The Mourinho Thread

[Peace. 4,352]

'All last season I did a phenomenal work and I brought them to a level that is not their level, more than they really are'

or

'this season we are doing so bad that the players for some reasons (...), clearly for some of them it's so difficult'

When it's good, it's 'I, Jose Mourinho' — when it's bad, it's 'we... i.e. the players'. This quotation sums him perfectly. It should bring discredit upon his reputation (but it won't). 'One of us' my ass.

[Muzchap 8,966]

'All last season I did a phenomenal work and I brought them to a level that is not their level, more than they really are'

or

'this season we are doing so bad that the players for some reasons (...), clearly for some of them it's so difficult'

When it's good, it's 'I, Jose Mourinho' when it's bad, it's 'we... i.e. the players'. This quotation sums him perfectly. It should bring discredit upon his reputation (but it won't). 'One of us' my ass.

Yup, quite a few posts about that but none so eloquent as this.

That's the problem - a leader puts himself on the line, even if you don't like them, you can respect them.

I think a lot our players neither like, nor respect Jose. Before anyone complains, he has only himself to blame for this.

[!Hazard! 3,394]

I'm afraid Mou has been playing this song to Roman all night.

[The Skipper 20,609]

And that is the question. He was never the man to bring stability and last for years, because he doesn't have a track record to prove it. We brought him, and put faith into his plan, and now the idea is to pull out cause things cannot be any worse. I guess it really isn;t about building a new team, it's about just updating it. When we failed to do so this year, it's going to force us to overhaul. Overhaul or sack him, and once you sack him who do we go to? Because if the idea is for the next manager to step up to the plate and provide a long term vision with stability then we're going down the same path once again.

We need to get past the stage of letting a manager dictate the future and philosophy of the club. That needs to be set at a higher level.

[robsblubot 3,595]

We need to get past the stage of letting a manager dictate the future and philosophy of the club. That needs to be set at a higher level.

Who?! Emenalo?! Our transfer policy is bad and had been bad before Jose.

Wrong emphasis and it honestly feels we help certain agents to unload their players.

[Tomo 21,754]

lukaku was 21 last season. he was already a verygood striker. he needed trust instead of being no.4 behind etoo, torres and schurlle.

and lets talk about bertrand. a perfect homegrown player to replace an already over the bridge ash. and now match after match we cry about a LB.

i was not a fan of luis, but god fucking damn it. if you want to keep just 6 proper defenders, atleast have the fucking brains to keep 6 PROPER defenders.

He got subbed on in three of the first four games, defiently something to build on.

I can understand why he wanted to leave but Jose never rated Ba and got sick of Torres come December, he would have been rotating with Eto'o all the way through the second half of 13/14.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Who?! Emenalo?! Our transfer policy is bad and had been bad before Jose.

Wrong emphasis and it honestly feels we help certain agents to unload their players.

I disagree that we've had a bad transfer policy even before Mourinho, but that's another discussion. It transcends above Emenalo. It's about the ethos and philosophy of the club. The people higher up need to decide what way we're going instead of sitting on the bench. Are we going to focus on attacking football? Or will we play reactive, Mourinho-like football, and just buy players that fit the system? Is that what we're going to stick by as a club? I'd rather us have a path that we've decided on and stick with that. We need to decide what we want as a club. Are we a team that'll use our talented academy? Or are we just using that as a profit centre? It's all very blurred right now, we have no direction as a club.

It's weird because when Mourinho arrived he kept saying how this and that was the new ethos of the club - how we wanted to develop young players and play with a high press, slick attacking football. We're seeing NONE of that though. Nothing at all.

The club just has no identity.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

We need to get past the stage of letting a manager dictate the future and philosophy of the club. That needs to be set at a higher level.

That's going to need the club to change so much at the top that they'll literally be unwilling until the club is somewhat stable. So far we were going with the Ferguson type of stability and identity, one man at the helm for x years with y philosophy developed over z years and trophies . It's hard to go the Barcelona route, where the whole club runs on a fixed identity and managers are here only to employ it, especially in the EPL it sounds really tough.

