The Mourinho Thread

[Oscar 441]

Sacking isn't the solution. We should stick to Mourinho, work out a solution, because situation like this will come back haunting us again sooner than later. Overcoming this obsticle will make us a better team for not going the easy route all the time with buying new players and hiring new managers.

Your also risking losing players.....

[blues.bridge 343]

Another rather worrying issue that hasn't been brought up in the wake of this mess is just how comfortable all of our opponents have looked against us. In the final few minutes of the game, Palace were so comfortable that they even had time and confidence to cause our defence more problems and create chances. can you imagine something like that hapenning to other big teams? This is just not good enough. it's one thing to lose to matches or drop points but for a "big team" to lose or drop points in such fashion is unacceptable imo. When I watch other top teams, normally when they drop points especially to the smaller teams, it's because the opposition have been quite lucky with their goal keeper and even sometimes the woodwork coming to their rescue. When chelsea are chasing the game on the otherhand, we rarely genuinely trouble our opponents defence and cause them trouble.

Another point of discussion that hasn't been given attention to is the lack of foundation being laid down by Mourinho. This is his third season at the club and we are yet to develop an identity and a template/formula that not only works but can be passed on to future managers to follow. What is mourinho actually doing to improve the team and the club both in the long and short term?

nothing

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

I swear if we lose Hazard or one of our star player because of him think Im gonna lose it. KDB signing for City today was bad enough, now if we lose a better player because of similar bs I hope the board do what is right.

[Henrique 9,133]

Mourinho is not a manager to build a long term team. Since he came back the team usually is very uninspiring in the market. He definetely doesn't know whats going on around. Matic, Fabregas, Pedro, Costa, Felipe Luis. 3 players coming from La Liga. 2 of them Barcelona rejects, and one of La Liga's top scorer before he joined. Matic was an ex-Chelsea player.

The only player was a little different was Cuadrado and he was a disaster.

He tried to sign a decadent Rooney for a huge amount of money 2 years ago, and almost paid 40m for an unproven CB, a move that would put to shame PSG/Luiz/40m.

I really doubt the club will see Mata, Hazard or Oscar in near future. Instead I expect Sergio Ramos, Rakitic, Benzama, Ribery, when they are no longer good enough to start games for Barcelona, Real or Bayern.

Swansea just bought Ayew for free, and thats unbelievable, because the man is just better than Cuadrado, Moses or William.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Another rather worrying issue that hasn't been brought up in the wake of this mess is just how comfortable all of our opponents have looked against us. In the final few minutes of the last game, Palace were so comfortable that they even had time and confidence to cause our defence more problems and create chances. can you imagine something like that hapenning to other big teams? The fear factor alone wouldn't even let them dominate like that against City or arsenal for example. This is just not good enough. it's one thing to lose to matches or drop points but for a "big team" to lose or drop points in such fashion is unacceptable imo. When I watch other top teams, normally when they drop points especially to the smaller teams, it's because the opposition have been quite lucky with their goal keeper and even sometimes the woodwork coming to their rescue. When chelsea are chasing the game on the otherhand, we rarely genuinely trouble our opponents defence and cause them trouble.

Another point of discussion that hasn't been given attention to is the lack of foundation being laid down by Mourinho. This is his third season at the club and we are yet to develop an identity and a template/formula that not only works but can be passed on to future managers to follow. What is mourinho actually doing to improve the team and the club both in the long and short term?

Agreed

The 4-2-3-1 formation has fucked me off for years

Why can't we adapt and have that plus other formations

I think he's lost the dressing room - I think our attacking players are sick and tied of having defence rammed down their throats

It's about balance

And if he is seriously threatening to sell our top players - I'm sorry his time is done here

He promised to integrate youth and hasn't - we are pushing huge money to other clubs for players that could and should have come via our Academy.

