The Mourinho Thread

[lionsden 4,689]

I for one don't. He's the most overrated manager ever imho. At what point does his "Gentleman persona" make up for his horrible league performances year after year after year at the biggest clubs across Europe. Also don't forget the Ray Wilkins fallout happened under his watch. (not saying he was responsible for his dismissal, but he is responsible for the results that followed.)

But I agree generally that it's getting annoying always having one major Negative PR story surround our club. Every manager has had one, but JM loves stirring the pot even when it doesn't need to be touched at all. I'm just surprised he always has the energy to create a conflict at any given moment, doesn't it get tiring?

And that's precisely why I miss ancelotti. yes success is arguably the most important factor in football but at what cost?.

[zolayes 14,489]

And that's precisely why I miss ancelotti. yes success is arguably the most important factor in football but at what cost?.

wasnt Carlo the total failure who led us to the League and FA cup double ...????

[TheIceMan 596]

some of us were fans before Jose arrived , I was probably a fan before you , SO GET SOME FUCKING TIME IN.. I support Chelsea 100 % even when Mourhinho

makes it difficult

Yes you are! But probably because you're older than me like a lot! But the first man which I saw as Chelsea manager Is Raniery since than my love for the club has never died! After he left also I supported every one manager since, even Benitez I'm not some Mourinho fanboy but hated on him and callling him names is disrespectfull to the club! I'm not sayin if you don't support Mourinho you don't support Chelsea but the two are very strongly conencted!

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Or maybe she actually was just thanking fans for their support? She has a huge following and the positive support she got must have been overwhelming. You have no idea as to her intentions, so please stop pretending like you do.

Where was this thanking months ago?

[lionsden 4,689]

wasnt Carlo the total failure who led us to the League and FA cup double ...????

You must be mistaking Ancelotti for someone else. Carlo has never won a major trophy in his career let alone at Chelsea

[zolayes 14,489]

Yes you are! But probably because you're older than me like a lot! But the first man which I saw as Chelsea manager Is Raniery since than my love for the club has never died! After he left also I supported every one manager since, even Benitez I'm not some Mourinho fanboy but hated on him and callling him names is disrespectfull to the club! I'm not sayin if you don't support Mourinho you don't support Chelsea but the two are very strongly conencted!

you posted this ....

If you Don't like and Don't support Mourinho GTFO!!!

[cosmicway 1,333]

A fire extinguisher is needed before it's too late.

I don't agree with the deflection theory because we have n't started yet and M. City talk of 9-0 score.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Why are people saying she is getting demoted for doing her job? If that was the case Jon Fearn would have also got demoted. She's been demoted because of her stupid Facebook post. She made it about herself instead of the "medical team".

[The Mak 4,459]

All I'll say is that things aren't always black and white. I don't want José to get sacked obviously, but it doesn't change the fact that he's acted like a knob here. HE was the one who brought this into the media - shouting on the touchline, talking about it afterwards and doing nothing to try and remedy the situation since. He aired his dirty laundry in public and now we as a club are paying the price with this sort of garbage in the press.

It also doesn't change the fact that Eva knew what she was doing with that Facebook post, it was kind of like poking a lion with a stick, and it's just made everything that much worse for the entire club.

I'd just like the circus to be over as soon as possible. We have an important game to focus on and it would be great if we didn't have shit like this in the press that has the potential to be an unnecessary distraction - maybe José wants this, but it also has the potential to backfire. Either that or I also wouldn't mind if they just give José the money to sign someone. It would keep the fans happy and it would stop José throwing his toys out of the pram!

[HRiver 1,512]

Yeah, because embarrassing your staff doesn't matter as long as you win.

Uh, I wasn't even referring to the Eva Carneiro case, which I find to be of very little importance, I'm more concerned with how Mourinho handles the squad from a tactical point of view. "He's not happy", "bad transfer window", "our football is negative", "one title in three years is not enough" (even if the third year has only just started)... you know, that kind of criticism. I want him to prove these people wrong.

[zolayes 14,489]

CITY destroyed West Brom .... Pullis states it was HIS fault , HE made a tactical mistake ,, So refreshing .

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Cant believe how many fans are getting their knickers in a twist over the medias 'Doctorgate'.

Reminiscent of a certain Northern club that would be having a minutes silence and a 'Justice for Eva' campaign

[cosmicway 1,333]

Jose the Wenger eater we all loved has slipped low by stepping onto a little kitten.

I 'm sure he has repented now and he oughta come out and say it.

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

CITY destroyed West Brom .... Pullis states it was HIS fault , HE made a tactical mistake ,, So refreshing .

So? What's your point? Mourinho also took the blame for results on several occasions. And he didn't blame anyone for Swansea' result.

[zolayes 14,489]

So? What's your point? Mourinho also took the blame for results on several occasions. And he didn't blame anyone for Swansea' result.

I thought he was blaming our medics ,, Please remind me of when Jose took all the blame for a defeat.

[Special Juan 28,140]

The club dragged through the fucking mud once again when things like this are easily dealt with behind closed doors.

It started with Mourinho's actions and continued with her fucking tweet or whatever it was. It's headline news now, and very easily avoided.

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

I thought he was blaming our medics ,, Please remind me of when Jose took all the blame for a defeat.

Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho says he should take the blame for his team's Champions League 2-1 defeat by Basel.

Oscar put the home side ahead but Mohamed Salah equalised for Basel and Marco Streller headed in a late winner.

"When we lose I don't speak about the players or individuals, I speak about my responsibility," said Mourinho. "I am responsible."

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And, no, he did not blame medics for the result in any aspect.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

The club dragged through the fucking mud once again when things like this are easily dealt with behind closed doors.

It started with Mourinho's actions and continued with her fucking tweet or whatever it was. It's headline news now, and very easily avoided.

Nobody, at least in the media, is talking about the shocking performance of Fabregas and Ivanovic though.

Jose has done a pretty amazing protecting the players this week against probably the toughest match of the season..

[Special Juan 28,140]

Nobody, at least in the media, is talking about the shocking performance of Fabregas and Ivanovic though.

Jose has done a pretty amazing protecting the players this week against probably the toughest match of the season..

Mourinho didn't need to act like he did, he made the media ask a question on why he went crazy. Eva also didn't need to take to social media, because once you do it's completely petrol on the fire.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

(a) Okay, first point Alex.. This is a common canard that is inapplicable in this situation. Are you trying to suggest that Jose losing his rag on the touchline was all part of a "deflection". Or that Dr.Carneiro's suspension (or expulsion) from the team bench, team hotels and practice sessions is one grand deflection? Of course not.

Let's address the elephant in the room, guys. Mourinho has an almighty ego and self importance about him. He also has an uncontrollable rage. He could easily have diffused the situation, but chose to escalate it. That isn't a deflection. That's public scape-goating. And he's done it with Hazard before after we got crushed by Atletico Madrid in the semis. Remember? It was clear to me then that Mourinho will go great lengths to cover his own backside and that he has no respect for even the people that give him so much.

(ii) No. I simply meant that whatever Mourinho told the team at half time was innefectual and actually resulted in making the team play worse. I also meant that anyone who has been paying close attention to Chelsea in the last few months would have noticed that pattern.

One good half. One bad half. It's either the team isn't ready in the 1st half or the team begins to play much worse in the 2nd after a good 1st half. It's becoming too frequent to not be part of a larger problem.

[a] Firstly, we can only deal with the facts. We don't know whether Eva will be on the bench or not on Sunday; this could all be hearsay. What we do know is José has publicly called her out, which I have already said I totally disagree with. However, look at what the media are talking about. They're spouting bollocks about a "crisis" and focusing on off-the-pitch antics rather than what happened on the pitch on Sunday. That, you can say, is a successful deflection away from his side, which is the most important element of the club. José losing it on the touchline was stupid, but I firmly believe he has purposefully made the comments he has made to keep the press talking about some imaginary "feud" that will all be forgotten should we blow City away on Sunday, which, amidst all this furore, is looking increasingly possible.

Mourinho has an almighty ego and that is to the benefit of the club. He makes sure the papers are focused on him. Would we have had such a slump in Ancelotti's second season if he had a Mourinho-esque attitude? The papers certainly wouldn't have been scapegoating individual players if all the attention had have been on him. With regards to your point about José berating Hazard - I'd say that's actually counter-productive to your argument. The season after that dressing down, Hazard goes on to win the Player of the Year award. With Mata, too - José told him what he had to do to earn his place back in the side. Mata didn't oblige. José uses the press extremely effectively, but he consistently takes a risky attitude towards the situation as it can, like in this episode, backfire somewhat.

As for your second point which you are basing on the evidence of one Premier League match (you surely can't be referring to games during the second half of last season; we were consistently superior in the second half of matches from January onwards, compared to the first half of the season where we'd dominate the first 45 minutes and fade away, which cost us in games vs United, City, Newcastle, etc.), there is absolutely no point even discussing it. You can't possibly bring pre-season matches into the equation. And, until more fitness is achieved, of course the players are going to look jaded and performances will drop in the second half of matches. These are people, not machines. Mental fitness + physical fitness = match fitness. And since it will be weeks before the players achieve physical fitness, let alone mental fitness, we're a long way from the outcome of that equation. Let's analyse first half and second half performances once the team has eased itself into the season.

I can't really be bothered going into much more detail than this as I'm tired and have had a stressful day - we'll have to agree to disagree. I just think José has acted very deliberately to move the attentions of the press away from his unfit and underperforming players (on the basis of Sunday's game). What I don't appreciate is people (this isn't aimed at you; it's aimed at others) accusing people such as me as being pro-Mourinho and backing him when he's in the wrong. He's quite clearly ended up with egg on his face here, but I believe he's manipulated the situation to make sure people aren't talking about how useless Hazard was, about how diabolical Ivanovic was, about how vulnerable the centre-backs seemed, and how (un)fit Fabregas and Matic looked. I suppose the point I'm trying to arrive at is that what's been said has been said, and there's no point denigrating the man who led us to a Double last season. That's even more daft than Mourinho's rant. But let's be honest here, the person who turned this into a full-blown war was Eva and her poorly timed Facebook status. Let's not blow smoke up anyone's arse. I might read this post back in a week and disagree with myself, but for the time being I see no reason to hail Mourinho as the Anti-Christ as so many seem hellbent on doing.

I thought he was blaming our medics ,, Please remind me of when Jose took all the blame for a defeat.

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