Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 So you're backing a failure? Why are you supporting failure? Pellegrini did well to assemble that spine of Hart, Kompany, Toure, Silva and Aguero so quickly didn't he. Should we get him in?So Jose did well to assemble the new spine of Oscar, Hazard, Cahill, Ivanovic and Ramires?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 So Jose did well to assemble the new spine of Oscar, Hazard, Cahill, Ivanovic and Ramires??No, but we have the beginnings of a spine in Cahill, Matic and Oscar. Plus you've got one of two world-class keepers, Azpi and Hazard and whomever we sign in the summer.Teams aren't built in one season. Mourinho's first team here wasn't, Pellegrini's wasn't, Rodgers's wasn't.Using words like 'failure' is ridiculous when the long-term goals are yet to be known. The target was ALWAYS next season, so you've only got yourself to blame for getting your hopes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Either way both Ancelotti and Roman are equally to blame. Ancelotti for identifying and choosing a deteriorating striker as his no 1 target and Roman for sanctioning the deal without enough relevant information and analyzing the situation thoroughly. You have to be thorough before investing such huge amount of money on anything.And if they both had all the information, factored in his poor form and injury record, tactical and technical flexibility i.e does he fit well into the team and functional in different systems etc and still decided it was a good idea to spend the money on him then that would make the transfer even more farcical than it already is. darrus, laura90 and Vybz Kartel 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 No, but we have the beginnings of a spine in Cahill, Matic and Oscar. Plus you've got one of two world-class keepers, Azpi and Hazard and whomever we sign in the summer.Teams aren't built in one season. Mourinho's first team here wasn't, Pellegrini's wasn't, Rodgers's wasn't.Using words like 'failure' is ridiculous when the long-term goals are yet to be known. The target was ALWAYS next season, so you've only got yourself to blame for getting your hopes up.Lets be honest when the season started were u aiming for 2nd?? We all were aiming for the title since we thought mou was a better manager than Rafa I certainly thought city were weaker than us an still think so and thought we would win the league ahead of them let alone Liverpool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Lets be honest when the season started were u aiming for 2nd?? We all were aiming for the title since we thought mou was a better manager than Rafa I certainly thought city were weaker than us an still think so and thought we would win the league ahead of them let alone LiverpoolI don't think anyone thought we could win the League. most of us aimed for second and finishing in the top 4. City were and are the strongest in terms of squad. ChelseaFSee and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I don't think anyone thought we could win the League. most of us aimed for second and finishing in the top 4. City were and are the strongest in terms of squad.You are lying if I was to dig up some posts early on inthe season some pple were even confident of the treble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodIsBlue 291 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Maybe I didnt wrote clearly enough, but my point was that we need new LB. I said that if we do buy new LB, but Mourinho decides to still play with Azpi on left and Iva on right, while benching that new LB, I will be pissed. Iva is no where near proper full back to stand behind Willian and Azpi should return to his right side.As for Hazard, I only said that he produces most, while still returning back. I said that because people excuse Oscar's rare creativity due to all the tracking he makes. Oscar will have to be efficient in both defence and more importantly attack if he wants to remain in first 11. Gotze does both, surely Oscar can do it too.My point was that you made your point about the fullbacks moments before I wanted to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I don't think anyone thought we could win the League. most of us aimed for second and finishing in the top 4. City were and are the strongest in terms of squad.By the way we had the best Attacking 3 at the start of the season coupled with a decent defence. Our squad like for like was better than city at the start of the season except in the striker department Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 You are lying if I was to dig up some posts early on inthe season some pple were even confident of the trebleThat would be sheer delusion. When Jose joined and we were done with our summer tour, most of the sane ones at-least knew that the season wasn't going to be easy. Jose prioritized progression and development over silver-ware. As the season went on we realized we could actually have a go at home soil. However things did go a bit downhill . I don't think many people were confident of a "treble", that would be even more stupid than expecting silverware while transitioning. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo11bluecl 207 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Either way both Ancelotti and Roman are equally to blame. Ancelotti for identifying and choosing a deteriorating striker as his no 1 option and Roman for sanctioning the deal without enough relevant information and analyzing the situation thoroughly. You have to be thorough before investing such huge amount of money on anything.And if they both had all the information, factored in his poor form and injury record, tactical and technical flexibility i.e does he fit well into the team and functional in different systems etc and still decided it was a good idea to spend the money on him then that would make the transfer even more farcical than it already is.Doubt he had much say in it. Torres was called a Roman buy and he proved by lasting this long in the blue shirt. That also partly our scout's faults too. Too closed minded and for some reason thinking Aguero isn't worth all that or Suarez was looking to leave Ajax, but we needed a 'wow' signing and who at the time were better than Torres... