The Mourinho Thread

[Special Juan 28,187]

Well well well what interesting reading this has been. Slating him like fuck after a one nil win, and he still gets mud chucked at him when we win with ease. And then we have people basically saying opinions should be null and void because you don't attend the Bridge...... :clap:

Maybe not winning the league may make some of you happy, I'm beginning to think that is the case, I really am.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

He said on the Friday that he's here to build new Chelsea for the next 10 years and that's the most important thing of his job.

What the hell is this ? Another lie. What he is doing is 100% quick fixes, short sight solutions. Like if his plan is to be here only those 2 years. He hasn't build anything yet, if he had a fall out with the board for example and there was no him next season then the new manager would have to start from almost the ground zero ! He would have to learn our players how to apply pressing, how to build up the game in possession, how to use the proper full-backs, how to execute counter-attack, he would be at the exact same situation with bringing up youths from the bottom ... LOL !

Let's hope that 3rd season will be finally about building. Then start giving grades. Currently we are in his comfort zone shell. I bloody hope that in 3rd season he doesn't back to his shell as soon as something goes wrong.

I really really hope that 3rd season will be breaking season in many aspects. Now is like he wants to have another medal in his cabinet to show as soon as someone want to criticize him to cover his ego. Brendan Rodgers said after last season game against Liverpool that as soon as you want to criticize him, he is going to show his CV and medal lists and say "but it works". And Brendan knows him very, very well.

Yeah, in the short term it works, but he's here for 10 years I hope. Then it won't work without proper platform which is yet to build.

I don't mind replacing United in winning all Premier League titles as soon as there's no extraordinary side in the league. That's how they won basically their titles in the Roman era I can remember. Only very good, record breaking sides knocked them of their perch, they were winning all the rest "casually ordinary seasons".

To take that place is a dream.

I don't simply see how this shit is going to continue in the current form though. If less luck, less coincidence, less "winning spirit" (call it as you like) was at our side we'd be fighting for 4th. I don't mind this shit to continue, but I watch football for long, long time to know that playing like this you could easy have been found out in many more games that currently we have been. We've collected like 27/36 points since turn of the year. To analyse game by game you can calculate that in other circumstances without that freaking lucky star at our head it could be even 15/36 . Yeah, I already saw stuff like this that when you play like the way we are playing from the 1st of January you don't win 27/36 points. And you ? Everyone of us saw this.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Watch us win the League and people being unhappy that we picked the trophy up the wrong way.

Blame your ambitions for the team, not the manager.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Watch us win the League and people being unhappy that we picked the trophy up the wrong way.

Blame your ambitions for the team, not the manager.

That's like lionsden said above, only with gifs, emoticons, pictures etc. people can come up .

So more

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But seriously discussing is redundant. As long as we win this forum should be closed and only result be screened. That's what many people want here I see. Because that's the only thing that is worth discussing so why even bother.

But I never ever understand how discussing result is interesting. Performance, yes, but result ? Result is a fact and you can't discuss with facts. And forum is about sharing opinions. QPR - Chelsea 0:1. Let's discuss it. Oh now, the discussion ended as soon as I wrote the score.

Why some people want the forum to be dead ?

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I simply can't be as ecstatic winning in this way. Winning with the style, putting stamp on the opponent is 10 times better. I watched the first half of Sociedad game in the pre-season and the first half against Burnley like 3 times. Beautiful stuff. You just want to enjoy it and rewatch this and analyse and rewatch again.

How can I enjoy this ? I can't. I have to remind myself that we won 0:1 to bring some joy. Long time since I watched the replay of our game.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

That's like lionsden said above, only with gifs, emoticons, pictures etc. people can come up .

So more

:lol: :lol: :lol:

But seriously discussing is redundant. As long as we win this forum should be closed and only result be screened. That's what many people want here I see. Because that's the only thing that is worth discussing so why even bother.

But I never ever understand how discussing result is interesting. Performance, yes, but result ? Result is a fact and you can't discuss with facts. And forum is about sharing opinions. QPR - Chelsea 0:1. Let's discuss it. Oh now, the discussion ended as soon as I wrote the score.

Why some people want the forum to be dead ?

