The Mourinho Thread

[Fernando 6,743]

49 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

Maybe you've got a point there, maybe not, at least you can back it up with your aforementioned examples,
no problem mate.
You're not out of line, furthermore you refused to use some disrespectful language as some others before,
you respect his achievements, in the end it's all good!

In my point of view about three years is a very long time, especially in Football, a lot can happen, yes, it's not pulling off a Klopp (~7 years at BVB), but the status quo could severely change.
Most of the top clubs want to win a title in not later than 2 seasons, we'll hear the moaning loud and clear if we become an Arsenal, imo. One should never underestimate this period of time, as i said before,
for me it's not short term. Ferguson left ~3 years ago, nowadays Manchester is blue.

Chelsea has been falling apart so far, yes, but Real Madrid under his guidance wasn't that bad,
they went to the Copa del Rey final and to the semis in Europe, ain't that bad, imo.
In the next season they won the CL, it was more or less Jose's squad, imo. 

So, what's the problem at Chelsea?
After Jose was out of job, i read something like 'it's impossible to be successful at Chelsea for 'longer',
at first you may think, what a bad loser, but then?
If you want to judge a manager fairly, you have to give him full power over the squad,
i'm under the impression something isn't right at Chelsea, generally speaking.
I was in denial for a very long time, but in the end i have come to my senses, imo^^,
some young guys should have been playing a lot more.
I was hopeful after Jose's reign and accepted that this was one of his actions why he had to leave,
but Hiddink continues in doing so and i can't get my head around it yet, is someone else calling the shots?
I watched the game against Watford full time, zero control in midfield and that's not the first time.
Some changes need to be done, we can't wait forever!
For fuck's sake we sold our Ramires for a lot of money but so far nothing's changed.

At Chelsea Mourinho didn't lose all of his players, Courtois placed himself in one corner and i think he wasn't alone, same happened at Madrid,
but yes, the majority turned their backs on him. But that's not only Jose's problem,
the club and fans have to suffer too, just because they are Divas and can't handle some heavy shit.
There are definitely some players out there who are very difficult to handle, yes, the coach is responsible in the end,
but in my eyes especially at Chelsea it's far too easy for the players, they rule the club!

What have Inter, Chelsea, Real and again Chelsea all in common?
Exactly, it's not easy to work with the board, they all have one 'mad' president who thinks he knows best or has at least some bad advisors, imo. 
I'm under the impression that at ManUnited it could be different, Ferguson's reign ended,
but the structures are still there for the taking, imo.
Maybe this time it won't end in tears, but anyway, if he could prevent a possible reign of Pep Guardiola,
his appointment shouldn't count as a failure, imo.

Final words:
I get where you're coming from but i think if Jose goes to United and wins in 2-3 years some titles it would be our loss.
This time span would be long enough to put United back on the map, some people might think differently,
but i think Jose can still attract top players, they will go to United and apart from the money having him around matters, similar to Van Persie who was devastated by Ferguson's decision to quit, but maybe you're right and we'll have a young and hungry squad like currently the Yids ready to steamroll Jose after he ran his United team into the ground...
Still, the question remains whether guys like Courtois, Hazard, Willian and others -especially Roman would accept such a tough run, we all know, when it's gone,
it's very difficult to recover and gain back the attraction from the good ol' days.
Sorry, for the excess length and the English, couldn't help myself...

Regards!

Well yes you have a great point about a manager having total control of affairs. 

But to be fair Mourinho knew that when he came the second time. There's only two clubs he would get that. Arsenal and United. 

Outside of that no team is really giving much of that who are elite unless you take over Everton or something like that. 

That's the way things are at Chelsea because of our owner. 

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

Listen, this is going to be the end for Mourinho. Mark my words here. We all know why he is taking this job. He is not coming back to prove us that he's still got it, he is coming back to go to war against Chelsea and Guardiola and this thirst of his for revenge is going to be the last nail in his coffin. We have a phrase here in Romania that sounds like this - "Revenge is a stupid man's weapon". 

He is sick and won't change. Maybe at first he will behave, but when paranoia hits him and Guardiola gets inside his head, he is finished. Guardiola is going to rip him into pieces.

Tony Pulis with money, the self proclaimed "special one" is back to spoil Guardiola's 1st season in EPL, but boy he is going to look like an absolute clown. Can't wait for it. 

[Laylabelle 9,754]

Did think he'll go there after Fergie retired and seemed a lot of Man U fans did as well...just a stop gap in between and all that.

[Fernando 6,743]

I don't know but to me I don't see neither Mourinho nor pep dominating the league for many years to come. 

This league is changing by leaps and bounds each season and all that thanks to the TV money that is so well distributed to everyone. 

Because of this situation every player and manager in the world will want to come here. And it doesn't have to be at Manchester but any team will do fine. 

Who would have thought Stoke getting the players they have gotten? 

And whats even worse for other leagues in the coming years, the "small" clubs will continue to raid and poach players from their respective clubs. Because the club will have good enough funds to build a good squad like Stoke is doing. And mark ain't the best manager out there. We will get more younger guys like pochetino coming in to challenge the established order. 

So yeah brace yourself because we are in for a fun ride. Just hope that Chelsea appoints a competent manager. 

[Pizy 19,374]

13 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I don't know but to me I don't see neither Mourinho nor pep dominating the league for many years to come. 

This league is changing by leaps and bounds each season and all that thanks to the TV money that is so well distributed to everyone. 

Because of this situation every player and manager in the world will want to come here. And it doesn't have to be at Manchester but any team will do fine. 

Who would have thought Stoke getting the players they have gotten? 

