The Mourinho Thread

[The Skipper 20,593]

I think it's gotten to the point where a lot of the reactions to the criticisms of Mourinho are just as knee-jerk as some of the criticisms itself. I admit that a few of the posts I've read on here slating Mourinho have been over the top, but at the same time there're some that have been legitimate criticisms. The problem I'm seeing here is that regardless of whether there're unreasonable or valid, any criticism of Mourinho is being met with angry accusations of being a glory hunter. This is exactly the same thing some members did in the beginning of the season when a few were saying that Oscar doesn't give us enough creativity and shouldn't be played in the number 10 position ahead of Mata. It was the same kind of reaction.......... "mata fanboy", "plastic fan" "support the club not the player".

It's normal to respond angrily to unpopular opinions (I'm not excused from that myself) but to start making accusations and calling lionsden or whoever, a plastic supporter just because they dare to hold a contrasting opinion from the normative thinking, crosses the line of reason.

I don't agree with everything Lionsden or MrExcalibur have said but I just think it's ridiculous that they're being treated with so little civility by a few on here when really, they haven't said anything so outrageous to warrant that kind of treatment. It's not like they've said "Mourinho will be the death of Chelsea. Sack him now". What they've said is that Mourinho has certain flaws that they don't like and they've been brave enough to verbalize them rather than follow the flock.

Imo I think what we've seen in the champions league this season isn't really the "death of tika taka" but what can happen when a coach isn't flexible and when a coach prescribes too rigidly to one type of system.

Mourinho needs to evolve as a coach and he needs to evolve his tactics. If saying so makes me a shit supporter, then ya'll can kiss my ass.

[zolayes 14,489]

For those of you who want Mourinho out, who knows why you would, who would you want to replace him?

its not wanting him out .. Its wanting him to GET better ,, If you think alienating your best players is a good idea .. History tells otherwise

[The Skipper 20,593]

For those of you who want Mourinho out, who knows why you would, who would you want to replace him?

Criticising certain aspects of what Mourinho does DOES NOT equal to wanting him out.

For some people though it seems to be that if you say anything slightly negative against Mourinho; that you're suddenly a plastic supporter or a glory hunter.

[zolayes 14,489]

yes dee pretty much said it all

[The Chels 2,502]

From recent interviews Mourinho is clearly suggesting that the Sunderland and Villa defeats can be justified (and not categorised in the same boat as the Palace game) because of the controversial refereeing decisions. I hope he doesn't actually believe that it was solely the referees' fault we lost those games — we were very poor and it's a bit delusional to think otherwise.

[LAM09 6,811]

I personally believe there isn't a better manager out there, but he needs to expand his gameplay. Defensive tactics can only take you so far. They have almost no use in games like today.

[Laylabelle 9,395]

From recent interviews Mourinho is clearly suggesting that the Sunderland and Villa defeats can be justified (and not categorised in the same boat as the Palace game) because of the controversial refereeing decisions. I hope he doesn't actually believe that it was solely the referees' fault we lost those games — we were very poor and it's a bit delusional to think otherwise.

Exactly.Cant blame the ref when the performance is shite to begin with

Needs to be a plan B which doesnt seem to be the case of late.I'd rather see us attack and go for it and loose then sit back defend and yet they sneak a goal or end up drawing mainly due to them not being able to finish their chances more then the other way round.Against some it works.Against the lower half or so it doesnt espically when they're not afraid and go for it themselves

[BlueLyon 9,359]

To think Arsenal fans have stuck by Wenger for most of his 8 years without a trophy (Only recently have they wanted him sacked). Too many glory hunters around.

So you dont mind if Chelsea turns into Arsenal?

Personaly I dont demand titles, what I would like to see is better football, think BVB style. Eventualy titles will come too.

[darrus 422]

This must be a joke. Let's see: Constantly making controversial remarks about opposition manager's, teams and players, throwing his own players under the bus, Never taking responsibilities for his own failures and would rather blame every one but himself, cringeworthy press conferences and post match interviews from time to time. and that's just this season alone. . . . including the eye poke incident and such will be too obvious.

I wonder what coach are you talking about?

Coaches that made controversial remarks about opposition coaches this season - Pellegrini, Wenger, Rodgers, Moyes.

About opposition teams and players - same people.

Throwing players under the bus - care to give any example of Mourinho doing it?

Never taking responsibilities - any of Mourinho's interviews after matches contradict your statement.

I suppose just too many people here confuse political correctness with class and prefer to have the former.

For me - give me clasless Mourinho who always stands by his people over classy Guardiola who never once found time to visit his supposedly best friend who was getting treatment for terminal illness 600 meters from his house.

But for each their own.

[lionsden 4,689]

I think it's gotten to the point where a lot of the reactions to the criticisms of Mourinho are just as knee-jerk as some of the criticisms itself. I admit that a few of the posts I've read on here slating Mourinho have been over the top, but at the same time there're some that have been legitimate criticisms. The problem I'm seeing here is that regardless of whether there're unreasonable or valid, any criticism of Mourinho is being met with angry accusations of being a glory hunter. This is exactly the same thing some members did in the beginning of the season when a few were saying that Oscar doesn't give us enough creativity and shouldn't be played in the number 10 position ahead of Mata. It was the same kind of reaction.......... "mata fanboy", "plastic fan" "support the club not the player".

It's normal to respond angrily to unpopular opinions (I'm not excused from that myself) but to start making accusations and calling lionsden or whoever, a plastic supporter just because they dare to hold a contrasting opinion from the normative thinking, crosses the line of reason.