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I simply can't be as ecstatic winning in this way. Winning with the style, putting stamp on the opponent is 10 times better. I watched the first half of Sociedad game in the pre-season and the first half against Burnley like 3 times. Beautiful stuff. You just want to enjoy it and rewatch this and analyse and rewatch again.

How can I enjoy this ? I can't. I have to remind myself that we won 0:1 to bring some joy. Long time since I watched the replay of our game.

I don't understand what he said or what the context is. You do your discussion, no one is stopping you. No one has the authority to stop you unless you cross a line and then the mod's need to come up.

I never said Chelsea's style of playing is brilliant. It's bad, at times its borderline pathetic. But that was going to happen this season, I had set my bar low cause 2 seasons is not what it will take a manager of Mourinho's play-set to come up with beautiful football. I do my analysis, I do it full-time professionally. I used to do it for this site, before I stopped because of time constraints and also because quite a few educated members left to be replaced by ones who will go from 'Mourinho is god' to 'He should be sacked if we don't win anything this year' in the span of 45 minutes.

You shouldn't be enjoying the football. You should be enjoying the fact that Chelsea are on their way to win the League after 5 long fucking years. You think I like the fact that we are not dominating our opposition? No I don't, but right now I know that is not happening. But I fucking loved the way we won it yesterday and as a whole I'm fucking delighted how things are going on. People are beating themselves down on the silliest things. Like I genuinely believe if we are a minute away from the title few people are sitting with crossed arms going ' We could have dominated' . Like fuck your domination, this beautiful club just won the League and I'm fucking happy.

I have no problem whatsoever , this is a forum, there has to be a bit of negativity from people, but it's being outright criminal now.

[Leif 6,006]

Watch us win the League and people being unhappy that we picked the trophy up the wrong way.

Blame your ambitions for the team, not the manager.

Well, it will be the most lackluster title win possibly in Premier League history. So yes, people including myself will feel bitter about that, but, we'll take it.

I personally feel it's almost embarrassing to be called Champions just because of the premise "Champions still grind out games when they're going through bad form" etc.

We were Champions for a month at the start of the season. Since then, all we've done is end up with a higher math figure than the other teams.

We are no Champions of football, we are champions of math.

We've been doing that for too long. It is not fun. People watch football for entertainment. Are fun and entertainment not one and the same?

I don't understand what some people watch football for if not for...the actual football, but i'm open to enlightenment. (I guess they may watch for escapism reasons, which is why when we 'win' ((regardless of the actual football)) it makes people feel like they've won something in real life which makes their cycle of a rut a little less tedious. I think these are the people who are happy with a win regardless how it comes. They must be depressed.)

Idgaf about a trophy and the 1 day of elation i'd feel from us having it if the 50+ games i actually watch us play over a season are boring or frustrating as hell.

Just think of the people actually paying money to see this shit & not just watching an illegal stream. Have some empathy and understand that the frustration is not meaningless.

We play, consistently, how let's say, Crystal Palace played before Pardew took over. Some people are happy with that if we get a shiny recognition after all of it. Those some people are crazy.

I can't wait for pundits and history archives alike to droll on about how boring this Chelsea team is, can any you? For the sake of football, any of the 3 teams below us should win this league. I'm talking about for the sake of neutrals and football fans. Those teams deserve it more. Because they're bold. They look to attack and entertain like a bull or a flock of dragons.

That's respecting the audience, putting on a performance & not just mopping the stage when you've promised a big loud set while still taking people's money.

I have to stress - if this is the level of football we can expect, what do we watch for? If only the result matters, why don't we just check the results on Yahoo after the game? (because people saying that only winning matters are either in denial, or are contradictory.)

We are a crab that hides in our shell for entire games to only strike when we think we may get a nibble, which we usually miss. Sometimes we'll get lucky and come across an animal with an already beaten shell, or with sand in its eye so it can't fight back. But when have we gone blow for blow with an equal and come out on top?

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

I don't understand what he said or what the context is. You do your discussion, no one is stopping you. No one has the authority to stop you unless you cross a line and then the mod's need to come up.

