The Mourinho Thread

[didierforever 7,349]

Every big club plays with exactly the same objective but the process in which this objective is achieved is what makes a team boring or exciting and I'm sure everyone understands this but just playing dumb for the sake of defending jose.

hmmm.. so the only way to achieve an objective is attacking and glorious football.

this is so bloody strange. did not liverpool just need a point against us which we would have been so happy to give them and take one in return. yet, somehow they set out to meet their "objective" in the only way you deem it good enough to be accomplished. and see where it got them. oh well, dont let facts and realism knock you on your ass. lets all just play fifa/FM and set our team as a mindblowing attacking unit.

also, i am not sure how much of a club's mentality actually becomes a fan's mentality. but i feel there is some truth to it. in the past 2 weeks i have seen united and arsenal fans so vehemently say that we would rather take playing beautiful football than winning at the cost of defensive football. makes you think about the objectives does not it? i mean people at RM were not happy with jose even after the 2nd year where he won the la liga cos he pplayed counter attacking football.

and now we come down to our problem, 2 games against probably the 2 most inform PL teams. a 37 year old striker playing 135 minutes of those 180 minutes. 20 minutes played by a player who definitely looked like he had a concussion and in the remaining 25 minutes, we probably should have had 3 penalties. boring chelsea, indeed.

[didierforever 7,349]

The 5,000 word thesis or should I say interview that he recently gave on the matter for starters. Someone who doesn't give a damn would never try that hard to defend his approach to the point of trying to reinvent the definition of the beautiful game.

it was a press conference. he did not give an interview. he did not personally go and ask a channel to take his views.

journalists asked him about his opinion about people calling his team boring and he said the exact thing that i feel he thinks.

again, if you would have read his comments, you would have known that he did not try and reinvent anything. just said that sometimes, pragmatism is the best approach and how goals and not possession is the most important thing in football. nothin that a 4 year old watching football would not know, but unfortunately, a lot of "experienced" "fans" have lost sight of that.

[lionsden 4,689]

hmmm.. so the only way to achieve an objective is attacking and glorious football.

this is so bloody strange. did not liverpool just need a point against us which we would have been so happy to give them and take one in return. yet, somehow they set out to meet their "objective" in the only way you deem it good enough to be accomplished. and see where it got them. oh well, dont let facts and realism knock you on your ass. lets all just play fifa/FM and set our team as a mindblowing attacking unit.

also, i am not sure how much of a club's mentality actually becomes a fan's mentality. but i feel there is some truth to it. in the past 2 weeks i have seen united and arsenal fans so vehemently say that we would rather take playing beautiful football than winning at the cost of defensive football. makes you think about the objectives does not it? i mean people at RM were not happy with jose even after the 2nd year where he won the la liga cos he pplayed counter attacking football.

and now we come down to our problem, 2 games against probably the 2 most inform PL teams. a 37 year old striker playing 135 minutes of those 180 minutes. 20 minutes played by a player who definitely looked like he had a concussion and in the remaining 25 minutes, we probably should have had 3 penalties. boring chelsea, indeed.

Who said or insinuated such?

[empire of emotions 247]

How can anyone claim Arsene should get manager of the year??? What has he done to deserve it? Going out in the second round of the Champions league, again? Not finishing fourth for god knows how long? Hardly an achievement, since they would have ended up there if both Manchester clubs would have played up to their standards.

Don't get all they hype about Arsenal, even with their good run it's been a pretty standard year for them. Expect more of the same from them same next season Some injuries for key players (like Coquelin) without backup during some part of the year, which in turn will lead to massive points loss, which they can't make up for to mount to a decent title challenge

they're finally a title contender (if you can call it like that) after million years. that's the hype.

but i'm sure they will be 4th next year again.

[Jase 43,479]

yes you do. Every big teams are expected to crush and bully majority of the smaller/inferior teams around. It's your performance and approach in the big games and big tournaments that reputations are built on. You can't only play exciting football against canon fodders and expect people to give you the credit when that's the bare minimum that's expected of you. Actually going toe to toe with a team closer to you in terms of talent and ability is the true mark of great and exciting teams. Was Pep's Barcelona team's reputation built on their performance against teams like Hercules,Almeria and co or was it built on their demolition of Mouirinho's Madrid and Fergie's united et al while playing excellent football to boot? Answer that question truthfully.

