The Mourinho Thread

[Melanicus 5,208]

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

"Mourinho is shit tactically" lol. Madrid got beat in 3 semi-finals by Barca and Bayern, the 2 best teams in the world. And BVB who are a well oiled machine, and gave Bayern a much better game than Barca or Juventus did.

Apart from those games you can hardly judge his tactics because there's only 1 tough team for Madrid in La liga, and last i checked Mourinho didn't lose to Barca in the last 6 games.

Anyway, Madrid has always been a team that just buys the best players and there's hardly any sign of team spirit, the type of team spirit Mourinho won with at Inter and Chelsea, where all the players were fully committed to his ideas and gave 200% on the pitch for their manager.

No "The best two teams in the world" dont cut it.

When you come to madrid and are given money and power you should expect good things ideally but we at madrid got banged, badly.

When we faced Bayern a year ago, we were going in as favorites ( for those who didnt watch bayern)...

These two links will show you the errors Mourinho made on the two legs ALONE.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/04/17/bayern-munich-2-1-real-madrid-what-type-of-player-to-use-as-the-number-ten/

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/04/25/real-madrid-2-1-bayern-munich-bayern-through-on-penalties/

To be honest we only survived with the football we played with him because we have talented players, but thats not enough as he built the team wrongly from the get go from making a player so limited like khedira a starter for 3 years ( for example).

Dont rate teams like you just did, thats not how its done. That is why Chelsea beat Barcelona last year because they did their job very well, just how Borussia which beat us did well against us with their superior football.

While chelsea got lucky that barcelona missed so many times but also did an amazing job tactically and on the field.

Dortmund is a better "team" than what mourinho made and they beat us in the individual strategies for the games as well.

Yes you can judge his tactics. Thats why we lost two la ligas and showed the whole world why we should not only worry about el classicos.

You dont watch real madrid, you arent aware of the embarrassment we faced against GETAFE FFS. One tough team for madrid in la liga? How does this make sense when he gets found out and beat by inferior teams more times than i can count with my hands TWO TIMES OVER, in his tenure in madrid?

Players without spirit? They have spirit but mourinho lost the players with his behavior, if they didnt have spirit you wouldnt have seen almost all of them cry when we lost against dortmund in the bernabeu when we were 1 goal away from the miracle, dont use these as excuses either.

And NACH obviously you cant ever be aware of all the flaws( as it is regular for people to either minimize them or over proportion them), nor can you speak for everyone. Like i said, if you feel like you'd like to maybe learn to look at things from a more analytical point of view if thats the case then do so if not then continue on. Just stating my opinion.

It is a manager's job to get the best out of his players but he built a bad climate, you cant just generalize and say all madrid players have no spirit, this is not logical either. They all gave their heart out ( most of them if not all looked sad and tired, they did care about the game) but werent given the tools to win. Thats why mourinho replaced defenders and midfielders with players like kaka because he was THAT clueless about what to do.

Well im going to sleep but ive said pretty much everything that had to be said at this point from my part. Good day.

[nono 791]

Nice post MadridOne and I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Mourinho builds expensive counter attacking teams. Why not spend that money to build a good passing football team ? Then if he gets sacked you have to start all over. I am concerned really when he comes here he'll still start Mikel and Lampard in midfield. Those two have been the plague for us and our midfield has been getting clowned regularly by any half decent team. This Chelsea team at the moment has a lot of potential due to Oscar, Mata and Hazard combination. With a couple of purchases in central midfield and a new striker we could really become a beautiful team. I am concerned however when I read stuff like he is bringing in players like Khedira and Coentrao. Mourinho generally is poor with transfers I feel but I think we've been giving Emenalo more control there so he won't be as disastrous in that regard.

There are a couple of things wrong with your post though. Modric I feel is an excellent buy. Most Madrid fans I know agree. Furthermore, Mourinho really didn't have the most money since Del Bosque since both Ronaldo and Kaka came before him.

[Melanicus 5,208]

I hope he will be announced after today's last match for Real at 5 pm.

[HNKS 508]

No "The best two teams in the world" dont cut it.

When you come to madrid and are given money and power you should expect good things ideally but we at madrid got banged, badly.

When we faced Bayern a year ago, we were going in as favorites ( for those who didnt watch bayern)...

These two links will show you the errors Mourinho made on the two legs ALONE.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/04/17/bayern-munich-2-1-real-madrid-what-type-of-player-to-use-as-the-number-ten/

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/04/25/real-madrid-2-1-bayern-munich-bayern-through-on-penalties/

To be honest we only survived with the football we played with him because we have talented players, but thats not enough as he built the team wrongly from the get go from making a player so limited like khedira a starter for 3 years ( for example).

