The Mourinho Thread

[Barbara 15,149]

dude, please dont let this forum's prejudice rub off you.

ramires was very good last night.both of our best chances in the 1st half came through him. i think he had a couple of important interceptions, many tackles and was one of the reasons why our right hand side seemed more secure than our left. after willian he was our best player. players like ramires, can do their job. they can provide us soliditiy and balance but never the spark. they cant be the difference in the match. that is what hazard, cesc, matic and costa are for. one of them was injured and 3 of them had stinkers. azpi seemed way off the pace and iva was more hell bent giving the ball to arsenal than keeping it for us.

so, i honestly dont think its down to rambo/mikel and i definitely dont see the point of giving RLC those minutes when he has shown nothing so far.

You meant Ramires lost two of the best chances we had. A+ for his positioning, but those were two chances we should have scored in addition to Eden's. He had a good match but mentioning his misses is a negative, not a way to justify his good match

[didierforever 7,349]

I also didnt think Ramires was bad. But do you think Ramires playing every big game is the way to go?

if we leave out this glorified friendly, why should not i think so?

2012 PL - double over city, double over pool, draw and win against united, draw and win against arsenal

2013 PL - draw and win against city, draw and win against pool, draw and win against united, draw and win against arsenal.

i definitely wont worry about it.

also, i am not saying, that we dont need a new CM. if selling one of rambo/mikel means getting a witsel, i am all in. but our problems is more than just rambo.

it is worrying how cesc massively under-performs every big game. people will come out with stats saying that this is not the case, but i say BULLSHIT.

cesc was poor yesterday as he has been in most of our big games. he is a quality player and will always have a moment of magic, just like that pass to hazard yesterday. if that had gone in, cesc would have had an assist, but did his overall performance still merit more than a 5/10? hell no. he lost the ball countless time, defensively as a no.10 and provinding support to matic and rambo, he was AWOL. and this happens almost every big game. yet we change our formation every big game, as much to accomodate cesc's defensive deficiencies as to play safe.

so again, i think rambo is the way to go. infact a midfield trio of rambo-matic-witsel (i keep reverting back to a traditonal 4-3-3)would be a very very good option. otherwise, i would not mind cesc being dropped as oscar being trusted for once in a big match.

[didierforever 7,349]

You meant Ramires lost two of the best chances we had. A+ for his positioning, but those were two chances we should have scored in addition to Eden's. He had a good match but mentioning his misses is a negative, not a way to justify his good match

fair enough.

but it was just to show that he was our best and probably only outlet.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

From The Guardian Daily Email.

Following a week in which he childishly criticised another manager’s weight, José Mourinho could scarcely have been more dignified. The Chelsea manager patiently waited at the bottom of the Wembley steps to shake the hand of each and every Arsenal player as they returned from collecting their medals, with some cynics suggesting it was all the better to draw attention to the manner in which he turned away from Arsène Wenger.

He needn’t have bothered; descending the steps behind his players, the Arsenal manager appeared to be visibly distracted by something going on to his left, some unspecified incident that appeared to demand his urgent attention … even if other cynics would later suggest it was all the better to veer out of range of the handshake that was not being offered by his opposite number. José Mourinho is 52 years old. Arsène Wenger is 65 years old.

In pubs, on radio phone-ins and all over the internet, people with far too much time on their own hands, used those hands to point fingers in the direction of both men in the clamour to judge who exactly was behaving more like a petulant six-year-old. While Chelsea fans might disagree, their manager appears to have edged it on points for expecting us all to believe, in the face of all visual evidence to the contrary, that his was the better team on the day and that, in defending their own goal while 1-0 up, Arsenal had committed some grave act of despicably unsportsmanlike behaviour to rank up their with that of an American weirdo shooting an unarmed lion with a crossbow. After all, this philosophy of defending your own goal while 1-0 up is not a tactic Mourinho would ever dream of embracing.

“A team that leave their philosophy in the dressing room, and change their attitude and their philosophy, and accumulate 10 players behind the ball every time, play all the second half with nine players in front of the box – this is football, this is very good tactical organisation,” miaowed José, suggesting the only way in which Arsenal could beat his team was by flying in the face of everything they stand for and playing like his team. Of course anyone with a modicum of football intelligence knows deep down that Arsenal’s betrayal of their heritage wasn’t the only reason for Chelsea’s defeat. As their manager was quick to point out, the pitch and weather also conspired against them

[bethos1 802]

fair enough.

but it was just to show that he was our best and probably only outlet.

Imo that just goes to show how bad we were, if Ramires is your best outlet you know you're going to have a rough time

[obiwan92 217]

From The Guardian Daily Email.

Following a week in which he childishly criticised another manager’s weight, José Mourinho could scarcely have been more dignified. The Chelsea manager patiently waited at the bottom of the Wembley steps to shake the hand of each and every Arsenal player as they returned from collecting their medals, with some cynics suggesting it was all the better to draw attention to the manner in which he turned away from Arsène Wenger.

