The Mourinho Thread

[didierforever 7,349]

Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but this will be the first time in the Abramovich era a manager wins nothing for a full season and does not get sacked?

probably cos ROMAN atlast understands the importance of managerial stability.

[darrus 422]

Mou is what he is and that's not perfect, but it grinds my gears when i see Pep, Wenger and even AVB used as these examples of class.

Especially AVB with the way he left Porto and all this recent scandal with taking away their goalkeeping coach. That Wenger went all out attacking Mourinho (fear of failure babble) is not remembered, Pep's moaning about how "poor he" was badly treated and afraid of Barcelona players caused outrage at Barcelona's fanbase but was quickly forgotten, same as his recent outburst about Beckenbauer (serves Franz right btw but still it was cringeworthy as hell). Pellegrini going about how Chelsea doesn't deserve to win anything because of our style of play - was it classy?

On the other hand Mourinho despite his record of 20(?) titles in 11 years is called failure and has to defend himself or better just shut up because if he actually answers "enemy of football", "nazi" or "coward" or other names given by press and opposition fans he is a classless twat.

And that's all beside the point by the way. Jose's personality was very well known. Despite of it, Terry was singing lovesongs to him in the press-conference just last Tuesday, and strangely while he's fallen out with every Real Madrid' s player a lot of them still speak well of him. If his character is ok for the team, it's ok, period.

The facts are:

- we've done a bit better this season than last season.

- we fixed our defence, that's a plus.

- we still have problems with our game, especially in the creative department.

- bying a striker alone is not fixing it unless we buy Messi - and even then it may not help, as this season Messi wasn't able to carry Barca all by himself.

- part of it should be blamed on Mourinho.

- part of the blame goes to people who were responsible for buying players in last 3 seasons as we have unbalanced squad

- part of blame goes to the players who sometimes are not up to task..

- "we were better dealing with parked buses under Benitez/RDM" is a myth - look up last season's results.

- we should be doing better against those teams - is a cruel reality that cost us this season.

If we fix striker problems and get some width in midfield without sacrificing solidity at the back, we're good to go. And then it will be the season Mourinho will be judged for, if he fails - then he has failed.

Though I still not exclude the possibility of him being sacked in a week as stranger things have happened here.

@ kellzfresh

judging by reports and schemes we are training combinations with short passes and quick turnovers but I guess when your AMs prefer to do everything by themselves than pass to a striker (a worrying thing to see) it's hard to implement. Another problem is too many individual attempts by AMs. Let's see how it is improved\not improved during the summer.

With that I'm out of here as everyone of us is going to more or less stay by pur opinions anyway and arguing for the sake of arguing is not the best way to end the season.

See ya

[didierforever 7,349]

I ain't blaming Jose for everything, but just stating the facts. Also, RM drew to one of the EL semifinalists & and not to a team who is all but relegated.

The bottom line is, EVERYONE has to take part of the blame. We are a team!

precisely!! EVERYONE!!! jose for not being able to motivate the players properly specially for the 1st half and the players for giving us that shit of a performance. but the "defensive tactics" thing dont come into play anywhere.

we lost to the la liga leaders (ahead of barca and RM) and this forum labelled it a massive failure. since then people having been at jose's throat. so forgive me for not being as kind to RM.

[zolayes 14,489]

precisely!! EVERYONE!!! jose for not being able to motivate the players properly specially for the 1st half and the players for giving us that shit of a performance. but the "defensive tactics" thing dont come into play anywhere.

we lost to the la liga leaders (ahead of barca and RM) and this forum labelled it a massive failure. since then people having been at jose's throat. so forgive me for not being as kind to RM.

we also lost to sunderland (twice ) and the Palace ,,, TTF the hoops got relegated last year

[didierforever 7,349]

we also lost to sunderland (twice ) and the Palace ,,, TTF the hoops got relegated last year

so? your point?

[zolayes 14,489]

so? your point?

losing to top teams can be accepted ,, to the bottom teams can't ,, OK ????

[didierforever 7,349]

losing to top teams can be accepted ,, to the bottom teams can't ,, OK ????

teams have a bad phase. every team goes thru one of this phase at some point of time. ours has come now, unfortunately at the most crucial time in the league. u can even say that the players have choked under the pressure.

so what? lets all have a pop at our manager!!!!

[zolayes 14,489]

teams have a bad phase. every team goes thru one of this phase at some point of time. ours has come now, unfortunately at the most crucial time in the league. u can even say that the players have choked under the pressure.

so what? lets all have a pop at our manager!!!!

I wouldn't if he didnt blame the players in public

[LAM09 7,100]

precisely!! EVERYONE!!! jose for not being able to motivate the players properly specially for the 1st half and the players for giving us that shit of a performance. but the "defensive tactics" thing dont come into play anywhere.

we lost to the la liga leaders (ahead of barca and RM) and this forum labelled it a massive failure. since then people having been at jose's throat. so forgive me for not being as kind to RM.