Dont rate teams like you just did, thats not how its done. That is why Chelsea beat Barcelona last year because they did their job very well, just how Borussia which beat us did well against us with their superior football.

While chelsea got lucky that barcelona missed so many times but also did an amazing job tactically and on the field.

Dortmund is a better "team" than what mourinho made and they beat us in the individual strategies for the games as well.

Yes you can judge his tactics. Thats why we lost two la ligas and showed the whole world why we should not only worry about el classicos.

You dont watch real madrid, you arent aware of the embarrassment we faced against GETAFE FFS. One tough team for madrid in la liga? How does this make sense when he gets found out and beat by inferior teams more times than i can count with my hands TWO TIMES OVER, in his tenure in madrid?

Players without spirit? They have spirit but mourinho lost the players with his behavior, if they didnt have spirit you wouldnt have seen almost all of them cry when we lost against dortmund in the bernabeu when we were 1 goal away from the miracle, dont use these as excuses either.

And NACH obviously you cant ever be aware of all the flaws( as it is regular for people to either minimize them or over proportion them), nor can you speak for everyone. Like i said, if you feel like you'd like to maybe learn to look at things from a more analytical point of view if thats the case then do so if not then continue on. Just stating my opinion.

It is a manager's job to get the best out of his players but he built a bad climate, you cant just generalize and say all madrid players have no spirit, this is not logical either. They all gave their heart out ( most of them if not all looked sad and tired, they did care about the game) but werent given the tools to win. Thats why mourinho replaced defenders and midfielders with players like kaka because he was THAT clueless about what to do.

Well im going to sleep but ive said pretty much everything that had to be said at this point from my part. Good day.

That is football. Even the best in the world loses to smaller teams. Real Madrid is full of big egos, people who believe they are bigger than the club. No manager will be able to do well with them. Jose may have "failed" at Real Madrid but he has done amazing for Porto, Chelsea and Inter. Thats good enough for me. I believe that when the squad respects the manager and the club the outcome is better. Real Madrid are a joke of a football team.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

I would suggest you eventually read it as i think its insightful.

Fuck Madrid. Jose is back home and can only succeed.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Nice post MadridOne and I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Mourinho builds expensive counter attacking teams. Why not spend that money to build a good passing football team ? Then if he gets sacked you have to start all over. I am concerned really when he comes here he'll still start Mikel and Lampard in midfield. Those two have been the plague for us and our midfield has been getting clowned regularly by any half decent team. This Chelsea team at the moment has a lot of potential due to Oscar, Mata and Hazard combination. With a couple of purchases in central midfield and a new striker we could really become a beautiful team. I am concerned however when I read stuff like he is bringing in players like Khedira and Coentrao. Mourinho generally is poor with transfers I feel but I think we've been giving Emenalo more control there so he won't be as disastrous in that regard.

There are a couple of things wrong with your post though. Modric I feel is an excellent buy. Most Madrid fans I know agree. Furthermore, Mourinho really didn't have the most money since Del Bosque since both Ronaldo and Kaka came before him.

Thanks for the appreciation.

He builds counter attacking teams but the problem here is that he doesnt build teams differently because he doesnt know how to. He plays with his own style and it has its drawbacks. You guys could have gone for a more proactive style of football as i remember was the idea with villas boas but that went wrong, and with the pressure from abramovich, the need for results sometimes makes it impossible to build projects like shown in madrid the last decade. You dont need khedira, its an embarassment mourinho chose him to start for us for 3 years, but coentrao is good and wont sell for more than 20 million, he could be a goo purchase for you. Best lb available id say.

I did say modric will be given another shot in the modric thread, but he failed with modric because he was given the shot to bring both cazorla and isco as reported by reliable sources like EL CONFIDENCIAL and decided to bring modric for a very expensive price instead and didnt know what to do with him which resulted in a bad season for modric. He is too expensive, and there are too little options on the market for us not to give modric a chance. He is defensively kind of poor and gundogan is superior for a CM. madrid tried to go for him a week ago but dortmund says to wait a year because of the sales being made this season so we stick with modric for now.

Ronaldo the brazilian one was not chosen by del bosque, he was thrust on him like schevchenko on mourinho. CR7 and Kaka were brought by perez, Kaka is the worst purchase ever, and cr7 was a success but both were not due to managers.

HNKS - "That is football" is not an argument. Its like murder rates spiking up in a country when in another one they are going down, everything has a reason, not just because "its life".

Madrid is not a sht club, in the last 26 years for example united have won 12 PLS and 2 CLS while madrid have won 13 la ligas and 3 cls, all this despite fergies long term reign. And we must not jump to conclusion about the players, mourinho lost the wagon here, and he has had problems every where he went.

It was combustion.

He had problems with people in chelsea, and as said by many people near him and in his documentary he was losing some people in chelsea's dressing room. In inter he said that he didnt like italian football didnt like him and vice versa. And then in madrid he imploded as well.