He needn’t have bothered; descending the steps behind his players, the Arsenal manager appeared to be visibly distracted by something going on to his left, some unspecified incident that appeared to demand his urgent attention … even if other cynics would later suggest it was all the better to veer out of range of the handshake that was not being offered by his opposite number. José Mourinho is 52 years old. Arsène Wenger is 65 years old.

In pubs, on radio phone-ins and all over the internet, people with far too much time on their own hands, used those hands to point fingers in the direction of both men in the clamour to judge who exactly was behaving more like a petulant six-year-old. While Chelsea fans might disagree, their manager appears to have edged it on points for expecting us all to believe, in the face of all visual evidence to the contrary, that his was the better team on the day and that, in defending their own goal while 1-0 up, Arsenal had committed some grave act of despicably unsportsmanlike behaviour to rank up their with that of an American weirdo shooting an unarmed lion with a crossbow. After all, this philosophy of defending your own goal while 1-0 up is not a tactic Mourinho would ever dream of embracing.

“A team that leave their philosophy in the dressing room, and change their attitude and their philosophy, and accumulate 10 players behind the ball every time, play all the second half with nine players in front of the box – this is football, this is very good tactical organisation,” miaowed José, suggesting the only way in which Arsenal could beat his team was by flying in the face of everything they stand for and playing like his team. Of course anyone with a modicum of football intelligence knows deep down that Arsenal’s betrayal of their heritage wasn’t the only reason for Chelsea’s defeat. As their manager was quick to point out, the pitch and weather also conspired against them

I love how Guardian takes a negative interpretation of his statement when it could have just as easily been seen as a compliment for finally adopting a more flexible football philosophy.

[cfcs most wanted 657]

Mourinho should really check his behaviour,throwing the medal into the crowd is really a sign of disrespect to English Football and he should apologise to the FA. Love him but this was truly unprofessional.

[xPetrCechx 13,572]

Mourinho should really check his behaviour,throwing the medal into the crowd is really a sign of disrespect to English Football and he should apologise to the FA. Love him but this was truly unprofessional.

I think Mou was right... no place for second place medals...

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

Let's be honest Mourinho and Wenger don't come out of yesterday very well. They were both petulant and it's all unnecessary just shake hands that's the end of it. Boxers knock the living shit out of each other yet touch gloves in the final round and embrace each other after the fight. And the early handshake by Mourinho is rubbing the opponents nose in it. Win or lose shake hands at the end of the game and do your gloating or moaning after the game.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Let's be honest Mourinho and Wenger don't come out of yesterday very well. They were both petulant and it's all unnecessary just shake hands that's the end of it. Boxers knock the living shit out of each other yet touch gloves in the final round and embrace each other after the fight. And the early handshake by Mourinho is rubbing the opponents nose in it. Win or lose shake hands at the end of the game and do your gloating or moaning after the game.

Only in football is it so trivial the matters of a handshake lol. I really think they should scrap the whole handshake nonsense before a game so we don't have such matters being called 'news'. Media loves to publicise a non-existent handshake & as you said, neither party comes out well from it.

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

Mourinho should really check his behaviour,throwing the medal into the crowd is really a sign of disrespect to English Football and he should apologise to the FA. Love him but this was truly unprofessional.

Yeap, this kid has been truly offended by Mourinho's disgusting behaviour.

[Laylabelle 9,536]

Let's be honest Mourinho and Wenger don't come out of yesterday very well. They were both petulant and it's all unnecessary just shake hands that's the end of it. Boxers knock the living shit out of each other yet touch gloves in the final round and embrace each other after the fight. And the early handshake by Mourinho is rubbing the opponents nose in it. Win or lose shake hands at the end of the game and do your gloating or moaning after the game.

it's all a bit daft.do love the guy but just wait till the whistle ain't like it's ever far off.no drama,hand shake move on etc

[Fernando 6,585]

Don't think people should blame the board about transfer.

I think this season is when Mourinho most gamble on youth.

Simple as that.

If not we are not going to get anywhere.

[Jase 43,479]

Don't think people should blame the board about transfer.

I think this season is when Mourinho most gamble on youth.

Simple as that.

If not we are not going to get anywhere.

Yes, but no one is asking the Mourinho/the club to buy like 4-5 players. We just need 1-2 signings to improve the starting XI, that won't harm the youth players' chances of getting into the first team, especially if we were to sell some of the dead woods and buy new players. And speaking of youth players, is Mourinho even interested in integrating them? He has talked so much about it but yet, we haven't really seen him do that in pre-season. He used a few against New York Red Bulls but hardly any against PSG and Barcelona (is he afraid because it's PSG and Barcelona?). I understand we started pre-season late and needed to get all the first team players up to scratch but if some of the youth players are going to be part of Mourinho's plan, like he has claimed on numerous occasions, you would have expected him to use and trust them more. Right now, it feels what he has said is just for show, which I guess it shouldn't be a surprise given it's Mourinho, and the youth players will only get game time in cup matches or some dead rubber Champions League games.

