The Mourinho Thread

[Laylabelle 9,534]

It was like the Sunderland loss all over again where the defence just seemed to part and let them through

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

It was bound to happen but that does not mean our system or players are magically average now. Continue the same style but just rest players when really needed. I am sure Jose knows what do now. We all learn from our mistakes so there is nothing to worry about.

[Stats 7,136]

I'm not saying he isn't a brilliant player but when people started posting he was the best DM in the world over players like Alonso, Busquets, Martinez, who have been doing it consistently at a high level for years, I knew people were getting carried away.

Its hard to disagree and say hes not been brilliant for us because he has been in, particularly in big games but he was awful vs Spurs, who despite having a few good players are very average. I'm not saying he is an awful player, no chance but he was poor and Cahill and Terry's performance was slammed despite Matic being continuously out of position and leaving both exposed. He is one of the best in that holding position yes but I remember various members saying he is the best in that position.

Also Fabregas, who has normally been good in terms of positional sense in the other big games was shocking too as Jason said in another thread (or this one fuck knows), I'm not saying Matic should be dropped or sold or whatever the fuck or he isn't good enough but if anyone is gonna stick up for him and say he played well or relatively half decent is having nothing but a fucking laugh. Hence the point why I said when he's good he's good but when he's bad he's truly awful. Never said he was awful or not go enough or anything but yet again if you criticize someone who had a poor game despite having a good season so far, you're made to be some sort of dick who thinks they are shite or something.

Even great players are allowed bad games. Messi has probably had more bad games this season than Matic. Matic is a world class DM and yes I still would say he is the best. Busquets has had some average/poor games for Barca in the last couple seasons. Matic performances this season has been excellent and that was an off-day for him. If you are going to use this game as a reason to back your point about him not being better than the aforementioned names you will need to find a successive amount of games where he has been poor which you will not be able to do.

[dee25 1,044]

I'm not saying he isn't a brilliant player but when people started posting he was the best DM in the world over players like Alonso, Busquets, Martinez, who have been doing it consistently at a high level for years, I knew people were getting carried away.

Its hard to disagree and say hes not been brilliant for us because he has been in, particularly in big games but he was awful vs Spurs, who despite having a few good players are very average. I'm not saying he is an awful player, no chance but he was poor and Cahill and Terry's performance was slammed despite Matic being continuously out of position and leaving both exposed. He is one of the best in that holding position yes but I remember various members saying he is the best in that position.

Also Fabregas, who has normally been good in terms of positional sense in the other big games was shocking too as Jason said in another thread (or this one fuck knows), I'm not saying Matic should be dropped or sold or whatever the fuck or he isn't good enough but if anyone is gonna stick up for him and say he played well or relatively half decent is having nothing but a fucking laugh. Hence the point why I said when he's good he's good but when he's bad he's truly awful. Never said he was awful or not go enough or anything but yet again if you criticize someone who had a poor game despite having a good season so far, you're made to be some sort of dick who thinks they are shite or something.

That wasn't the initial point you were making though. This is exactly what you said.......

Hes a great midfield player but would one of the best DMs in the world get ripped apart by Christian Eriksen and Chadli? I said in another thread, he is vitally important to us but there are better DMs. His protection is vital to our system and it wasn't there. When hes good hes good but when Matic is bad hes truly awful.

It was a laughably absurd comment and now that people have rightly called you up on it you're backtracking.

I'm getting very sick and tired of certain members on here (and you know who are) who carry on as if it's this great travesty to call Matic the best DM. If you don't think Matic is one of the best or the best in his position, then fair enough. That's your opinion, but don't act like people on here are "getting carried away" by thinking he is. Many pundits and neutrals who have watched Matic play for Benfica and Chelsea unanimously agree that he is one of the best in his position. Considering that Busquets has been playing poorly for more than a season now, Javi Martinez (even when he was fit) hasn't consistently played in the DM position ever since Pep took over at Bayern, Mascherano is used more as a centre back for Barca than a DM...... so there is a very strong legitimate claim to say that Matic is right now the best DM. It isn't by any means a stretch to say he is. So spare us all the whole "wow you guys are overrating him" nonsense, please.

[Henrique 9,133]

I think you waited 5 months to say this because Matic has been our best player this season

lol

Okay, not Fabregas, Hazard or Costa, but Matic. People around this forum live in a particular world.

[Henrique 9,133]

That wasn't the initial point you were making though. This is exactly what you said.......

It was a laughably absurd comment and now that people have rightly called you up on it you're backtracking.

I'm getting very sick and tired of certain members on here (and you know who are) who carry on as if it's this great travesty to call Matic the best DM. If you don't think Matic is one of the best or the best in his position, then fair enough. That's your opinion, but don't act like people on here are "getting carried away" by thinking he is. Many pundits and neutrals who have watched Matic play for Benfica and Chelsea unanimously agree that he is one of the best in his position. Considering that Busquets has been playing poorly for more than a season now, Javi Martinez (even when he was fit) hasn't consistently played in the DM position ever since Pep took over at Bayern, Mascherano is used more as a centre back for Barca than a DM...... so there is a very strong legitimate claim to say that Matic is right now the best DM. It isn't by any means a stretch to say he is. So spare us all the whole "wow you guys are overrating him" nonsense, please.