[Weckerz 3,781]

'All last season I did a phenomenal work and I brought them to a level that is not their level, more than they really are'

or

'this season we are doing so bad that the players for some reasons (...), clearly for some of them it's so difficult'

When it's good, it's 'I, Jose Mourinho' — when it's bad, it's 'we... i.e. the players'. This quotation sums him perfectly. It should bring discredit upon his reputation (but it won't). 'One of us' my ass.

Ridiculous really. Last seasons succes was down to his brilliance, this season it's the players who aren't good enough. He's basically saying he isn't as brilliant anymore, why else wouldn't he be able to replicate last year's feat?

[The Skipper 20,609]

That's going to need the club to change so much at the top that they'll literally be unwilling until the club is somewhat stable. So far we were going with the Ferguson type of stability and identity, one man at the helm for x years with y philosophy developed over z years and trophies . It's hard to go the Barcelona route, where the whole club runs on a fixed identity and managers are here only to employ it, especially in the EPL it sounds really tough.

It's tough but we have the resources to at least start something special.

You know, I would agree with the SAF model being followed a year ago but it doesn't seem like that anymore. Philosophy "y" still hasn't been established yet. I reiterate that there's just no identity at the moment in our team. It looked like we were developing one around this time last year but now? We clearly aren't sticking to that. We aren't bringing through our young talents as much as we should. We aren't playing entertaining football anymore. We aren't implementing the ideologies that Mourinho promised to bring in when he signed.

We seem to have lost the plot completely.

[Tomo 21,754]

We need to get past the stage of letting a manager dictate the future and philosophy of the club. That needs to be set at a higher level.

Managerial stabilty has always been overrated, should only happen with the right man and I was hoping it would be Jose but that ain't happening.

Southampton are the prime example ofletting go a manager who was doing ok, they risked fans wrath by sacking Adkins for Poch but look at them now.

Watford are another example, I know they didn't sack their manager (cant spell his name off by heart know he played for us in early 00s and flopped, Jokanovic, did i get it right haha) last season but would he be doing better than Flores? Cat in hells chance I reckon.

This may be controversial but I think manager sackings/changes don't happen enough. More managers keep their job when they don't deserve too/ there's someone else better that can take over than ones that get sacked harshly.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Managerial stabilty has always been overrated, should only happen with the right man and I was hoping it would be Jose but that ain't happening.

Southampton are the prime example ofletting go a manager who was doing ok, they risked fans wrath by sacking Adkins for Poch but look at them now.

Watford are another example, I know they didn't sack their manager (cant spell his name off by heart knpw hr played for us in early 00s and flopped, Jokanovic, did i get it rigjt haha) last season but would he be doing better than Flores? Cat in hells chance I reckon.

This may be controversial but I think manager sackings/changes don't happen enough. More managersa keep their job when they don't deserve too/ there's someone else better that can take over than ones that get sacled harshly.

Exactly this. Very well put Tomo. Southampton are a great example. They have much more of an identity than we do.

[The Skipper 20,609]

"We have to build a team full of talented players without the experience and the football philosophy born of having worked together for a long time, going in one direction looking for an identity. The process has to end with a team, a philosophy, an identity, a style of play. If we win a match but not in the style we're trying to build, it's three points, one step up the table but one step back in the direction of our work. What we want to do is both things at the same time. If we'd gone to Everton [on Saturday], had a very bad match and, in the last minute, Leighton Baines had scored an own goal and we'd won 1-0, would we be happy? In normal circumstances, yes, but when you're trying to build something different? No."

JM in 2013. How things have changed. We believed in him building something special here, with an identity, with a certain style of play. It was more than Mourinho. It was what we as a club set to do. It's certainly not that anymore though. It seems like we're Jose Mourinho FC more than Chelsea FC right now. The club is being built in his image - rather than what we wanted before.

People aren't just unhappy that we aren't playing in a certain way for no reason. Jose alluded to this himself. We wanted to be more than a team that wins. We wanted to win in style. We wanted to develop our young superstars into bonafide superstars. We wanted to bring through academy players.

We do not do this anymore, at all.