Kl. I haven't been down Jose's throat at all, despite recent results. We need to shape up next season, and deliver on the pitch. No more excuses next season.

[didierforever 7,349]

I wouldn't if he didnt blame the players in public

he did?

so saying that the player dint critisize the club and the comments were taken out of context counts for nothing. but simply saying that hazard should have done more for the goals is blaming the players in public. ok!!!

[Reddish-Blue 2,701]

What an awful result....these are the types of games we should be winning by 2 or 3 goals

Surprised that Kalas and Van Ginkel didn't get a chance against Norwich..

All in All, Mourinho will either win a major trophy next season or he'll be on his way

[zolayes 14,489]

he did?

so saying that the player dint critisize the club and the comments were taken out of context counts for nothing. but simply saying that hazard should have done more for the goals is blaming the players in public. ok!!!

the strikers on canal 4 ,, hazard ,, mata ,, oscar ,,, and apparently Salah and Matic today .

[didierforever 7,349]

the strikers on canal 4 ,, hazard ,, mata ,, oscar ,,, and apparently Salah and Matic today .

oh so now we are taking into account the dailymail articles. see i dint know that!!!

hazard - just "criticism". every1 here was having a debate on how hazard fucked up for the goal

mata - his defensive liability was for every1 to see. not our player anymore so cant be bothered

oscar - so has oscar actually had a good end to the season. tomorrow people are going to critisize jose for calling a football, football. "I think he was our best player for months, from August to November or December. He was absolutely fantastic. And after that he was up and down," Mourinho explained. so saying how oscar's season actually has been is suddenly criticism.

matic and salah - first of all . secondly, even if he did do it, so what? did he do it in public. what happens in the dressing room, stays in the dressing room. saf used to throw shoes at the players to get a performance out of them. if jose says a couple of things in the privacy of the dressing room, after a horrible 45 minutes, so what?

strikers - that is the one thing that he did wrong. that was actual condemning and criticism. also, i dont think for a moment that jose dint know what he was doing. i think he did. maybe he thought the striker would get riled up and put in a performance that would not make them and us kill ourselves, but it compltely back-fired or rather nothing happened.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Mourinho should actualy say tomorrow that he is partly guilty for such season too. Always blaming players, no striker, no goals, no tracking...

I mean, Hazard is fucking winger. Yes he should track, but he cant be only excuse for that defeat...Jose should say "there were mistakes by me and team", not "Hazard isnt 100% in the game"...

Even Guardiola, Martino admited they made mistakes and will have to do something about it..

Lets face it. Every manager in the world can say; I dont expect trophies this season, but next one. Or "we are small team, there are bigger ones out there"...thing is I didnt expect Jose to go this far in CL, but I expected at least 2nd place (not much diff between 2 and 3 but still). Only City has better team than us. As things went on this season, we had clear path to win the title. But players failed and so did Jose. If it is the players that are shit, why cant Jose motivate them? If there is no striker, why didnt Jose bought one in summer?

Finaly, this season we had plenty of shit games against small teams. We have team that MUST beat such relegation teams with or without striker. Sure, there will be defeats/draws, but generaly, we should beat small teams. Jose saw problems against Villa, saw them against Wba and Whu. What did he do? Nothing. Same players, same formation, same headless attack etc....after all those games, Jose couldnt find way vs Norwich? After like, 10 similar games, where we couldnt break opponent, jose still couldnt find a way? And thinking striker will come next season and bang 3 goals every game, saving our ass? Yeah right...

I think either we will get proper players, pass the world cup, leave that behind and truly focus on next season. Result will be winning premier league in style. Or Jose will somehow lose it and we will have another average season.

Im not blaming Mou, Im just pointing problems he has to solve. As great manager he is, he shoould fix them. Right?

[dimmas 131]

On Topic:-

I have watched our games this season and we seem to attack by spreading the ball to the wide men, waiting for them to beat their man, and then crossing or shooting. If it doesn't work, then we pass to ivanovic to cross, or we just shoot from distance. And worse of all, we do all this too slowly. Terrible tempo.

Its too simple to defend against, no combinations, I don't even see the small passing triangles I saw in the beginning of the season. No 1-2's, no link up between teammates and rare team play.

These are things practiced on the training ground. That's why even southampton players can look excellent when attacking, because their average players practice movements in training.

I think we don't do enough team combinations and it's made us look like we are over thinking in attack, slow and predictable against teams that defend deep.

I hope we get this fixed next season.