He made a bad team, had many errors in almost all aspects, and now is coming back here to redeem himself in his favorite environment. But he went to the hardest job he had and failed, similarly leaving as he left with the other clubs.

Its a recurring thread for him to implode.

@ Konohas : Keep living in wonderland then. Thats barely a proper statement, much less an argument you boasted there. I pointed out problems he has that he has shown not only in madrid but in chelsea it self in the past. He has imploded every where hes gone with the same problems.

Cant ignore his failings really, thats why everyones pointing fingers at madrid illogically.

[nachikethas 1,149]

For the last 10years Madrid is joke and will continue to be.

well i saw the spirit on cassias face when Ronaldo scored the winner against city.i only started watching football from 2002and never seen Madrid as world beater with their galaticos. And how did you feel about losing against lyon and other(fk i forgot that team) in cl every year making yourself fool. If am talking about Jose positives only you are talking about his negatives only.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

For the last 10years Madrid is joke and will continue to be.

well i saw the spirit on cassias face when Ronaldo scored the winner against city.i only started watching football from 2002and never seen Madrid as world beater with their galaticos. And how did you feel about losing against lyon and other(fk i forgot that team) in cl every year making yourself fool. If am talking about Jose positives only you are talking about his negatives only.

Indeed. The Madrid fool is living in a world of delusion and butthurt. Jose's succeeded at every team except Madrid because of the ridiculous amount of player power they have. He was a great success here and will be again. He belongs here.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

You have no crystal ball, you are no fortune teller, and even if you did and u were its all fake anyways lol

Madrid have actually not done too badly in the last 10 years, you go 1 more year back and its a cl and 4 la ligas only 2 less la ligas than barcelona and 2 less cls despite this being barcelona's golden age.

I stated the truth of his conditions in madrid, you still seem apparent at not wanting to take his negatives into consideration, thats why you replied with really illogical replies such as " we know all his pros and cons".

Again too much is being made on the club atm, i posted more about this in a thread called jose's back in the multimedia forum if u want to follow the conversation. Despite what was against him he was given all the money and power at madrid, they even kicked jorge valdano as gm for him. They gave him the free will to shape his tactics and his purchases, he made very bad purchases, very bad tactics, and then thus bad results.

3 years with incompetent players like arbeloa, khedira, and heck even alonso. There are so many errors like his tactics, purchases, behavior, that is not only in madrid but has been reccurent in chelsea, inter, and now madrid. His individual failures are not due to the club lol, we gave him the plane and he crashed it. Many of you decide to put a blind eye on his failings or try to pretend its madrid's fault but it really isnt for most of his individual failings such as team philosophy, tactics, purchases, basically everything lol. Not even his famous motivation worked, its not like the players were rogue lol. Makes no sense to judge one man on a lack of celebration against city, no logic in that if you deny to see the big picture.

He imploded in madrid just like he did in chelsea and inter. he left chelsea with problems and left them with little on the football side, same with inter as they got gang banged afterwards and he also said he hated italian football and vice versa, and now madrid.

Hes proven to be a ticking time bomb and for chelsea sake its better not happen again.

@Konohas: as it is obviously apparent you just cant handle logical arguments, ignore me or suffer the consequences with your butthurt even if i dont directly talk to you apparently lol. For your own good close your eyes

Jose proved hes short term and has massive failings thus far. Hes imploded every where hes gone. Your failure to atleast accept this or try to look for clarity is your own problem.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Jose proved hes short term and has massive failings thus far. Hes imploded every where hes gone. Your failure to atleast accept this or try to look for clarity is your own problem.

This is what all the opposition fans tell themselves. It is known as a coping mechanism. They delude themselves as to believe that 'Jose has been found out' and 'He will be sacked in a year or two' because they don't want to deal with the more probable outcome...Him and Chelsea dominating. I call it, Butthurt syndrome.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Lol it doesnt matter what you call it as its all fairy tell LALA BS lol.

If anyone else is up for proper discussion then lets talk, until then or better said NEVER konohas( let the butthurt flow for u in the meanwhile). :D

Ive pointed some of mous real failings and it hasnt only happened in madrid. I do hope the best for chelsea's and mourinho's 2nd marriage. Patience for one will be needed. Because if mou can keep his players from turning on him like it was apparent in his first term in chelsea as many insiders say, and if he wins trophies, only abramovich may stand in the way.

[nachikethas 1,149]

Omg mourinho is coming back. He is gona burn Chelsea down. Everyone run!!!!

[nachikethas 1,149]

Really appreciate your "feelings" for Chelsea.

[Reddish-Blue 2,347]

Lol it doesnt matter what you call it as its all fairy tell LALA BS lol.