And whats even worse for other leagues in the coming years, the "small" clubs will continue to raid and poach players from their respective clubs. Because the club will have good enough funds to build a good squad like Stoke is doing. And mark ain't the best manager out there. We will get more younger guys like pochetino coming in to challenge the established order. 

So yeah brace yourself because we are in for a fun ride. Just hope that Chelsea appoints a competent manager. 

Don't think anyone will dominate points wise like Bayern, PSG, or RM/Barca do where there's enormous separation between them and the other clubs, but I can definitely see domination in terms of titles between those two if we don't appoint the right manager. 

We're the only club that can (theoretically) keep up with them financially in this league so I'd say we have the best chance of any PL side to challenge them. Again, assuming we appoint a top man.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Can't really blame him for wanting to go to the scum but at the same time, really won't look at him the same, at least while he's there.

[HD3D 1,038]

3 hours ago, Pizy said:

One of, if not the saddest part of this situation is that it'll make it seem like he's been desperate for years to take the United job as rumors have suggested since SAF left. That he only came back to Chelsea because he had no real alternatives.

Nonsense. SAF himself wrote in his book that upon speaking to Jose he realized it was useless to invite him to take his place at MU because it was clear he was going to Chelsea.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/607043/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-Manchester-United-Leading-new-book-Moyes-Rooney-Van-Gaal-Transfer-News

[Pizy 19,374]

38 minutes ago, HD3D said:

Nonsense. SAF himself wrote in his book that upon speaking to Jose he realized it was useless to invite him to take his place at MU because it was clear he was going to Chelsea.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/607043/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-Manchester-United-Leading-new-book-Moyes-Rooney-Van-Gaal-Transfer-News

It's being reported by some reputable outlets that José was in contact with United within 24 hours of us sacking him. That to me sounds like he's absolutely desperate for the job. 

[Billy. 2,742]

Jose owes us nothing, remember we sacked him twice.Good luck to him 

[Essien19 1,415]

13 minutes ago, Pizy said:

It's being reported by some reputable outlets that José was in contact with United within 24 hours of us sacking him. That to me sounds like he's AbsolutkeyAbsolutely desperate for the job. 

Why did he extend his contract then?
You're talking a lot of sense for most of the time, but in this case i think you've got it wrong, but i think we'll never know, so i have to leave it here.

[Pizy 19,374]

13 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

Why did he extend his contract then?
You're talking a lot of sense for most of the time, but in this case i think you've got it wrong, but i think we'll never know, so i have to leave it here.

Didn't he extend his contract before the season started? At that time he probably genuinely felt like he would be able to build a dynasty here and the board would back him properly. 

[Fernando 6,743]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

Don't think anyone will dominate points wise like Bayern, PSG, or RM/Barca do where there's enormous separation between them and the other clubs, but I can definitely see domination in terms of titles between those two if we don't appoint the right manager. 

We're the only club that can (theoretically) keep up with them financially in this league so I'd say we have the best chance of any PL side to challenge them. Again, assuming we appoint a top man.

Yeah but I think we might go the way of Arsenal as Pochettino is talking. All due to the stadium expansion, and we really need it. 

We just need a manager that is good enough to work with a smaller budget (Well smaller budget relative to what United can spend as we ain't that poor) and can bring youth. Would love Simeone but he ain't coming so whoever comes hopefully he understand the mission. This should have been known to Mourinho when he first came. 

If he really needs big money to win then United would be great for him as they have bigger pockets then us. We need to be more controlled till we finish with our stadium. 

[Pizy 19,374]

6 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Yeah but I think we might go the way of Arsenal as Pochettino is talking. All due to the stadium expansion, and we really need it. 

We just need a manager that is good enough to work with a smaller budget (Well smaller budget relative to what United can spend as we ain't that poor) and can bring youth. Would love Simeone but he ain't coming so whoever comes hopefully he understand the mission. This should have been known to Mourinho when he first came. 

If he really needs big money to win then United would be great for him as they have bigger pockets then us. We need to be more controlled till we finish with our stadium. 

That's probably why Pellegeino is being talked about. He'd be a yes man and a puppet that does what he's told without complaint. 

[J.F. 1,484]

Say whatever u want to say, but this is my favoritein interview ever,still love him or hate him he is the biggest Chelsea fan in the world, players fucked up - he fucked up but still he loves this club more than anything probably, and he is the only guy who had balls to say something about Chelsea and refs. For every 5 bad mistakes we have one in our favour. I wanted him badly to stay in Chelsea for 5+ years but shit happens... THE ONLY WAY IS JOSE!

 

[LDN Blue 7,903]

I've made my peace with Mourinho's legacy being dead and buried now in the history books. He won't ever walk into Chelsea again as a manager and so at least we're safe from media speculation when we seek a new manager once the newly appointed departs.

So if Mourinho now chooses to go to United, best of luck, hope he doesn't win shit. At least you know he'll come back with respect and dignity with opposition, even if he does play his inevitable mind games. Hope we beat him whenever we play him.

 

[Liquidator 5,176]

One of us indeed, Jose. 

[manpe 10,861]

Jose may find it difficult at United, because he would look like a fool complaining about referees and conspiracies at the country's darlings. He will have to alter his us-against-the-world mind games and I wonder how he will do that when Utd are basically FA's team.

[Cosmin 2,484]

Jose can piss off to United. I just hope all of his faithful ass-lickers follow him aswell. 

[sir_volrath 61]

I can't wait to see him get schooled by Guardiola again 

[Laylabelle 9,754]

Meh we sacked him.Clear he has wanted to manage there so no shock.Be interesting to see how things go from here.Defintly bound to attract top players and all that but with City with Pep hmmm.Just shame seems at the moment we'll be far from them both.Espically if we get our appointment wrong which is what tends to happen