The Mourinho Thread

[Peace. 4,352]

Do some people realize how low and trivial the level of the debates is ? It is only about :

• 'Mourinho is 'chels' more than the players' ; 'the players betrayed him' ; 'they are not leaders' ; 'They are not at their best' ; 'they are underperforming' ; 'they should re-think the way they live' 'they are mercenaries and they do not care for the club' ; 'player power' ; and so on...

It could be summed-up like this :

• we are poor because players are poor ; players are poor because they are not good ; players are not good because they betray Mourinho ; they betray Mourinho because they do not care ; they do not care because they are not 'one of us' ; they are not 'one of us' because they are mercenaries.

That's it, the cipher is complete. But what about football ??? It is a romantic and sentimental way to see the situation, yet we are a football club not 'The Young and the Restless'. Our problem is foremost a problem of football, not of passion. I do not think that anyone on here believes that, for example, Manchester City players are firm fans of the club since childhood and that they only live by and for Manchester City. That's not true. They are a bunch of mercenaries, that is, professional footballers. They are better than us because on the one hand their players are better on the ball than us, and on the other hand, because their manager create tacticts to capitalize upon their better skill with the ball.

We are bad because of football problems. We cannot string two passes together to save our lives, we don't have offensive tactic ('pass the ball to Hazard and see what happens' is not a tactic) , we do not have pattern, we do not have any sharpness, we cannot control the midfield with 6 midfielders and our players are not Messis and create instants of magic. Eventually, we play a very bad football. I do think that a lot of our players are bad (I most likely rate our squad less than a lot of you), bad there are many teams out there that have worse players than us and yet they play a better football than us.

If we (especially the board and Mourinho) are unable to think the problem beyond the basic instinct of 'passion', then we are not out of it. If we do not start thinking with football facts and analysis, we will stay in this dire situation.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Hey, hey get your own Man united fan quotes. I've got dibs on this one.

Haha fucks sake - took ages to copy and paste on my phone - kept fucking up ?

Yea it's such a good quote it needs saying twice

Also at least I referenced the quote correctly :p

[zolayes 14,489]

they might be manure fans but their posts have logic .. I doubt if many clubs would want him now , Im sure no one would get him to build a Dynasty .

notice their current manager even gives young players a chance as Klopp is doing ..

[zolayes 14,489]

Haha fucks sake - took ages to copy and paste on my phone - kept fucking up

Yea it's such a good quote it needs saying twice

Also at least I referenced the quote correctly :P

I should think there are Manure fans c/p Peace's posts as evidence for not getting him

[Muzchap 8,966]

I should think there are Manure fans c/p Peace's posts as evidence for not getting him

Yeah loving @peace's work - good to see him more active

[Pizy 18,368]

Again, just hope he goes back to Real Madrid. Seeing him at another PL club would be terrible. Even if "it's only for a few seasons" that's a few seasons where we probably won't be winning anything.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

https://youtu.be/EgQld_0vyEU

[bluephoenix 1,126]

I can't believe whatever it is that it happening inside the club no one is able to fix it.

Unrest players ? Unrest staff ? what is going ON ???

why is it that people who were once great can't reach greatness this season ? have they lost interest ?

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Interesting read on the theory of 3+ year cycles of clubs and managers and their downfalls.

The author says some things that pretty much ring true with Mourinho and Chelsea

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2012/may/02/the-question-great-teams-end

[Tomo 21,733]

Conversely, what happens if we appoint the next AVB and he fails to improve us at all? What if Mourinho goes to United (people keep deluding themselves into thinking he wouldn't go there) and makes them an unstoppable force again whilst City get Guardiola?

I'd reluctantly sack him if I was sure the future would be bright, but that would require us hiring Ancelotti/Pep/Klopp. Two of those are impossible and as of today the third looks impossible too. Every other candidate either has question marks (Hiddink, Emery, Conte etc) or are complete jokes like Juande Ramos.

I get that people want us to improve but we can't think just about the short term. What happens if next season and beyond we have to be going against a Pep led City, Mourinho led United, Wenger's Arsenal who finally look like legit contenders, a Klopp led Liverpool who will grow leaps and bounds, and now even Spuds are getting it together under Poch? We could be completely left behind and set back for years.

I myself was one of the "José out" guys after this latest result but if we're thinking about appointing one of these clown candidates then I'd rather just stick with him and give him total authority to change the squad over the next two windows.

The problem is, even if Jose goes United and wins them the league, doesn't mean letting him go here was wrong.

Were playing awful and not getting any better, we are 16th, the only thing that's keeping me clinging on at the minute is Wenger had a similar bad run in 2011 (4 wins in 18) but luckily for him and Arsenal that run was spread over the end of 10/11 and start of 11/12, whereas our bad run is in one season, funnily enough Sunderland at home ended the rot for Arsenal, maybe it will for us aswell.