I don't agree with everything Lionsden or MrExcalibur have said but I just think it's ridiculous that they're being treated with so little civility by a few on here when really, they haven't said anything so outrageous to warrant that kind of treatment. It's not like they've said "Mourinho will be the death of Chelsea. Sack him now". What they've said is that Mourinho has certain flaws that they don't like and they've been brave enough to verbalize them rather than follow the flock.

Imo I think what we've seen in the champions league this season isn't really the "death of tika taka" but what can happen when a coach isn't flexible and when a coach prescribes too rigidly to one type of system.

Mourinho needs to evolve as a coach and he needs to evolve his tactics. If saying so makes me a shit supporter, then ya'll can kiss my ass.

Superb post. Personally I couldn't give a damn what the self righteous twat(s) have to say if I did I would have changed the way I post a long time ago to try to fit in or just left the forum altogether.

[Tomo 21,733]

Yes, I would have been happy and celebrated the victory as a fan of course but I would never accept or agree with Jose's method and way of doing things regardless of the trophies. You can be successful without being a complete twat ala Ancelotti, Klopp,Guardiola et al.

Ibra and Eto'o would disagree, regarding PG.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I was sure he will bring players together...and he did. But he ended this season on low, 2 defeats and draw recently...plus the relation between Mou and Hazard, Luiz, Oscar,...seems quite uncertain. It could be just bullshit...but Im not even one bit ''happy'' with how our season is comming to end. Not because we crashed out of CL or havent got title, but because team should be united now and defense/midfield/attack solid, players in good understanding. But only defense is solid, and only when whole team defends. Our midfield is crap, always overrun, cant make few passes. Its no brainer we need CM in summer. Our attack...well we started well, but stalled. I see zero connection between Hazard and Oscar and Salah and Schurrle and Willian. Yes they play here together for short time and origin from different countries, leagues etc..but sometimes things just link up and work well. Like Mata and Hazard last year.

Also, partly because of draw and boring match (but we should win in first place), our last game at SB this season felt like no one gives a shit. Mou, fans, players...just being there and no one happy. Well I hope Mou has plan for next season.

We werent better team last season, but sure we had better attack IMO. Mata left because of Mou, I dont think it was good idea, Mou and Mata should simply fix the problems together, not making Mata leave. It could happen same with Hazard. But hey we can always bring Reus to play with Hazard next season And Cavani and...oh wait...Mou wants solidity in defense. He will bring another CB and DM. instead of attackers.

[didierforever 7,349]

I also wonder why managers like Ancelotti,Klopp, Guardiola are well loved despite having recent success (since that's what you are implying with wenger comment i.e not seen as a threat). perhaps because they conduct themselves in a dignified manner and play attractive football.

guardiola is loved? LOL.

ancelotti is the nicest guy ever

klopp has won 2 bundesliga and jack squat except for that. when he wins the league in4 different counries plus CL with 2 of them plus all the domestic titles, then we ll talk.

[Tomo 21,733]

I wonder what coach are you talking about?

Coaches that made controversial remarks about opposition coaches this season - Pellegrini, Wenger, Rodgers, Moyes.

About opposition teams and players - same people.

Throwing players under the bus - care to give any example of Mourinho doing it?

Never taking responsibilities - any of Mourinho's interviews after matches contradict your statement.

I suppose just too many people here confuse political correctness with class and prefer to have the former.

For me - give me clasless Mourinho who always stands by his people over classy Guardiola who never once found time to visit his supposedly best friend who was getting treatment for terminal illness 600 meters from his house.

But for each their own.

Furthermore Fergie was at it for years, bullying ref's, Wenger, Rafa, calling Alan Wiley unfit, publicly ousting Stam, Becks, Keane and RVN, his comments about Jordan Henderson's running style, i could go on and on.

Yet how many United fans truly cared about his actions? How many United fans wished they had a manager with 'a bit more class'? None of them and if they did they got their wish this season with disastrous consequences.

Mou is what he is and that's not perfect, but it grinds my gears when i see Pep, Wenger and even AVB used as these examples of class.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Costa isn't that kind of player either though.

To control the ball in tight spaces between 2-3markers and get a shot off is (benzema, suarez, messi, balloteli, rossi, aguero, falcao, lewandoski)

I'm also worried that costa won't do what jose wants

[didierforever 7,349]

I personally believe there isn't a better manager out there, but he needs to expand his gameplay. Defensive tactics can only take you so far. They have almost no use in games like today.

we were defensive? we used defensive tactics? how ? when? where?

we were unable to break down a defence. why? cos in the first half we had 3 players whose name i saw on the team sheet and that was the only way i knew they were playing (ba, lamps, salah). in the 2nd half, we tried. we huffed and we puffed. we hit the bar twice, but simply dint have the cutting edge.

[zolayes 14,489]

we were defensive? we used defensive tactics? how ? when? where?

we were unable to break down a defence. why? cos in the first half we had 3 players whose name i saw on the team sheet and that was the only way i knew they were playing (ba, lamps, salah). in the 2nd half, we tried. we huffed and we puffed. we hit the bar twice, but simply dint have the cutting edge.

90 minutes we never looked like a top 4 teaM

[didierforever 7,349]

what is actually baffling is the support we are getting in our worst time of the season. we have ended the season on a major low. no way around that. had the PL in sight but simply let it go. at one point could have gone on to the CL final, but got outclassed.

this is the moment when fans should be getting behind the team. but what i am seeing is unbelievable.

calling our manager a "twat". posters like lionsden and excalibur are a disgrace.

would be really interesting to see what their reaction will be when we will be lifting the PL next season. oooohhhh!!! i am gonna enjoy that.