The Mourinho Thread

[Tomo 21,733]

Indeed and relationships are like vases - once broken, they can be glued back together, but it is never the same and the cracks still exist

It's just so fucking sad and pathetic we have ended up here - that's my biggest annoyance!!!! Hasn't either party learnt anything?

Both wanted to try the long term route, but it hasn't worked out. I wouldn't even mind a 3rd spell for a couple of years before he retires, as much as I think its probably best for him to leave now, it would be a shame if Mous last ever action for Chelsea was this shit storm after everything we have achieved together.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

If the 'getting stronger by the day' rumours of Hazard and his mates being the ones who would rather lose than win for the manager....... the sell them as soon as possible and use the funds to bring in your Pogba's, Griezmans or whoever is flavour of the month.

I like Mourinho ( but he annoys me sometimes especially this season) and he is not my favourite Chelsea manager, but all I have wanted for many years and I go back way before Abramovich is continuity.

A manager who we stick with win, lose or draw who is given time to develop the squad he inherits and bring youth through over several years ( which actually takes a bit of time ) plus not be under pressure to win either the PL or CL every year, and develops a good understanding with the board over potential transfers ( in and out)

With that, once that manager decides after a 5 -10 year legacy to retire/move to another club/ become international manager I would like one of the staff be promoted within having been groomed for the job.

It still works nowadays with some big clubs and in the past it was successful even in this country.

Mourinho and his current staff are the ones that are in place and in my eyes, if they were to be replaced we would be taking big steps backwards.

Would it bother me if we didnt win a thing and finished mid table.....certainly not.

Would it bother me if we spunked a load of money on a new manager and staff plus a shedload of new players to suit new manager.... yes, but its not my money.

Could we survive a year or more without CL football.....most probably, with the TV money, the huge recently signed sponsorship deals plus Abramovich and a bit of creative accounting...we are comfortable.

So, if there are players not wanting to win for Mourinho....then I dont care who they are, what their status is or how many......get rid as soon as possible.

If they stay and a new manager comes in....would they do the same if they get upset???

A player who would rather lose than win for ANY manager is letting the club and the fans down.

Some years I pay over 4k a season to watch this team home/away and around Europe and what hurts me more than any TV rant, sending off, penalty miss, etc etc etc is to hear about and/or see a player not trying or willing to lose rather than win. Its a massive let down and I dont care if relations between him and the manager aint great..............PLAY FOR US...the support...match going and worldwide tv.

At least when there was player power before, they still gave it all for the fans

Is Mourinho the right man??

The board should have thought about this 3 years ago whilst he was at Madrid and the sounded him out whilst Benitez was here .........but whatever they are thinking now whether its Mourinho or not, I hope they stick by the promise of building for the future and more continuity

[zolayes 14,489]

I don't think there deliberately sabotaging results, but if players are suffering emotionally, mentally or with relationships with colleges or anything it's not something that can be switched off, trust me i know that as much as anyone.

The Cycling guruDave Berresford worked on the principle that tiny % improvements in a number of areas led to overall great improvements in performances and results .

His work tranfsormed British cycling from third rate to the Worlds best ... IMO the reverse principle also applies several small deteriorations leads to a major decline.

Lack of rotation causing burn and fatigue.

poor preaseason planning

lack of encouragement of young players

dreadful transfer window

I think as Peace said earlier the signs were there last year .. we are fans not professionals ,, But looking at the success of Southampton with their lack of resources

WHY did our Manager and management fail so badly .

I read an article in The Times I think talking of the lack of use of consultants in football .

It is true as well Jose chooses his assistants but they are hardly impartial . I wish we had someone like George Graham or even Souness acting in an advisory role

[Fulham Broadway 16,827]

Rather than sack Mourinho, a better option to me, seeing as we all know his skills,would be a player clear out of the under performers.

Rebuild in January as much as possible with hungry players. I dont want to keep harking back to Ferguson, but it is relevant as almost everyone was saying we need continuity when we'd sacked about 8.

Ferguson was allowed to build 3 complete squads during his tenure. Players who joined wanted to give their best - because of the status of Ferguson, mainly because he was Man Utd personified, and that was because of his length of legendary service.Theres no reason if we get through this without a rash sacking

and avoiding the Stamford Bridge revolving door, why Mourinho cant become a similar talisman.

[blues.bridge 343]

Agreed, but they are supposed to be professionals. If you have a problem with the manager, go tell him. If he doesn't listen, go tell the board, the owner, whatever. But if you compromise the club's result in order to make the manager leave, then you are a traitor and you should be expelled as soon as possible from any club, not only Chelsea FC. There's no man bigger than the club, and that includes those "sensitive" pricks.

and if the board, the owner, whatever don't listen? What do you do?

[the wes 7,212]

the managers responsible for laying down the foundations for our success in the last 10 years were Hoddle , Gullit and RANIERI,,,

I would bring Ranieri back with Hoddle as Director of Football and Gullit and Zola in charge of the Academy

please no i cant stand glenn hoddle

[Jase 43,479]

Makes sense. After Stoke we have a 14-day break until next match.

But by then, the damage could be even worse than now, especially in the Champions League.

