well but i think the odds is against him because if conte thought he deserve a chance he was at the bench already in previous games. i have great faith in oscar although what people say here about him, and i think he is playing really well since the start of the season, i don't think fabergas played one good game, against Leicester all 90 min he was shit and only his goals in extra time gave him the opportunity to start the last game and it was a big mistake, he is not conte type of player. i agree with you RLC should prove himself a lot but why not give him a real chance before drooping another HG player to the chelsea horrifying statistic? you all say play with the youth but when they don't show immediate results you start saying drop him out he is not good enough for us. we must be patience specially with our youth players.

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26 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Also, I dont think Conte is good with youth.

 

He played a major part in Pogba's development, which is why it is assumed that he's good with youth... But as far as I know, Pogba is the only one.

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16 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Show me someone who didn't. 😊

The weaknesses which are apparent now were also clear to see during the title winning campaign. The difference is that we had a genius in charge and the players actually listened to him.

I don't mean by this to disparage Antonio. He is absolutely right to try to do things as he wants them done. It infuriates me that posts have already appeared raising doubts about him or saying that he must produce a miracle in a matter of weeks to retain his job. His record shows he is an excellent coach and his public persona suggests that he is an excellent man. I'm delighted that we have him.

Antonio has learned, or is learning, what a number of others have seen before. Any collection of eleven footballers can play any system their manager wishes, but our collection can only win if they play in a particular way. When, rightly or wrongly, the players stopped believing in Jose, they stopped believing in his message too and the wheels came off.

All of us here would like the same thing. We want the club to put together a squad which will allow the manager to move away from the former method of play. Trying to change the play first and then moving the squad around afterwards is, however, like putting the cart before the horse.

Mourinho lost 3 to 1 to Liverpool. Conte lost by 2 to 1.
Look I never wanted to join the anti-Iva campaign. The man was our no 2 player in the Didier days. Maybe Lamps was our no 2 and Iva the no 3 but as Lamps faded, Iva became the no 2. Now is time for America, to teach the kids. Let's face it, a time comes.
Cahill now never really made it, to gain any sort of recognition and Luiz as a defender always carried a question mark with him.
I just think you need the tool to finish the job.
 

 

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8 hours ago, Jason said:

The way some of you here are moaning about Conte and even asking for him to be sacked is farcical. Would make you people great candidates to replace Emenalo, Maria etc in the boardroom. Sure, Conte has made some mistakes in his reign but tell me, which managers do not make mistake? Even the best do. Conte deserves time to prove he can learn from mistakes and improve himself and he certainly deserves time considering how much he's being let down by the incompetent board and players. Conte isn't a manager we got from the lower leagues and has no experience at the highest level. He's a manager who has had big success in his two previous jobs and has pedigree and credibility to go with him.

And here's the big question, if we sack Conte now, who the hell are we going to appoint? Call Hiddink again for his third stint? There's no top manager out there right now that's suitable for the job. If we continue to call for managers to be sacked the minute something goes wrong and actually sack him without proper backing, then we would forever be stuck in this cycle and would never get back to the elite level we were once in.

not only that, but whether they were really mistakes or not isn't really certain.

He has made a few questionable decisions, some of them we can assume have been forced by the club.

Others are the wishful thinking of pundits and fans who say player Y would have done so much better than player X. Even though when such changes actually take place, the outcome isn't much different.

So, even if Y would've been a bit better, would it have been enough for a different outcome? Our performance against Arsenal was so bad, that it's difficult to pin to specific players... as bad as cahill and iva were, Arsenal would have prob scored in different ways, by sheer pressure.

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20 hours ago, Robguima said:

not only that, but whether they were really mistakes or not isn't really certain.

He has made a few questionable decisions, some of them we can assume have been forced by the club.

Others are the wishful thinking of pundits and fans who say player Y would have done so much better than player X. Even though when such changes actually take place, the outcome isn't much different.

So, even if Y would've been a bit better, would it have been enough for a different outcome? Our performance against Arsenal was so bad, that it's difficult to pin to specific players... as bad as cahill and iva were, Arsenal would have prob scored in different ways, by sheer pressure.

You have written four paragraphs and I agree with every word in three of them. The one I see differently is your suggestion that we can assume there has been club pressure on team selections. What evidence is there to support that assumption?

I know only one case in the last 13 and a bit years, Daniel Sturridge, where the club has issued an instruction to the manager. The fact that it was a negative instruction, rather than a positive one to put him in the team, suggests that this was for disciplinary, or other non-football, reasons.

Apart from that, none of Roman's managers has ever said that he faced pressure from above and several have said exactly the opposite. Not only have   Cloudio, Jose, Avram, Guus and the temp praised the club for non-interference but they were very clear about it.

While it is possible to believe that these men were under contractual obligation not to speak about any interference, it is not possible to believe that their contracts would have compelled them to praise the club's behaviour if that praise wasn't deserved.

Someone did tell me in a reply recently about a claim in Carlo's book that there had been interference. I'm surprised it wasn't a far bigger story in the media at the time. Unless I completely missed it, and being a Chelsea obsessive I don't miss much, there was no media storm about it. Not even a tiny little puff. Not that I remember anyway.

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22 hours ago, cosmicway said:

Mourinho lost 3 to 1 to Liverpool. Conte lost by 2 to 1.
Look I never wanted to join the anti-Iva campaign. The man was our no 2 player in the Didier days. Maybe Lamps was our no 2 and Iva the no 3 but as Lamps faded, Iva became the no 2. Now is time for America, to teach the kids. Let's face it, a time comes.
Cahill now never really made it, to gain any sort of recognition and Luiz as a defender always carried a question mark with him.
I just think you need the tool to finish the job.
 

 

Agreed you're always going to be limited by your tools. If there is an urgent job that has to be done then you have to get on with it using whatever tools you have at your disposal. If those tools aren't up to the task however then the best you can do is a bodge job. Antonio's tools are bad so people blaming him for what's happening is ridiculous.

Individual results against selected teams has got nothing to do with it by the way. I might as well compare Jose's results against Arsenal with Antonio's. It means nothing in the context of this conversation.

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