Big teams are expected to crush the smaller sides but why should one take that for granted though? And Guardiola forged the reputation at Barcelona based on the performances in all of the games. To say it's built on just certain games is nonsense.

[lionsden 4,689]

they're finally a title contender (if you can call it like that) after million years. that's the hype.

but i'm sure they will be 4th next year again.

Manager of the year has to be Koeman. he's exceeded all expectation and even defied logic. Most people had them down as relegation candidates before the start of the season after losing the nucleus of their team. He's turned them into a contender for top 5 finish, in his first season no less.

[empire of emotions 247]

Manager of the year has to be Koeman. he's exceeded all expectation and even defied logic. Most people had them down as relegation candidates before the start of the season after losing the nucleus of their team. He's turned them into a contender for top 5 finish, in his first season no less.

i dont care what did koeman, pearson or other fucker did. since when is it a bigger achievement staying in the league over winning the league. and winning it with a minimum of 10+ pts ahead of the second place. in a strong and even league like the pl it's an award worthy success.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

I don't think Jose will get it. City and Chelsea were pretty much nailed down champions. Koeman on the other hand had the toughest task, it should be his.

[DYC. 7,542]

Mourinho or Koeman for me. Mourinho would win more votes and receive more credit if he was more likeable, that's just how the world works.

[Barbara 15,149]

i dont care what did koeman, pearson or other fucker did. since when is it a bigger achievement staying in the league over winning the league. and winning it with a minimum of 10+ pts ahead of the second place. in a strong and even league like the pl it's an award worthy success.

Since it fits their views and opinions... also, people were exaggerating saying Soton were relegation candidates (but not surprising based on what they normally assume/predict) ... I do think Koeman did great and exceeded the expectations and I'm inclined to believe he'll get it. Jose doesn't care about it though and will bag home the award that really matters.

[didierforever 7,349]

Since it fits their views and opinions... also, people were exaggerating saying Soton were relegation candidates (but not surprising based on what they normally assume/predict) ... I do think Koeman did great and exceeded the expectations and I'm inclined to believe he'll get it. Jose doesn't care about it though and will bag home the award that really matters.

top of the table since day1, not a single manager of the month award.

what makes people think that jose even has a chance with this award.

[lionsden 4,689]

i dont care what did koeman, pearson or other fucker did. since when is it a bigger achievement staying in the league over winning the league. and winning it with a minimum of 10+ pts ahead of the second place. in a strong and even league like the pl it's an award worthy success.

That's not how this works. Jose and chelsea were title favourites before the season even started while Soton on the otherhand defied the odds and have been rubbing shoulders with teams of considerably better squad and bigger budget throughout the season. The latter is a much bigger and impressive achievement from a non biased standpoint. Either way I think you can't go wrong with either Koeman or Jose winning the award but to dismiss the dutchman as a legitimate contender for the award is just plain wrong.

[Tomo 21,754]

hmmm.. so the only way to achieve an objective is attacking and glorious football.

this is so bloody strange. did not liverpool just need a point against us which we would have been so happy to give them and take one in return. yet, somehow they set out to meet their "objective" in the only way you deem it good enough to be accomplished. and see where it got them. oh well, dont let facts and realism knock you on your ass. lets all just play fifa/FM and set our team as a mindblowing attacking unit.

also, i am not sure how much of a club's mentality actually becomes a fan's mentality. but i feel there is some truth to it. in the past 2 weeks i have seen united and arsenal fans so vehemently say that we would rather take playing beautiful football than winning at the cost of defensive football. makes you think about the objectives does not it? i mean people at RM were not happy with jose even after the 2nd year where he won the la liga cos he pplayed counter attacking football.

and now we come down to our problem, 2 games against probably the 2 most inform PL teams. a 37 year old striker playing 135 minutes of those 180 minutes. 20 minutes played by a player who definitely looked like he had a concussion and in the remaining 25 minutes, we probably should have had 3 penalties. boring chelsea, indeed.

And the thing about last season's Liverpool is they completely neglected defending, last time I checked defending was an important part of the game, so isn't neglecting that 'anti football' aswell?