But what will Jose staying now achieve? In his previous jobs his lack of long termism was justfied by the fact he djdnt want to stay long term, he always wanted to do the European tour then settle down, now he's at the job he said he wants for the rest of his career and the good moment has lasted even shorter. The one thing I always believed about Mourinho is that if we are in a rut he would quickly find a way out of it, and he hasn't.

He will go elsewhere and make an immediate impact, that's his strength, want instant success and Jose is you're man, that will guarantee him top level jobs for the rest of his career, but its all broken here, the only way we are going to feel the best moments of Jose again is if we overall two thirds of the squad which isn't practical or have him back for a third spell before he retires.

The latter sounds tempting but for now, the best thing for Chelsea and Jose is to part company, there will be alternatives out there, but right now anything other than Jose is worth trying because his second spell here is broken and not getting any better.

[Tomo 21,733]

Diego Simeone? We aren't changing the tactical aspect then, it's only the man-management, a slight plus.

The word is Simeone has grave concerns about our squad and wants massive changes if he was ever to come here.

So if he is going to be like Mourinho without the loyalty to underperforming players (never thought id ever say that line about Jose) then that suits me down to the ground.

[Kieran. 6,317]

His interview with Clare Balding is pretty hilarious lol. Still love the man.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

The word is Simeone has grave concerns about our squad and wants massive changes if he was ever to come here.

So if he is going to be like Mourinho without the loyalty to underperforming players (never thought id ever say that line about Jose) then that suits me down to the ground.

Didn't Courtois say something along the lines of Simeone and Mourinho being similar but the Atletico coach is more defensive minded?

Good grief....didn't realise that was possible

[didierforever 7,349]

Conversely, what happens if we appoint the next AVB and he fails to improve us at all? What if Mourinho goes to United (people keep deluding themselves into thinking he wouldn't go there) and makes them an unstoppable force again whilst City get Guardiola?

I'd reluctantly sack him if I was sure the future would be bright, but that would require us hiring Ancelotti/Pep/Klopp. Two of those are impossible and as of today the third looks impossible too. Every other candidate either has question marks (Hiddink, Emery, Conte etc) or are complete jokes like Juande Ramos.

I get that people want us to improve but we can't think just about the short term. What happens if next season and beyond we have to be going against a Pep led City, Mourinho led United, Wenger's Arsenal who finally look like legit contenders, a Klopp led Liverpool who will grow leaps and bounds, and now even Spuds are getting it together under Poch? We could be completely left behind and set back for years.

I myself was one of the "José out" guys

after this latest result but if we're thinking about appointing one of these clown candidates then I'd rather just stick with him and give him total authority to change the squad over the next two windows.

in that case, we should not sell jose even if we get relegated, right? cos no one else has a CV like his. what was luis enrique's CV before he joined barca? the only clown candidate is jose mourinho himself. any half decent manager in the world would be having us walking the PL. we dont have an identity, we dont have any youth integration despite hving the best youth talents in the world, and we are 16th in PL with 15 points in 16 games.

tell me on what basis do you think that jose is a better candidate to take us forward than these "clown candidates"? please give me your arguments. also, if jose is leading united next season then i will be happy cos i will know united will be a circus. yes, they will win 1 title in his firt 2 years but after that, he will tear the club down from the inside. talents like jones, smalling, martial, shaw etc etc will be DESTROYED. players like lingard who are looking so good, will suddenly not be "ready" for first team action. i am sorry but people keep giving the "it could be worse" argument, but they need to answer how it will get better under jose.

its not people who are jst thinking about short term. its our fucking manager who is doing that.

selling future stars like kdb, lukaku, selling some very good players like bertrand and mata and replacing them with cesc and luis.

[didierforever 7,349]

Didn't Courtois say something along the lines of Simeone and Mourinho being similar but the Atletico coach is more defensive minded?

Good grief....didn't realise that was possible

ATM is a very good attacking unit. watch them play. yes, they have the tendency to close shop at 1-0 and go on the counter after that, but look at them play and try to open up defenses which is generally very good and a lot of it is down to their attacking ploys.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

ATM is a very good attacking unit. watch them play. yes, they have the tendency to close shop at 1-0 and go on the counter after that, but look at them play and try to open up defenses which is generally very good and a lot of it is down to their attacking ploys.

Dont shoot the messenger....

But Simeone = hope for Costa

[didierforever 7,349]

Dont shoot the messenger....

But Simeone = hope for Costa

joe cole had said that pool is the best club in england or something like that. players say stupid things for the sake of it for their current clubs. just saying.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

joe cole had said that pool is the best club in england or something like that. players say stupid things for the sake of it for their current clubs. just saying.

Joe Cole refused to use the Liverpool script and was led into saying something he had no intention of saying

http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/27/joe-cole-says-liverpool-thought-they-were-bigger-than-chelsea-4812154/