If anyone else is up for proper discussion then lets talk, until then or better said NEVER konohas( let the butthurt flow for u in the meanwhile). :D

Ive pointed some of mous real failings and it hasnt only happened in madrid. I do hope the best for chelsea's and mourinho's 2nd marriage. Patience for one will be needed. Because if mou can keep his players from turning on him like it was apparent in his first term in chelsea as many insiders say, and if he wins trophies, only abramovich may stand in the way.

Jose and Madrid never looked right from day one. It was always going to end badly due to player power.

Mourinho can only do so much, the players never really had team chemistry and it seemed like they needed a manager to continuously feed their massive egos.

Watching Madrid screw up in a number of competitions was awesome..it just shows you that money doesn't always lead to success..

Overall, Madrid are like the Spanish Manchester City of recent seasons. No real team chemistry, they only perform in certain games and their dressing room is full of egos.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Awkward moment when TheMadridFool is persisting with a deluded and false argument in a losing battle.

[Strike 7,217]

Lol it doesnt matter what you call it as its all fairy tell LALA BS lol.

If anyone else is up for proper discussion then lets talk, until then or better said NEVER konohas( let the butthurt flow for u in the meanwhile). :D

Ive pointed some of mous real failings and it hasnt only happened in madrid. I do hope the best for chelsea's and mourinho's 2nd marriage. Patience for one will be needed. Because if mou can keep his players from turning on him like it was apparent in his first term in chelsea as many insiders say, and if he wins trophies, only abramovich may stand in the way.

Hello Devil's Advocate

Mourinho always had a great connection with his players at Porto, Chelsea and Inter. I am not worried about his inability to control a Real Madrid squad full of differences. His old players still talk to him, see him as father figure. The 'human' connection is something he talks about extensively in a documentary made 1-2 years ago.

Madrid is more like the exception than the rule itself

[MHL 47 378]

You have no crystal ball, you are no fortune teller, and even if you did and u were its all fake anyways lol

Madrid have actually not done too badly in the last 10 years, you go 1 more year back and its a cl and 4 la ligas only 2 less la ligas than barcelona and 2 less cls despite this being barcelona's golden age.

I stated the truth of his conditions in madrid, you still seem apparent at not wanting to take his negatives into consideration, thats why you replied with really illogical replies such as " we know all his pros and cons".

Again too much is being made on the club atm, i posted more about this in a thread called jose's back in the multimedia forum if u want to follow the conversation. Despite what was against him he was given all the money and power at madrid, they even kicked jorge valdano as gm for him. They gave him the free will to shape his tactics and his purchases, he made very bad purchases, very bad tactics, and then thus bad results.

3 years with incompetent players like arbeloa, khedira, and heck even alonso. There are so many errors like his tactics, purchases, behavior, that is not only in madrid but has been reccurent in chelsea, inter, and now madrid. His individual failures are not due to the club lol, we gave him the plane and he crashed it. Many of you decide to put a blind eye on his failings or try to pretend its madrid's fault but it really isnt for most of his individual failings such as team philosophy, tactics, purchases, basically everything lol. Not even his famous motivation worked, its not like the players were rogue lol. Makes no sense to judge one man on a lack of celebration against city, no logic in that if you deny to see the big picture.

He imploded in madrid just like he did in chelsea and inter. he left chelsea with problems and left them with little on the football side, same with inter as they got gang banged afterwards and he also said he hated italian football and vice versa, and now madrid.

Hes proven to be a ticking time bomb and for chelsea sake its better not happen again.

@Konohas: as it is obviously apparent you just cant handle logical arguments, ignore me or suffer the consequences with your butthurt even if i dont directly talk to you apparently lol. For your own good close your eyes

Jose proved hes short term and has massive failings thus far. Hes imploded every where hes gone. Your failure to atleast accept this or try to look for clarity is your own problem.

We get it, you don't like him much.

However there's many here that do. Don't feel for us, worry more about the timebomb you've got at Madrid and one that'll continue to explode with regularity because you've never got past the 'galatico' mentality you gave your players - more important than the club they believe. As a club you can hardly preach on about Jose being a short term manager, your mob's worse than us at getting shot of managers, methinks it's a convenient stick for you to try to beat him with.

Players with direct access to the President, courting favours when they don't get their way. The players you'll be left will keep on doing this and you'll be left hanging chasing Barca around, wishing you were as successful as they are now. 'More than just a club' is their motto isn't it? Perhaps Madrid's should be 'we're the Galatico's, we're more than the club'.

Meanwhile I sincerely hope we'll have a rejuvenated and motivated Jose, with fans who'll support him, players who appreciate him and an owner who'll back him and that Jose gets the opportunity asap to dump Madrid's backsides out of the CL and leave you waiting a few more years for the ever more elusive 10th CL title.