I never said Chelsea's style of playing is brilliant. It's bad, at times its borderline pathetic. But that was going to happen this season, I had set my bar low cause 2 seasons is not what it will take a manager of Mourinho's play-set to come up with beautiful football. I do my analysis, I do it full-time professionally. I used to do it for this site, before I stopped because of time constraints and also because quite a few educated members left to be replaced by ones who will go from 'Mourinho is god' to 'He should be sacked if we don't win anything this year'.

You shouldn't be enjoying the football. You should be enjoying the fact that Chelsea are on their way to win the League after 5 long fucking years. You think I like the fact that we are not dominating our opposition? No I don't, but right now I know that is not happening. But I fucking loved the way we won it yesterday and as a whole I'm fucking delighted how things are going on. People are beating themselves down on the silliest things. Like I genuinely believe if we are a minute away from the title few people are sitting with crossed arms going ' We could have dominated' . Like fuck your domination, this beautiful club just won the League and I'm fucking happy.

I have no problem whatsoever , this is a forum, there has to be a bit of negativity from people, but it's being outright criminal now.

Wow, you finally said what your real position is. Because from my short time here the only thing I got from your posts is that your blind Mourinho supporter. You literally only came up with this and only replied to the posts that criticised Mourinho. So I made my assumption that something is wrong with you that you don't how shit we're playing. However now I know I was wrong, sorry.

I agree with you and I always say that I only start giving final grades after 3rd season. However I don't know how many people are there who seem that they don't bother about anything but box score. Why even watch the match then ? If we only want to discuss the boxscore - the forum is dead.

I sincerely hope that everyone here only pretends to not be even one bit worried about how we play and only waits for this title to be finally won.

However you exaggerated. No one would ever criticize Chelsea if they would do something once to justify the means. But the pattern is obvious. So you actually excuse the one shot on target against the worst defence in the league, after the whole week of preparation ? I don't. You say that you expected that, I didn't. Sorry, I really didn't. The two games against Paris are explainable ? No they aren't.

The money that is spent here encourage to demand more.

The slump after December is too much. We win yes, but as I said, probably in 9 out of 10 seasons we would not win that much post December. It concerns me that we don't have anything build yet. Only act on the short term work. And that fucking, stupid approach to our youths. I just can't accept it.

This league title won't taste as good as you thought. The last months bereft me of an excitement. I only want this god-damn title to be wrapped up and move on from that and build on from that.

In the perfect world, Jose just throw that huge monkey off his back after this title and start again from the 3rd season. Buy crucial players, promote and play some of our golden youngsters and when we entertain Bayern don't fucking defend with 11 men in our 30 metres zone. Don't only nullify them, don't play Azpilicueta as a winger, Zouma as a midfielder etc. Get there, play tactically but don't be scared as shit of them. Can Jose deliver that even with better players ? He has to start the change from the bottom of his mind I fear.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Well, it will be the most lackluster title win possibly in Premier League history. So yes, people including myself will feel bitter about that, but, we'll take it. I personally feel it's almost embarrassing to be called Champions just because of the premise "Champions still grind out games when they're going through bad form" etc. We were Champions for a month at the start of the season. Since then, all we've done is end up with a higher math figure than the other teams.

You feel its embarrasing to be called Champions. Good on you. That's your opinion and I respect opinionated people. But you can't complain when people are going to be against it now can you?

We are no Champions of football, we are champions of math.

Champions of football or Champions of math, Champions of first place gets you a trophy not a Champions of fourth place with 'attractive football' written in quotations on the pedestal.

We've been doing that for too long. It is not fun. People watch football for entertainment. Are fun and entertainment not one and the same? I don't understand what some people watch football for if not for...the actual football, but i'm open to enlightenment. (I guess they may watch for escapism reasons, which is why when we 'win' ((regardless of the actual football)) it makes people feel like they've won something in real life which makes their cycle of a rut a little less tedious. I think these are the people who are happy with a win regardless how it comes. They must be depressed.)

