The Mourinho Thread

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How often does Mourinho have his teams playing nice football though? I think that first half of the season was okay, but we hardly played exhilarating stuff like Liverpool of 2 seasons back or Man city even, we still won games by 1 or 2 (if we were lucky) goals and  looked a little dodgy in defence. We lost to west brom away 3-0, drew to Liverpool at home, drawing at home to Southampton and a myriad of other poor results, especially towards the latter end of the season and allowed our rivals to close the point gap a couple times when we had a very healthy lead. 

I think Mourinho will never be an attacking minded coach, and when his teams have been attacking it's because there have been some phenominal players at his disposal, such as Ronaldo, Ozil, Di Maria and Modric at Madrid, and Drogba, Robben, Lampard, Duff, Cole etc here in his first spell. How much of the attacking play and amount of goals was more down to the quality of players in the team rather than solely Mourinho's mindset of wanting to play an attacking game? 

Be interesting to hear arguments against this and your views. 

[Spike 12,049]

Personally I think it's a simple case of Mourinho's era passing. He was the man from 04-10. Nobody could top him; nobody could outsmart him. He was simply head over shoulders better than his contemporaries. That is a long time at the top especially as football goes in cycles. Mourinho's cycle ended when Guardiola's began, now even the latter's cycle is seemingly closing. The only manager to really stand against the grain of time was Sir Ferguson and even he had his down years.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

Does this mean we can have Mata back?

[Fernando 6,743]

This is funny:

 

Will Ferrell admits Jose Mourinho sacking at Chelsea was his fault

http://www.espnfc.us/blog/the-toe-poke/65/post/2804388/will-ferrell-admits-jose-mourinho-sacking-chelsea-his-fault

[BlueLyon 9,359]

12 hours ago, Special Juan said:

They are struggling to put up with LvG's way of playing so I cannot for the life of me see how they will put up with Mourinho's predictable ways including formation and selections. Not only that but just across the City will be a certain Pep Guardiola, who the the press will be all over with it being his first dip in the PL ocean and Jose will not be short of a sly pop or two at both City and Pep. United need to look closely at this and be very careful if they haven't signed him already, they will be getting a very stubborn, arrogant and one dimensional manager in Mourinho, which isn't a far cry from what they have now.

I've washed my hands completely of JM, thankful for what he did but I never want to see him return. He was found out here and he will be at United, and if United want to promote youth they are signing the wrong bloke.

He will have shitload of money available to bring Varane, Pogba, Bale and whoever else he wants. Well he obviously wont get them all but you know my point.

[LAM09 7,100]

It really does seem like he's off to Utd. Would say a lot about him IMO

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

19 hours ago, Spike said:

Personally I think it's a simple case of Mourinho's era passing. He was the man from 04-10. Nobody could top him; nobody could outsmart him. He was simply head over shoulders better than his contemporaries. That is a long time at the top especially as football goes in cycles. Mourinho's cycle ended when Guardiola's began, now even the latter's cycle is seemingly closing. The only manager to really stand against the grain of time was Sir Ferguson and even he had his down years.

Man, it's too early. WAYYY TOO EARLY. Why jump on the conclusion at this point ?

Mourinho achieved 5 straight Champions League semifinals between 2010-14 with 3 diffrent clubs (when his era has passed).

Guardiola never even got knocked out before semifinal. 6 semifinals out of 6.

 

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21 hours ago, Pizy said:

While he did revert to form towards the end of his time here, we can't forget how exciting and pleasant on the eyes our football was in the first half of last season. He may be able to get them playing like that. Unlike us, United actually have a bunch of players who can keep the ball for extended periods of time as well. I think players like Martial and Depay are perfect for Mourinho and both Rooney and José have never hid their admiration for one another so I can see him get a boost in form.

The other (and biggest) reason they'll put up with him and why I think he's nailed on to be a success is who he'll be able to attract and sign. He'll make our board look like total mugs if he goes out first thing in the summer and signs the targets he wanted here that we failed to secure. Say he does what he did with Costa and Cesc and in the first weeks of the summer and signs Stones and Pogba.

Agree that there's definitely risk, but for a club like them who's desperate for immediate success you can't go wrong with Mourinho.

We have just as many players who are comfortable at holding the ball as United have tbh. Hazard and Willian are better dribblers than any United players. 

That's irrelevant however. Mourinho's teams don't really play with the ball at their feet. 

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Mourinho at United? Bring it on.

He'll play the same shite football he did here, spend big money, might even win the league in his second season, but he will eventually fall out spectacularly with his players and leave them in a worse position they're now.