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 By the way we had the best Attacking 3 at the start of the season coupled with a decent defence. Our squad like for like was better than city at the start of the season except in the striker department Our attacking three were nowhere near the maturity level of City's. There is no shame in admitting that. David Silva , Nasri and Navas. It\s not always about talent. However I'd like to hear your definition of best. There is no way in hell our squad was better than City's.Our defense was poor when we started out and now is probably one of the best in European. darrus, kellzfresh and Barbara 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 My point was that you made your point about the fullbacks moments before I wanted to...Hah lol Im officialy drunk and its not even friday yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Doubt he had much say in it. Torres was called a Roman buy and he proved by lasting this long in the blue shirt. That also partly our scout's faults too. Too closed minded and for some reason thinking Aguero isn't worth all that or Suarez was looking to leave Ajax, but we needed a 'wow' signing and who at the time were better than Torres...And that's why I tend to agree with those that claim Torres was purchased for his marketability. If he was bought solely for footballing reasons (which should have been the case) then everyone involved in the deal acted like amateurs and incompetent clowns. Torres was clearly a shadow of his former self way before we bought him. he didn't turn to shit overnight. The writing was clearly on the wall but chose to ignore it. that's amateurish and highly optimistic at best. duo11bluecl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrus 422 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 And that's why I tend to agree with those that claim Torres was purchased for his marketability. If he was bought solely for footballing reasons (which should have been the case) then everyone involved in the deal acted like amateurs and incompetent clowns. Torres was clearly a shadow of his former self way before we bought him. he didn't turn to shit overnight. The writing was clearly on the wall but chose to ignore it. that's amateurish and highly optimistic at best.More amateurish is not getting rid of him as soon as it was obvious he's not what we thought we bought and while people still didn't realize how bad he is.Right now what hope do we have of any decent club wanting him? Well, Inter rumours may be true as their transfer dealings are mostly facepalm-inducing recently, so there is hope.I can't help but think Torres is being pushed out, cruelly so. But I rememeber in the middle of the season we already were talking about Hazard and Oscar ignoring him on the pitch, which too is a problem, if your midfielders refuse to pass to your striker because they know for sure he won't finish anyway.Lack of striker is surely not the only problem in our team. But it almost looks like Mourinho is doing his best to get rid of him any way possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,448 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Blaming tonight's performance solely on the strikers is a poor excuse. Cavani and Ibra both had shit games tonight and yet they still outclassed us.Signing Cavani or Costa is not magically going to improve our build up play, ability to break down packed defenses, decision making in the final third and crossing.There's a reason Drogba had by far his best season under Ancelotti rather than Jose.Yes, there many reasons actually...and they're not really down to Ancelloti.Drogba's other 3 good seasons happened with Mourinho, and he would have probably had his best in 2006-2007 if it were not for injury.Coming back to the problem with strikers and service....its a problem that has long lasted in this Chelsea,. Like I said in another thread...unless its someone who can hold up play like Didier, or work their asses off like Anelka/Eto'o, no forward is going to have much joy playing here..with the way our midfield has been setup (and tbh, that's how we successfully control games.in most matches). kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 the sun today claimed that Jose is losing it because he hasnt played Zouma and Van Ginkel much yet. Just when you think the media couldn't lower the bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 2,275 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 the sun today claimed that Jose is losing it because he hasnt played Zouma and Van Ginkel much yet. Just when you think the media couldn't lower the bar.The retardness of the English media has hit a new low. ChelseaFSee, Mohammed Seif and Barbara 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 the sun today claimed that Jose is losing it because he hasnt played Zouma and Van Ginkel much yet.Just when you think the media couldn't lower the bar.Those clowns misdated the april fools it seems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodIsBlue 291 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 The problem is that the people writing these articles aren't football supporters much less Chelsea supporters. Mohammed Seif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Special Juan 28,141 Posted April 4, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted April 4, 2014 The only truth in a paper is the day and date in the corner. Blue Armour, Barbara, erinblue and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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