We have been doing it for too long due to unstability. I think that's a pre-conceived notion here isn't it? People watch football for entertainment. I for one love entertainment but I take a team's win over entertainment any fucking day of the week. Once again, different opinion. That doesn't indicate depression, I didn't understand that analogy at all. I'm the happiest fucking guy in the world right now, I'd still not complain about the way we won against QPR yesterday because 1. I don't expect beautiful football by Champions in the last few games of the League, that hasn't happened in over a decade or two. 2. We beat them in the harshest way possible, which I fucking loved. We gave them the belief that they were in the game and would have point to close the gap against Hull by a 1 point and crushed their dreams. Fucking loved that it happened to those scum.

We play, consistently, how let's say, Crystal Palace played before Pardew took over. Some people are happy with that if we get a shiny recognition after all of it. Those some people are crazy. I can't wait for pundits and history archives alike to droll on about how boring this Chelsea team is, can any you? For the sake of football, any of the 3 teams below us should win this league. I'm talking about for the sake of neutrals and football fans. Those teams deserve it more. Because they're bold. They look to attack and entertain like a bull or a flock of dragons. That's respecting the audience, putting on a performance & not just mopping the stage when you've promised a big loud set while still taking people's money. I have to stress - if this is the level of football we can expect, what do we watch for? If only the result matters, why don't we just check the results on Yahoo after the game? (because people saying they only care about wins are either in denial, or are contradictory.)

Those some people are crazy to you. People like you are crazy to me . You get my drift? I dont give a fuck what pundits and history archives think. They can spend a 60 minute history show talking about how bad we were for 59 minutes over the course of 10 trophy laden seasons, but they will always end that 1 single minute saying what we won. You talk about the neutrals. If you haven't noticed it yet already, I'm not a football purist. I find football in any form, played in any manner absolutely fucking gorgeous. I don't prefer attacking or defensive minded football better. I don't believe that Stoke's football is boring either. They played fucking gems under Tony Pulis, which I honestly enjoyed so much from a tactical point of view. It looks simple only if you're Brendan Rodgers. Manchester City are entertaining you aren't they? Arsenal too yes? Liverpool surely do as well. Lets not forget the mighty Manchester United. Who's going to remember their performances after this season?

I didn't get the yahoo analogy too. In this point of the time, a marathon of a season, results come above anything. If you don't like this level of football, no one is forcing you to watch it. Come on down at TalkChelsea and complain about it, and you'll get the same number of people complaining about you. Opinions are free. At this stage of the season, considering how battered our team is, results are the only thing that matter to me. That is not me being in denial or contradictory, that is me being realistic. I have set my bar, maybe you and the one's you speak for are in denial cause you are expecting more from this team and a manager whose speciality has never been attacking football in the second season with a handful of games left to go.

[lucio 5,418]

because the other teams have played great football all season , and have outscored us ...... havent heard of utd and arsenal playing bad football this season...have we?

people are always critical of their own clubs performance, and make it out like everyone else has been playing out their skin for the past 15 months, not just a few games

[zolayes 14,489]

Remember the song "Where have all the Young Men gone " .. Well they seem to be sent everywhere but never played for us .

AND it wont change

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

That's like lionsden said above, only with gifs, emoticons, pictures etc. people can come up .

So more

:lol: :lol: :lol:

But seriously discussing is redundant. As long as we win this forum should be closed and only result be screened. That's what many people want here I see. Because that's the only thing that is worth discussing so why even bother.

But I never ever understand how discussing result is interesting. Performance, yes, but result ? Result is a fact and you can't discuss with facts. And forum is about sharing opinions. QPR - Chelsea 0:1. Let's discuss it. Oh now, the discussion ended as soon as I wrote the score.

Why some people want the forum to be dead ?

more

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I simply can't be as ecstatic winning in this way. Winning with the style, putting stamp on the opponent is 10 times better. I watched the first half of Sociedad game in the pre-season and the first half against Burnley like 3 times. Beautiful stuff. You just want to enjoy it and rewatch this and analyse and rewatch again.

How can I enjoy this ? I can't. I have to remind myself that we won 0:1 to bring some joy. Long time since I watched the replay of our game.

We can't play how we usually do against QPR. No width, we get muscled out of the game.

It's not just us, Barcelona would be severely hard done by to win.

Plus we have such a shit record at LR. We last won there in '96 with Hoddle...and that was "lucky" too. It's like Tottenham when they come to SB.