[Tomo 21,733]

The Cycling guruDave Berresford worked on the principle that tiny % improvements in a number of areas led to overall great improvements in performances and results .

His work tranfsormed British cycling from third rate to the Worlds best ... IMO the reverse principle also applies several small deteriorations leads to a major decline.

Lack of rotation causing burn and fatigue.

poor preaseason planning

lack of encouragement of young players

dreadful transfer window

I think as Peace said earlier the signs were there last year .. we are fans not professionals ,, But looking at the success of Southampton with their lack of resources

WHY did our Manager and management fail so badly .

I read an article in The Times I think talking of the lack of use of consultants in football .

It is true as well Jose chooses his assistants but they are hardly impartial . I wish we had someone like George Graham or even Souness acting in an advisory role

Tbh I kind of like our system with the assistants, we usually have a club assistant and the manager chooses one for himself, which gives both parties a sense of stability when there's parting company.

And I may be alone but I didn't think there were that big signs of this last season, we just played the footy in the first half and got it done in the second, Fergie had many of these type of seasons in reverse, I never thought we wouldn't win whereas now we can have Bournemouth at home next up and I'd strongly fear defeat.

[lucio 5,418]

Rather than sack Mourinho, a better option to me, seeing as we all know his skills,would be a player clear out of the under performers.

Rebuild in January as much as possible with hungry players. I dont want to keep harking back to Ferguson, but it is relevant as almost everyone was saying we need continuity when we'd sacked about 8.

Ferguson was allowed to build 3 complete squads during his tenure. Players who joined wanted to give their best - because of the status of Ferguson, mainly because he was Man Utd personified, and that was because of his length of legendary service.Theres no reason if we get through this without a rash sacking

and avoiding the Stamford Bridge revolving door, why Mourinho cant become a similar talisman.

ferguson probably gave chances to the academy boys , and didn't play hoofball

[Tomo 21,733]

But by then, the damage could be even worse than now, especially in the Champions League.

Not that I would ever cheer an opposition against Chelsea, but dropping to the Ropey league could be the best chance of us in the CL next season.

[HRiver 1,512]

Still think he shouldn't be given the sack. I think if he manages to turn it around - and if he is given the chance I believe he will - in the future nothing would stand in our way. We're probably not making top four at this point, but next season will be here before you know it. Missing out on Champions League after a season like this? I'll take it.

There is a reason why Roman hasn't sacked him yet, and I praise him for it.

[Fulham Broadway 16,827]

So many rumours flying about. About the grassing player etc

The one about Jose telling Ivanovich and Eva to end their affair, seems far fetched, but Googling Eva Carneiro and Ivanovich brings up a few results.

If he was fucking her, it explains a lot....

[zolayes 14,489]

Tbh I kind of like our system with the assistants, we usually have a club assistant and the manager chooses one for himself, which gives both parties a sense of stability when there's parting company.

And I may be alone but I didn't think there were that big signs of this last season, we just played the footy in the first half and got it done in the second, Fergie had many of these type of seasons in reverse, I never thought we wouldn't win whereas now we can have Bournemouth at home next up and I'd strongly fear defeat.

NO BIG signs lots of little signs .. Peace has identified most of them ,, SOMEONE at the club should have as well . Actually quite a lot of members expressed concern

during preseason and the transfer window

[Jase 43,479]

Not that I would ever cheer an opposition against Chelsea, but dropping to the Ropey league could be the best chance of us in the CL next season.

Would love to see Mourinho's reaction to that TBH, considering he's always criticized the competition.

[zolayes 14,489]

So many rumours flying about. About the grassing player etc

The one about Jose telling Ivanovich and Eva to end their affair, seems far fetched, but Googling Eva Carneiro and Ivanovich brings up a few results.

If he was fucking her, it explains a lot....

you mean Jose got jealous ..

[lucio 5,418]

Still think he shouldn't be given the sack. I think if he manages to turn it around - and if he is given the chance I believe he will - in the future nothing would stand in our way. We're probably not making top four at this point, but next season will be here before you know it. Missing out on Champions League after a season like this? I'll take it.

There is a reason why Roman hasn't sacked him yet, and I praise him for it.

probably because he fears a backlash/ dosen't want to lose money again. I doubt he actually has faith in this situation turning around.

[Fulham Broadway 16,827]

you mean Jose got jealous ..

Lol probably not. Its probably because brana is married.

[Amblève. 4,995]

If that is true I don't think is Matic, He didn't played last match, I think is between Oscar or Hazard..Hazard seems to be generally disinterested and not trying and he has delivered nothing so far this season.

Best scenario for us is to let Mourinho identify the problems and solutions and support him in the rebuilding process starting in January. imo

Rebuilding? Wtf

We really shouldn't have to rebuild a squad full of players in their primes/nearing their primes. This isn't a washed up 2011/12 Chelsea team, this team won the league last season ffs.

The lengths some will go to blame anyone but Mourinho is astonishing. I mean fuck, we're talking about a team that should be at its best currently as the majority of the team has spent 2 years now with the same coach and his system. The deadwood should have been gotten rid of a long time ago. Not to mention that this is the team Mourinho wanted, evidenced by not playing certain players and thus making them leave