[Fernando 6,585]

Yes, but no one is asking the Mourinho/the club to buy like 4-5 players. We just need 1-2 signings to improve the starting XI, that won't harm the youth players' chances of getting into the first team, especially if we were to sell some of the dead woods and buy new players. And speaking of youth players, is Mourinho even interested in integrating them? He has talked so much about it but yet, we haven't really seen him do that in pre-season. He used a few against New York Red Bulls but hardly any against PSG and Barcelona (is he afraid because it's PSG and Barcelona?). I understand we started pre-season late and needed to get all the first team players up to scratch but if some of the youth players are going to be part of Mourinho's plan, like he has claimed on numerous occasions, you would have expected him to use and trust them more. Right now, it feels what he has said is just for show, which I guess it shouldn't be a surprise given it's Mourinho, and the youth players will only get game time in cup matches or some dead rubber Champions League games.

Well that's what I feel like it might happen.

A season where we should have integrated youth but we don't.

Instead we continue using the same lineup and fatiguing ourselves.

And thus it will more then likely cost us.

Then mourinho will get angry with the board, and then the board worried because Mourinho lack of youth involvement....

In the end a manager the wants to stay for a long time must take risks!

If Mourinho indeed is here for just 3 to 4 years before he gets into a schism with the board/owner then he will not care much about youth integration.

[Blue Armour 4,448]

Yes, but no one is asking the Mourinho/the club to buy like 4-5 players. We just need 1-2 signings to improve the starting XI, that won't harm the youth players' chances of getting into the first team, especially if we were to sell some of the dead woods and buy new players. And speaking of youth players, is Mourinho even interested in integrating them? He has talked so much about it but yet, we haven't really seen him do that in pre-season. He used a few against New York Red Bulls but hardly any against PSG and Barcelona (is he afraid because it's PSG and Barcelona?). I understand we started pre-season late and needed to get all the first team players up to scratch but if some of the youth players are going to be part of Mourinho's plan, like he has claimed on numerous occasions, you would have expected him to use and trust them more. Right now, it feels what he has said is just for show, which I guess it shouldn't be a surprise given it's Mourinho, and the youth players will only get game time in cup matches or some dead rubber Champions League games.

Exactly. It doesn't seem things are in sync. If the expectation from the board for Mourinho to look to his reserves to make up for squad deficiencies, it still doesn't look he wants to try some of them in coming matches...

I really hope we bring in at least one player to reinforce any one of the key positions in midfield/defense.

[Unionjack 7,531]

Let's be honest Mourinho and Wenger don't come out of yesterday very well. They were both petulant and it's all unnecessary just shake hands that's the end of it. Boxers knock the living shit out of each other yet touch gloves in the final round and embrace each other after the fight. And the early handshake by Mourinho is rubbing the opponents nose in it. Win or lose shake hands at the end of the game and do your gloating or moaning after the game.

I agree mate.

I love banter and taking the piss out of mates that support the north Londoners and Ive wound my best mate up to the point we have had a skuffle but its only close to or on match day and we laugh about it after. I totally understand and love how Mou gets behind us and stands up for the lads and I really dont mind him taking the piss as long as its just tongue in cheek with a wink and a cheeky grin.

As for transfers/youth inclusion etc we really dont know what sort of discussions hes had with Roman do we. All we can do is guess, making our own minds up about things we dont know. And of course we will jump to different conclusions.

But it seems hes opting for youngish lads thats shown promise in regular football for a season or twp who will be ready to play together when the old defenders shoot off. And I THINK I would prefer that to the academy lads we have tried upto now. IMHO they have been over rated.

Ive no idea what the fucks going on and admittedly Im worried. But maybe it might just need a season of cockups to get the people making decisions on the same page.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

I've got the feeling, Mourinho take the Community Shield as the pre-test match. Yes he want to win, yes it's not a friendly, but it's less important than PL match.

The real test would be the first game of PL and starting from there.

[CMS 382]

Mourinho should really check his behaviour,throwing the medal into the crowd is really a sign of disrespect to English Football and he should apologise to the FA. Love him but this was truly unprofessional.

Sorry, you're way off base on this. If you you really know JM, this is not the first time, he's thrown his winning medals into the stands.

[Jase 43,479]

Mourinho has issues with youth players, doesn't he?

He said this about Solanke last season...

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jose-mourinho-would-big-mistake-9116007

“His experience this season has been magnificent.

“In my opinion, next year, he has two ways to go. One would be a big mistake and another one is the correct direction.

“To go on loan for a Championship team, or to another team in England or in Europe, would be a big mistake.

“Staying at Chelsea, training with the first-team, having pre-season with the first-team, some periods cover to the main strikers, playing for the U21s and U18s every week.

“I think he would never need to go out on loan and just go step by step here and in a couple of years he’ll be a first-team player.

“When there is a player like Solanke or Loftus-Cheek, this kind of player that we know for sure they have potential to play for Chelsea one day, I think when they are so young it is better for them to stay and develop at Chelsea.”

But now, looks like Solanke is heading out to Vitesse on loan. Starting training with them ahead of the move - http://www.vitesse.nl/nl/nieuws/detail/5143/dominic-solanke-traint-mee-bij-vitesse(it's in Dutch)