I just can't see how you can be so bitterly disappointed, especially with such a hostile atmosphere. Just last week against Stoke (STOKE) we played lovely football. Just be patient. Let's not forget too, these days our team is closer to Arsenal to old style Chels, and they scraped a 1-0 win vs Burnley away in the same fashion. You don't see the Gooners moaning about it.

[Leif 6,006]

Champions of football or Champions of math, Champions of first place gets you a trophy not a Champions of fourth place with 'attractive football' written in quotations on the pedestal.

I don't watch football so a trophy cabinet i'll never see has a toy in it for tourists to goggle at

[Leif 6,006]

Manchester City are entertaining you aren't they? Arsenal too yes? Liverpool surely do as well. Lets not forget the mighty Manchester United. Who's going to remember their performances after this season?

Their fans, whereas our fans will be in a hurry to forget our performances.

[Leif 6,006]

I like writing a lot of words, I don't like reading a lot of words though

[Leif 6,006]

I for one love entertainment but I take a team's win over entertainment any fucking day of the week.

Finally

I just want to know

Why

I've been trying to figure this out from the day i signed up how this mentality exists

This is not me bashing it but me genuinely asking

Why is winning more important than being entertained? Are you a glory hunter?

[lucio 5,418]

Their fans, whereas our fans will be in a hurry to forget our performances.

the utd fans begging their team to attack like last month? or the arsenal fans praying for wengers dismissal at various junctures? the brendan rodgers out sky message fans? yes im sure they will be loving this season for years to come. and lets not forget city fans who have never been happier right now

[Leif 6,006]

the utd fans begging their team to attack like last month? or the arsenal fans praying for wengers dismissal at various junctures? the brendan rodgers out sky message fans? yes im sure they will be loving this season for years to come. and lets not forget city fans who have never been happier right now

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Wow, you finally said what your real position is. Because from my short time here the only thing I got from your posts is that your blind Mourinho supporter. You literally only came up with this and only replied to the posts that criticised Mourinho. So I made my assumption that something is wrong with you that you don't how shit we're playing. However now I know I was wrong, sorry.

I just haven't been active around the forum cause the matchday threads and certain player threads just depress me after the happiness I felt after picking up 3 points. I've stayed away for a long while.

agree with you and I always say that I only start giving final grades after 3rd season. However I don't know how many people are there who seem that they don't bother about anything but box score. Why even watch the match then ? If we only want to discuss the boxscore - the forum is dead. I sincerely hope that everyone here only pretends to not be even one bit worried about how we play and only waits for this title to be finally won.

That would be wrong. I have my patience and mine's running out at the end of next season too unless we see some sort of progression in our play style. I have a problem with both sets of fans, one who don't give a shit, and the other that has constant diarrhea. I respect the ones that fall in b/w and you have that from me.

However you exaggerated. No one would ever criticize Chelsea if they would do something once to justify the means. But the pattern is obvious. So you actually excuse the one shot on target against the worst defence in the league, after the whole week of preparation ? I don't. You say that you expected that, I didn't. Sorry, I really didn't. The two games against Paris are explainable ? No they aren't.

I don't excuse them at all. They are glaring mistakes that obviously need fixing but I have come to the personal conclusion that its going to take an entire summer to fix these problems. The moment we lost our drift early on, I decided to settle on mediocre performances and hope that our fight would go on to win us atleast one trophy and we might just end up winning with two. I want to look into these mistakes and criticize them more when we move on to the next season. That's when the problem begins.

This league title won't taste as good as you thought. The last months bereft me of an excitement. I only want this god-damn title to be wrapped up and move on from that and build on from that.

This is personal opinion cause I've stated it before that I love winning the League no matter what. In fact the worse we do it the better I feel cause the whole league will be complaining about it. It's the sort of tribalism Jose built up the first time he was here. I would love more of Carlo-esque football from our double winning season but I'm never ever gonna be less happier no matter how we win the title. Once again down to personal choice tbf.

the perfect world, Jose just throw that huge monkey off his back after this title and start again from the 3rd season. Buy crucial players, promote and play some of our golden youngsters and when we entertain Bayern don't fucking defend with 11 men in our 30 metres zone. Don't only nullify them, don't play Azpilicueta as a winger, Zouma as a midfielder etc. Get there, play tactically but don't be scared as shit of them. Can Jose deliver that even with better players ? He has to start the change from the bottom of his mind I fear.