I know something is going on behind the scenes. And, as Jose's father is very ill - he could easily take a sabbatical this season and we bring in a temporary manager. There are plenty of candidates who could get us into CL places this season... Just a thought...

[zolayes 14,489]

Thanks Muz this is about your third post on this topic and each time you have identified exactly what is going wrong .. One can only hope others in authority

have solutions . I am concerned that Jose hasn't

[Muzchap 8,966]

I was waiting for this. good to criticize them. Remember last time what happened when he criticized Hazard and now he is the best player. I'm waiting the same answer from Hazard.

OK - but where is the criticism of Ivanovic?

He's blaming midfielders and wingers for not defending - when the one fucking player that's meant to defend isn't!

This is just looney tunes from Jose and I hope it's been taken out of context.

[Oscar 441]

So, who is on Jose's side in the locker room? I'm guessing the backline, Costa, and willian....Mikel, rambo, pedro.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Mourinho criticises #CFC board for failing to secure targets in wake of Crystal Palace defeat

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11834156/Jose-Mourinho-criticises-Chelsea-board-for-failing-to-secure-targets-in-wake-of-Crystal-Palace-defeat.html

He is right.

Hmm maybe the bigger question is

'do the board trust him in the transfer market'

He's made some pretty fucking shit decisions lately

Who would blame them for questioning it.

[zolayes 14,489]

So, who is on Jose's side in the locker room? I'm guessing the backline, Costa, and willian....Mikel, rambo, pedro.

Im not sure he still has JT on board . I think his treatment of Eva might have seriously upset some players including John .

For all his faults away from the club John is a very good colleague . Is is coincidence that he was originally dropped from the team then subbed at HT just days

after the Eva episode. I believe he may have spoken up for her ,,hence his subsequent treatment. From the players body language it is obvious things are wrong .

Will be interesting to see just which players are chosen for media duties

[Muzchap 8,966]

I agree with u mate. I want to see Ivanovic on the bench but i think the reason why he played on Saturday was because Terry's absence and he is our vice captain and one of the old guard and Jose maybe thought we need his experience but he (iva) fucked up again

Yeah sorry wasnt aiming it at you

Just pissed at the article

I don't think I can blame the players at the min - I can only blame Mou.

I feel sorry for the players and even under Rafa - I think our current team would have played better and beaten Palace - and I never ever ever thought I would say that! The FSW was a nightmare I thought I had forgotten!!!

[Blue Armour 4,453]

OK - but where is the criticism of Ivanovic?

He's blaming midfielders and wingers for not defending - when the one fucking player that's meant to defend isn't!

This is just looney tunes from Jose and I hope it's been taken out of context.

Because that would be almost like beating a dead horse? He criticized Hazard and RLC because he knew they were young, and could take it upon themselves to improve their performances based on their potential. Ivanovic is most likely over the hill at this point... criticism would probably end up only depressing him.

[lionsden 4,689]

Eden Hazard and Cesc Fabregas in firing line as Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho warns he isn't afraid to sell underperforming stars

José Mourinho tells Chelsea’s struggles medals should motivate them

And still no mention of the biggest culprit of all Ivanovic? smh

[Blue Armour 4,453]

Im not sure he still has JT on board . I think his treatment of Eva might have seriously upset some players including John .

For all his faults away from the club John is a very good colleague . Is is coincidence that he was originally dropped from the team then subbed at HT just days

after the Eva episode. I believe he may have spoken up for her ,,hence his subsequent treatment. From the players body language it is obvious things are wrong .

Will be interesting to see just which players are chosen for media duties

He was dropped, but he started the very next the game. Not too much to read into the JT situation, IMO.

The only player who could have his head down because of the Eva incident, is Hazard who was almost directly responsible for her coming onto the pitch.

[Jase 43,479]

Because that would be almost like beating a dead horse? He criticized Hazard and RLC because he knew they were young, and could take it upon themselves to improve their performances based on their potential. Ivanovic is most likely over the hill at this point... criticism would probably end up only depressing him.