To be honest, I could not read TC everyday for months because it has been a very busy year.

But I was shocked when I realized right now that some members are saying he is our best player this season, or even the best DM in the world. Outside here its hard to see anyone praising him THAT much.

[didierforever 7,349]

To be honest, I could not read TC everyday for months because it has been a very busy year.

But I was shocked when I realized right now that some members are saying he is our best player this season, or even the best DM in the world. Outside here its hard to see anyone praising him THAT much.

have you seen any football programs? take any edition of MOTD, for instance, and watch it to know what people think of him outside chelsea.

[Strike 7,474]

lol

Okay, not Fabregas, Hazard or Costa, but Matic. People around this forum live in a particular world.

Yes. Matic clearly over Fabregas and Costa. Hazard I'll give it to you

[dee25 1,044]

To be honest, I could not read TC everyday for months because it has been a very busy year.

But I was shocked when I realized right now that some members are saying he is our best player this season, or even the best DM in the world. Outside here its hard to see anyone praising him THAT much.

Evidently you've been living under a rock Henrique because Matic is highly regarded by many in the larger footballing community as one of, if not the best DMs.

Just a few of the praises he's been receiving lately....

Graeme Souness: 'He's better than Makelele, has a better range of passing and will get around the pitch better.

'He's only 26, but has already mastered the position and, like (Cesc) Fabregas, will improve........ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2808282/Nemanja-Matic-better-former-Chelsea-defensive-midfielder-Claude-Makelele-constant-threat-insists-Graeme-Souness.html

Former Arsenal player Paul Merson: “For me, Matic is the best holding player in the world of football,” Merson told Sky Soccer Saturday. “He is different class.” http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2014/12/chelseas-nemanja-matic-worlds-best-holding-midfielder-says-arsenal-legend/

Chelsea have Europe's best defensive midfielder in Nemanja Matic: https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/chelsea-have-europe-s-best-defensive-midfielder-in-nemanja-matic-153129379.html

Like I said, it's cool if you don't consider Matic to be the best DM in the world, no one can fault you for that but stop acting like it's only members on this forum that label him as such. Quite frankly it's very telling of your ignorance on this topic.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Can we please make a distinction between best in the EPL and best in the world?

There are not many quality defensive midfielders in the EPL, and I think we can agree that Matic is clearly the best (no, Yaya Toure is NOT a DM).

But when we are talking about the best in the world, there are on one hand a number of world class players who have been consistently performing at the biggest stages for years and on the other Nemanja who has burst onto the scene last season and has been impressing and has justified the hype around him.

Therefore, I think both opinions, that he is the best in the world, and that saying so is overrating him, are completely valid ones. So, can we all stop patronizing each other about either opinion?

How about actually moving to discussing the abilities and qualities of each?

PS: Also, how about moving the discussion to the Matic thread?

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

Engaging in a conversation about Matic with a guy who thinks that Paulinho is actually a quality player you know.... is like talking to a virgin about women.

He also said Neymar is already one of the greatest in history, light years ahead of Hazard, so...................

[Henrique 9,133]

Evidently you've been living under a rock Henrique because Matic is highly regarded by many in the larger footballing community as one of, if not the best DMs.

Just a few of the praises he's been receiving lately....

Like I said, it's cool if you don't consider Matic to be the best DM in the world, no one can fault you for that but stop acting like it's only members on this forum that label him as such. Quite frankly it's very telling of your ignorance on this topic.

Interesting that you only posted things from british press. Of course its typical: best player in a certain position in PL must be the best in the world.

I never said he is not a quality player, but when people are saying he is our best player this season ahead the likes of Fabregas, Costa and even Hazard, you understand how overrated he is, and if you cant realize thats my point, then I think you are the ignorante one. (Not sure how many people around there think he is our best player).

[iseah100 5,612]

Interesting that you only posted things from british press. Of course its typical: best player in a certain position in PL must be the best in the world.

I never said he is not a quality player, but when people are saying he is our best player this season ahead the likes of Fabregas, Costa and even Hazard, you understand how overrated he is, and if you cant realize thats my point, then I think you are the ignorante one. (Not sure how many people around there think he is our best player).

You think Paulinho is better, your opinion is imvalid.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Interesting that you only posted things from british press. Of course its typical: best player in a certain position in PL must be the best in the world.

I never said he is not a quality player, but when people are saying he is our best player this season ahead the likes of Fabregas, Costa and even Hazard, you understand how overrated he is, and if you cant realize thats my point, then I think you are the ignorante one. (Not sure how many people around there think he is our best player).

He's been one of our best players and has been absolutely vital to us this season so it really isn't that far fetched at all.

[illmatic 901]

Ok, ok. Matic is not the best DM in the world. I want to hear one better.

Busquets? Luiz Gustavo?..... Blind? Please....