In an ideal world yes. I still see atleast another year before we implement youngsters in a larger form at all. Plus I don't mind defending with 11, cause like I said before, I don't mind that sort of football. Not seeing it with the purist's eyes of defensive football being coherently weaker. I don't think we have ever been scared of facing them. The chances are they are more scared of us. Defensive football is always been seen as a product derived from fear, but I don't think the same way. Real played on the counter against Bayern last year, I don't think many would say that Real were scared of Bayern. But in an ideal world , we play attack minded football because that is the norm, and there is a lot to change, but Jose has my confidence and support when it comes to that.

[Reddish-Blue 2,513]

I like writing a lot of words, I don't like reading a lot of words though

HAHAHAHAHA if you don't like reading, then why are you on a forum?

All these posts about beautiful football...you could always support Arsenal as a second club...then you could enjoy winning (with Chelsea) and enjoy beautiful football (with Arseanal)

[lionsden 4,689]

Well, it will be the most lackluster title win possibly in Premier League history. So yes, people including myself will feel bitter about that, but, we'll take it.

I personally feel it's almost embarrassing to be called Champions just because of the premise "Champions still grind out games when they're going through bad form" etc.

We were Champions for a month at the start of the season. Since then, all we've done is end up with a higher math figure than the other teams.

We are no Champions of football, we are champions of math.

We've been doing that for too long. It is not fun. People watch football for entertainment. Are fun and entertainment not one and the same?

I don't understand what some people watch football for if not for...the actual football, but i'm open to enlightenment. (I guess they may watch for escapism reasons, which is why when we 'win' ((regardless of the actual football)) it makes people feel like they've won something in real life which makes their cycle of a rut a little less tedious. I think these are the people who are happy with a win regardless how it comes. They must be depressed.)

Idgaf about a trophy and the 1 day of elation i'd feel from us having it if the 50+ games i actually watch us play over a season are boring or frustrating as hell.

Just think of the people actually paying money to see this shit & not just watching an illegal stream. Have some empathy and understand that the frustration is not meaningless.

We play, consistently, how let's say, Crystal Palace played before Pardew took over. Some people are happy with that if we get a shiny recognition after all of it. Those some people are crazy.

I can't wait for pundits and history archives alike to droll on about how boring this Chelsea team is, can any you? For the sake of football, any of the 3 teams below us should win this league. I'm talking about for the sake of neutrals and football fans. Those teams deserve it more. Because they're bold. They look to attack and entertain like a bull or a flock of dragons.

That's respecting the audience, putting on a performance & not just mopping the stage when you've promised a big loud set while still taking people's money.

I have to stress - if this is the level of football we can expect, what do we watch for? If only the result matters, why don't we just check the results on Yahoo after the game? (because people saying that only winning matters are either in denial, or are contradictory.)

We are a crab that hides in our shell for entire games to only strike when we think we may get a nibble, which we usually miss. Sometimes we'll get lucky and come across an animal with an already beaten shell, or with sand in its eye so it can't fight back. But when have we gone blow for blow with an equal and come out on top?

Absolutely spot on.

There's a reason why Cryuff led netherland team of the 74-78 and the Brazil team of 82 are regarded in such high esteem despite their lack of success at the ultimate price, the world cup, yet other teams that actually achieved success but in a highly pragmatic and uninspiring fashion are never celebrated or glorified.

The sort of football we have been playing will be considered unacceptable at other top clubs like Barcelona, real madrid and Bayern. I remember inviting my mate to come watch our match against city at the pub to which he replied "I'm working and i'm not about to miss work for shitty, defensive football" He texted me during the match to find out how we were playing and my response was "same ole same ole".

It's ok to play poorly in a few matches (every team has bad days) but we have been consistently bad since late December and that is never acceptable no matter how people try to paint it. something clearly isn't working and it's the manager's job to fix it. We shouldn't be relying on luck and the goalkeeper to win matches as consistently as we have been.