Their fans are so desperate for success that they will forget the attacking philosophy and reliance on youth that has been established in the club for many years. If they had a single brain cell they would go for Pochettino. He fits the united philosophy and his plan would require much less transformation than Mourinho. It's even funnier when you see their fans rambling about how their plan is to go Lvg-Mou-Poch, implying that the team would have to adjust to Mourinho's needs and then re-adjust to Pochettino's.

But this is very hypocritical coming from a Chelsea fan. We've had a winning manager in old mourinho, an attacking and winning one in Ancelotti, a revolutionary one in AVB, and then a defensive-minded Mourinho. 

Some need to realize that the basis of long term success lies in the stability of the club's footballing philosphy, and how the club chooses its managers and players based on that. We can bring all the top managers here if we want, but unless they all generally play the same style, we will never enjoy long term success. 

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[Fernando 6,743]

Man United set for record revenues despite Champions League exit

http://www.espnfc.us/manchester-united/story/2805008/manchester-united-set-for-record-revenues-despite-ucl-exit

 

This is why I still say that Pep did not choose the easier job. The easier job by far would have been United as they got more money to spend. Giving that City also have to spend to build a squad giving that they have older players and their defensive players are not that good.

United by far the easiest job because of the money they have.

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2 hours ago, Fernando said:

Man United set for record revenues despite Champions League exit

http://www.espnfc.us/manchester-united/story/2805008/manchester-united-set-for-record-revenues-despite-ucl-exit

 

This is why I still say that Pep did not choose the easier job. The easier job by far would have been United as they got more money to spend. Giving that City also have to spend to build a squad giving that they have older players and their defensive players are not that good.

United by far the easiest job because of the money they have.

Working with Begiristain makes City job easier for Guardiola. He would have to deal with Woodward at United.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

Man United set for record revenues despite Champions League exit

http://www.espnfc.us/manchester-united/story/2805008/manchester-united-set-for-record-revenues-despite-ucl-exit

 

This is why I still say that Pep did not choose the easier job. The easier job by far would have been United as they got more money to spend. Giving that City also have to spend to build a squad giving that they have older players and their defensive players are not that good.

United by far the easiest job because of the money they have.

But then compare approaches of both clubs.

Man United owners want to make money from this club.

Man City owners want to bring money to the club and they're not interested to make money from this.

Very different.

[Fernando 6,743]

3 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

Working with Begiristain makes City job easier for Guardiola. He would have to deal with Woodward at United.

How do you know Woodward is hard to work with. You worked with the guy?

So far he has giving every player Van Gaal has wanted. Other players they wanted to buy but they didn't want to come.

2 hours ago, Blue Colored Sky said:

But then compare approaches of both clubs.

Man United owners want to make money from this club.

Man City owners want to bring money to the club and they're not interested to make money from this.

Very different.

Yeah but United still has the money coming in and they have shown the past few transfers window by spending big. They have no problem with spending now.

[Styles 9,790]

20 hours ago, Fernando said:

This is funny:

 

Will Ferrell admits Jose Mourinho sacking at Chelsea was his fault

http://www.espnfc.us/blog/the-toe-poke/65/post/2804388/will-ferrell-admits-jose-mourinho-sacking-chelsea-his-fault

Thank you, Will Ferrell. 

[11Drogba 2,000]

43 minutes ago, Fernando said:

 

So far he has giving every player Van Gaal has wanted.

 

You attend to their meetings?

Guardiola knows Begristain for 30 years and they were very successful together at Barca. It is hard to have that synergy with someone else.

[Fernando 6,743]

15 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

You attend to their meetings?

Guardiola knows Begristain for 30 years and they were very successful together at Barca. It is hard to have that synergy with someone else.

And they had a lot of problems with the players they bought. Chigrinsky anyone?

He didn't cut at Barcelona for a reason.

[Spike 12,049]

3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

And they had a lot of problems with the players they bought. Chigrinsky anyone?

He didn't cut at Barcelona for a reason.

One transfer isn't 'a lot'. Ibrahimovic conversely was very good player for them, he and the manager simply were at odds.

[11Drogba 2,000]

3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

 

He didn't cut at Barcelona for a reason.

He was the technical director between 2003-2010 at Barca.

[Fernando 6,743]

12 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

He was the technical director between 2003-2010 at Barca.

Yeah but they let him go because of all those buys they was making. Wasn't as good. The best players was coming for La Masia and they bought a lot of duds.