Please tell me you were trolling there. If not, then ...

[Blue Armour 4,453]

Please tell me you were trolling there. If not, then ...

Well lets just say, I doubt any criticism would improve Ivanovic's performance. Just trying to be meek, lol

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Hmm maybe the bigger question is

'do the board trust him in the transfer market'

He's made some pretty fucking shit decisions lately

Who would blame them for questioning it.

I don't agree with that. Let's look at our major misses in the tranfer market since JM has arrived.

Schurrle-18M, Salah-11M, Cuadrado-27M, Luis-15M. These are players that came in with sizeable expectations and JM couldn't make it work.

His better buys. Zouma-12M, Matic-21M, Willian-30M, Fabregas-26M, Cosa-32M, Remy-10M.

That's not including the one's we've made this season. 6/10 Isn't great, but we sold off Luis and Schurrle for same/greater price. And Salah will go for a hefty sum im certain. So no, i highly doubt that was the reason. I think the board were happy with that proft, and thought they could skimp on investing even more into the squad and we are paying the consequences as a result. (Not saying the board are responsible for this horrific start though, that falls on JM)

[zolayes 14,489]

He was dropped, but he started the very next the game. Not too much to read into the JT situation, IMO.

The only player who could have his head down because of the Eva incident, is Hazard who was almost directly responsible for her coming onto the pitch.

The day BEFORE the game he was to left out ,,then on match day was reinstated ,, then subbed off at ht for the first time in Chelsea career ,, You are entitled to

disagree BUT NO NEED TO HIGHLIGHT MY POSTS ,,, I 'm old but not quite senile .

[Muzchap 8,966]

I don't agree with that. Let's look at our major misses in the tranfer market since JM has arrived.

Schurrle-18M, Salah-11M, Cuadrado-27M, Luis-15M. These are players that came in with sizeable expectations and JM couldn't make it work.

His better buys. Zouma-12M, Matic-21M, Willian-30M, Fabregas-26M, Cosa-32M, Remy-10M.

That's not including the one's we've made this season. 6/10 Isn't great, but we sold off Luis and Schurrle for same/greater price. And Salah will go for a hefty sum im certain. So no, i highly doubt that was the reason. I think the board were happy with that proft, and thought they could skimp on investing even more into the squad and we are paying the consequences as a result. (Not saying the board are responsible for this horrific start though, that falls on JM)

I think the Cuadrado one done the biggest damage though - in, no games - when he did appear looked shocking and then loaned out in the hope of recouping fees.

My guess is, if not for Cuadrado - he would have had more leverage. The whole Cuadrado affair has made him look stupid - one thing he detests

I mean if this was City or United or even Pool - we would be ripping them to bits. With all of the other shit going on the Cuadrado issue has flown relatively under the radar

[Jase 43,479]

I don't agree with that. Let's look at our major misses in the tranfer market since JM has arrived.

Schurrle-18M, Salah-11M, Cuadrado-27M, Luis-15M. These are players that came in with sizeable expectations and JM couldn't make it work.

His better buys. Zouma-12M, Matic-21M, Willian-30M, Fabregas-26M, Cosa-32M, Remy-10M.

That's not including the one's we've made this season. 6/10 Isn't great, but we sold off Luis and Schurrle for same/greater price. And Salah will go for a hefty sum im certain. So no, i highly doubt that was the reason. I think the board were happy with that proft, and thought they could skimp on investing even more into the squad and we are paying the consequences as a result. (Not saying the board are responsible for this horrific start though, that falls on JM)

The handling/management of the squad depth has been atrocious for the past few seasons. The club seem more concerned about earning profit than actually having a competitive squad to challenge for all major trophies and of course, Mourinho having his 'untouchables' has also been a detriment to the team. Our bench/squad depth is pretty desperate for a big club and hell, even some of the lesser teams have better players to call upon than us!