Also Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Mingolet performed like clowns all season, if they were rewarded with a PL medal it would have sent out all the wrong messages.

I mean imagine Mingolet in the elite group of title winning number 1s? Barthez in there is bad enough, but Mingolet joining would have really took the piss.

[Adnane 1,101]

Was Pep's Barcelona team's reputation built on their performance against teams like Hercules,Almeria and co or was it built on their demolition of Mouirinho's Madrid and Fergie's united et al while playing excellent football to boot? Answer that question truthfully.

Actually Mourinho thrashed them in 2012 when he was at Real, won la Liga setting many records and beat them in Camp Nou en route to the title.

Anyway we got your points, non-Chelsea fans around you are surrounding you with critics about your own team and you can't defend because you don't have the arguments, those are people you call neutral right ? And that's why you come here and slam Chelsea right ? Because they influence your opinion right ? Well you know what, get a life , get your own goddamn opinion and stop criticizing Chelsea and Mourinho based on the fact you CAN'T EVEN FUCKING DEFEND YOUR OWN TEAM AGAINST THE CRITICS.

Because if you were a proper Chelsea fan, you'd know yourself that we don't actually fucking care about free-flowing football as long as we win, this is what championships and cups are created for, to be won, not for a team to deliver 5 and 6 goals margin wins with 70% possession, 90% pass accuracy, 10 shots on target, 15 corners, and lose the title with 2 months to go ( Hello arsenal 2008 ) or worse, two weeks ( Demba Ba day was yesterday).

What you don't get, is had we continued to play the pseudo "free-flowing dynamic tripla quadruple magic passing football" you so crave during the second half of the season we would've probably lost a lot of points and the title.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I've enjoyed the utd and Arsenal matches more than the vast majority of matches this season. Big close matches where we managed to control the play as we wanted and get the results we needed. I enjoy real competitiveness and great tactical battles a lot more than mindless attacking football. That's why I watch the EPL and the Serie A but not La Liga. But that's just me...

[Thendo 1,088]

Id be ok with either of Mourinho, Monk or Koeman winning it, heck maybe even Pardew. But obviously I hope José gets the nod.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

What you don't get, is had we continued to play the pseudo "free-flowing dynamic tripla quadruple magic passing football" you so crave during the second half of the season we would've probably lost a lot of points and the title.

Oh yeah because shooting 2 times on target in 180 minutes against QPR and Man Utd, which somehow gave Chelsea 6 points, is well-made recipe for success.

[empire of emotions 247]

That's not how this works. Jose and chelsea were title favourites before the season even started while Soton on the otherhand defied the odds and have been rubbing shoulders with teams of considerably better squad and bigger budget throughout the season. The latter is a much bigger and impressive achievement from a non biased standpoint. Either way I think you can't go wrong with either Koeman or Jose winning the award but to dismiss the dutchman as a legitimate contender for the award is just plain wrong.

so the managers from the 2,3 best teams (title contenders) are automatically out of the competition for the manager of the season awards just because they're supposed to be there at the end of the season? bullshit. we lost only two games this season. and one of them is controversial, haven't lost a single game to a 'big' team so far...yada yada yada...we all now what we (mourinho) did this season.

on the other hand. southampton sold some players and bought some players. from this perspective they aren't weaker now. they bought the right players for the positions they needed to. look at lovren now, or shaw, or lambert and lallana. they bought smart and that's why they are as good as last year. i would give it to koeman if they had these results without the players they bought or without some of them. if they lose 2 more games till the end of the season they will have 13 loses. that's every 3rd game as a defeat.

1>5.

and btw, we should have even more points if it wasn't for the refs and fa.

[Adnane 1,101]

Oh yeah because shooting 2 times on target in 180 minutes against QPR and Man Utd, which somehow gave Chelsea 6 points, is well-made recipe for success.

Yeah, so the 2004-2005, 2005-2006 and the late of 2014-2015 Chelsea have all been lucky, it's not intended nor controlled.

The only game I accept to take as random and entirely dependent of the quality of Hazard rather than the whole team was QPR ( doesn't mean he was instrumental for us all year ), the rest is BS, good team deserved performances.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

We are fucking brilliant under the Special One

Most victories

Least defeats

Best defence

2nd best attack

Haven't trailed in a league game since Jan 1st