[stroey 2,525]

Henry and Fabregas discuss Chelsea's woes

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10101024/henry-and-fabregas-discuss-chelseas-woes

[robsblubot 3,595]

I disagree that we've had a bad transfer policy even before Mourinho, but that's another discussion. It transcends above Emenalo. It's about the ethos and philosophy of the club. The people higher up need to decide what way we're going instead of sitting on the bench. Are we going to focus on attacking football? Or will we play reactive, Mourinho-like football, and just buy players that fit the system? Is that what we're going to stick by as a club? I'd rather us have a path that we've decided on and stick with that. We need to decide what we want as a club. Are we a team that'll use our talented academy? Or are we just using that as a profit centre? It's all very blurred right now, we have no direction as a club.

It's weird because when Mourinho arrived he kept saying how this and that was the new ethos of the club - how we wanted to develop young players and play with a high press, slick attacking football. We're seeing NONE of that though. Nothing at all.

The club just has no identity.

Mostly agree, but unfortunately I think we do have an identity - it's just not a very nice once nor is it compatible with the satature of the club.

There was a funny bit on twitter, prob already posted here - goes something like this:

Mourinho's seasons:

Step 1: buy the bus

Step 2: park the bus

Step 3: throw the players under the bus

I think #3 is actually the other way around, but players do tend to stop doing what Jose asks of them. Is it because he asks too much? Is it style? Work rate? The pattern is there.

[Rmpr 8,977]

My mom used to say that (obviously not about stale milk but something like "finish your plate, there are kids starving in Africa..") and I always thought: and how exactly does me feeling stuffed to the point of sickness help these children?!

I will show you how your mum has forward thinking...

If you are filled up you will take more time eat thus making you need more food overall in your day. Then with this, next time you go buy food might be delayed by a day or two and so on. So, overall you will end up consuming less food (and waisting less).

Your mum is more of a genius than you think!

[lucio 5,418]

Mostly agree, but unfortunately I think we do have an identity - it's just not a very nice once nor is it compatible with the satature of the club.

There was a funny bit on twitter, prob already posted here - goes something like this:

Mourinho's seasons:

Step 1: buy the bus

Step 2: park the bus

Step 3: throw the players under the bus

I think #3 is actually the other way around, but players do tend to stop doing what Jose asks of them. Is it because he asks too much? Is it style? Work rate? The pattern is there.

it's because he dosen't give them anything to work with, literally depending on a set piece, a perfect through ball by cesc, or a solo effort from hazard to score. his set up is pure garbage, how can anyone expect the players to be performing

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

JM in 2013. How things have changed. We believed in him building something special here, with an identity, with a certain style of play. It was more than Mourinho. It was what we as a club set to do. It's certainly not that anymore though. It seems like we're Jose Mourinho FC more than Chelsea FC right now. The club is being built in his image - rather than what we wanted before.

People aren't just unhappy that we aren't playing in a certain way for no reason. Jose alluded to this himself. We wanted to be more than a team that wins. We wanted to win in style. We wanted to develop our young superstars into bonafide superstars. We wanted to bring through academy players.

We do not do this anymore, at all.

Thank you.

I remember this quote but more in general. This though says things in the face value. Jose and our team was rocking when we scrapped wins against QPR, Stoke, Hull, Man Utd last season. And how absolutely joyful was everyone when we drew 0-0 against Arsenal. This message clearly didn't get through to the players.

On the serious note, I think yes, that was an idea, initially, but things have changed I believe after loss to Sunderland in COC in December 2013 when Jose said that winning 1:0 is the easiest way in football and they may be forced to do this. Then we sold Mata and KdB, our two flair players, after first good offer.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

It was the last time I was expecting a message this season. There were few times already but I thought sitting beneath Newcastle and Bournemouth in the table will be final nail in the coffin. I'm surprised to be honest but now I believe this will last at least until the summer.

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Henry and Fabregas discuss Chelsea's woes

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10101024/henry-and-fabregas-discuss-chelseas-woes

That's exactly what I'm feeling right now. Mourinho has a big mouth and is a provocative egoist but the players are being let too easily when we look at this situation and also situations of the past. Both camps need to reevaluate their approach and there is literally nothing to lose. We wont go down and we better not get Europa League qualification for the next season. So in the light of that, it does not matter if we finish 6th or 17th. The higher the position the better, of course. It can not be purely tactical fopa week in week out, so if we do get a new manager - will he be given enough time to even stamp his authority on the team? Mourinho is the only one with this kind of luxury to fail and hopefully try again next season with a new approach. We wont and cant do miracles in January.