This

IF after the whole season, our combination, passing, and collective play almost didnt improve at all, so the blame is go to the manager.

our passing and collective play is awful

@darrus

can you give some link about these report ? if mourinho really tried hard to improve our collective play

[Nike 373]

Taking aside jose's defensive/negative tactics, one thing that I always thought was Mourinho was never a manager that could stay long term or want to be here long term regardless of the team.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I don't agree with everything Lionsden or MrExcalibur have said but I just think it's ridiculous that they're being treated with so little civility by a few on here when really, they haven't said anything so outrageous to warrant that kind of treatment. It's not like they've said "Mourinho will be the death of Chelsea. Sack him now". What they've said is that Mourinho has certain flaws that they don't like and they've been brave enough to verbalize them rather than follow the flock.

Cheers love. Absolutely appreciated this post. Apologies if I meaner or impugn or insult....or maybe even spell a word incorrectly (that covers me right???)

Logged on, expecting lionsden and mr excalibur and a few others to have slated this team as soon as the match finished (probably even a bit before) and I thought to myself it was a shit game. Absolutely dire. But who cares? Sunny day, Bank holiday wandering out of the Bridge heading towards the river fancying a cider - do you know what that's like? To walk out of a shitty game, moaning to a mate about spunking £60 up a wall for that? It's actually pretty funny at the end of the day. A norwich supporter can count the number of tenners they lost on one hand.

But that's football. It isn't all champagne in Munich. It isn't all open top buses, there's a few shitty results like today where the lack of a striker is self-evident and the lack of quality is fucking awful. But I got speaking to an old boy later on and he spoke about the pleasure of seeing Eden Hazard on the ball. The utter joy in his voice at seeing such a great player in the team and it got me thinking...

There's a fair few CUNTS on this forum who do nothing but slate the team. They know who they are because I've name checked a few of them. Here's the proposition.

One year from now. Henrique, lionsden, excalibur, styles, laura90, theskipper, whomever....I'll put up the cost of the servers for one year against you guys. If we win the league, you pay up EACH. If we don't, I'll pay up. You want to criticise, put your money where your mouths are or shut up.

I'm bored of the constant criticism. I look at you guys and you have nothing invested in the success of this team bar a fleeting interest in bpasting about a win on Facebook to what are surely your equally tiresome, irredeemably identical 'friends'. So here's a chance to be invested in Chelsea Football Club's success, via TalkChelsea. All six of you have to agree to it and if anyone else wants to bet against us winning the league you're welcome.

[The only place to be 11,313]

He just said in his post match conference to Sky that he didn't expect Norwich to come and sit deep... Seriously Jose?

Good thing you changed that avatar to one from about 1996 or one might have questioned you jumping on Jose's back about 25 minutes after the final whistle.

Aren't you the little politician you.

[DDA 10,284]

Cheers love. Absolutely appreciated this post. Apologies if I meaner or impugn or insult....or maybe even spell a word incorrectly (that covers me right???)

Logged on, expecting lionsden and mr excalibur and a few others to have slated this team as soon as the match finished (probably even a bit before) and I thought to myself it was a shit game. Absolutely dire. But who cares? Sunny day, Bank holiday wandering out of the Bridge heading towards the river fancying a cider - do you know what that's like? To walk out of a shitty game, moaning to a mate about spunking £60 up a wall for that? It's actually pretty funny at the end of the day. A norwich supporter can count the number of tenners they lost on one hand.

But that's football. It isn't all champagne in Munich. It isn't all open top buses, there's a few shitty results like today where the lack of a striker is self-evident and the lack of quality is fucking awful. But I got speaking to an old boy later on and he spoke about the pleasure of seeing Eden Hazard on the ball. The utter joy in his voice at seeing such a great player in the team and it got me thinking...

There's a fair few CUNTS on this forum who do nothing but slate the team. They know who they are because I've name checked a few of them. Here's the proposition.

One year from now. Henrique, lionsden, excalibur, styles, laura90, theskipper, whomever....I'll put up the cost of the servers for one year against you guys. If we win the league, you pay up EACH. If we don't, I'll pay up. You want to criticise, put your money where your mouths are or shut up.

Was enjoying the post until the last part. I think you are getting a bit carried away mate. Then again I have never understood the politics of TalkChelsea. That's why I don't post as much anymore and just read what I deem as, 'a quality read'.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Was enjoying the post until the last part. I think you are getting a bit carried away mate. Then again I have never understood the politics of TalkChelsea. That's why I don't post as much anymore and just read what I deem as, 'a quality read'.

I've expanded the last part. Felt a bit underdeveloped as spur of the moment things have a wont to do. Either way, shit result on a horrible, weird day where no-one felt up for it and it hopefully spurs us on to improve in the future.

One largely for the doom-mongers to say 'I told you so' safe in the knowledge that most people won't give a fuck if we win the league in 12 months. But such is football - Jose was a genius 7 days ago when he ran down the touchline at Anfield and every fucker with even the hint of blue in their veins was going nuts as Willian passed the ball into the goal and we broke scouse hearts.

7 days.

Fuck'em all.