The Mourinho Thread

[LAM09 6,777]

7mil in a figure of 43mil. Brilliant estimate. I hope u are not an accountant. [emoji38]

You do understand that when Jose came we lacked a proper starting 11. His signings have been the spine of the team. Cesc, matic, costa, willian, in the near future zouma.. each and every one is essential to the team and biught by jose. The supposed flops like juan (lol, one and a half month and already [emoji38] ), salah were squad buys and bought to replace squad players. No one can get every signing right. But each and evry ome of our major signing has been PERFECT. And that's the reason why we are 5 points ahead with a game in hand xompared to qualifying for a CL spot on the last day of the season, 2 years ago

This is a forum not a business. If it's £40-50m, my point still stands. It was money that wasn't well spent IMO. I'm not sure what you refer to as a big signing, but a RWF costing £30m that does bugger all in attack isn't "perfect". Having said that, he is still a great manager that is the difference.

Everyone makes mistakes in life, but the positives have to outweigh the negatives. That isn't the case ATM. Looks like I'll have to reiterate it yet again (getting tired of it), it's my opinion. No opinion is factual, so there's no need to reply.

[didierforever 7,349]

Yes at Chelsea there was a foundation laid there by Raniere, so at Inter by Mancini, and Real Madrid by Pellegrini.

While they have an element of truth I never really cared about such views.

Nor do I care about the same thing you mention about City with Pelle and Mourinho with Chelsea.

lets take into account the spine of jose teams at his tenures.

when I talk about jose at chelsea, the names that come to fore are DD, ESSIEN, ROBBEN, CECH, carvalho, , makelele, jt and frank. How many were jose bought?

Inter is a joke if yiu think anyone but jose was responsiblr. Motta, milito, etoo, lucio, sneijder. The spine of the 09-10 team was bought and made by jose.

Now lets compare it to pele's city - kompany, silva , aguero, yaya etc etc.. none of them.

To even compare these 2 scenarios is wrong and I don't know how you can't distinguish between these things.

Ps - I never mentioned RM in my post. But expect for RM, each of jose's team has been "his" teams to the core.

[Jase 43,479]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jose-mourinho-chelsea-manager-blasts-sky-sports-pundits-jamie-carragher-and-graeme-souness-who-is-driven-by-envy-10106709.html

It was his analysis of some of the more specific failings in his team in recent weeks that gave an insight into his faith in his players. In particular Cesc Fabregas’ form which has tended to fall away in the second half of the season in recent years at Arsenal and Barcelona.

There have been no goals or assists from Fabregas in his past nine games, in keeping with a trend that has affected him over the last five seasons. For Barcelona last season he managed 16 goals and assists combined in the first half of the season, which fell to five in the second half. This season there were 15 in the first half of the season and two in the second half so far.

Mourinho said that a combination of injuries and suspensions to Fabregas and his midfield partner Nemanja Matic had disrupted their season. “Fabregas was injured and, for me, it’s not [the fault of] Fabregas. We lost Matic suspended with five yellow cards, so he didn’t play Newcastle. Then we lost Fabregas one match suspension with five yellow cards. Then we lost Diego Costa with a suspension against Liverpool. Then we lost Fabregas again, for three matches, injured against Liverpool. Then we lost Matic suspended against Burnley.

“It’s not Fabregas. This is a [typical] season. I wouldn’t expect the same team to play Burnley in the first game and to play the last game without being interrupted. An injury is normal. A suspension is normal. An accumulation of yellow cards is normal. Form going up and down is normal.

“Every player who comes back after a muscular injury, despite the work we do to re-adapt, there’s always a break. It’s normal that we lost a little bit of our fluidity, our confidence, so our numbers in terms of goals scored, chances created [went down].”

[didierforever 7,349]

This is a forum not a business. If it's £40-50m, my point still stands. It was money that wasn't well spent IMO. I'm not sure what you refer to as a big signing, but a RWF costing £30m that does bugger all in attack isn't "perfect". Having said that, he is still a great manager that is the difference.

Everyone makes mistakes in life, but the positives have to outweigh the negatives. That isn't the case ATM. Looks like I'll have to reiterate it yet again (getting tired of it), it's my opinion. No opinion is factual, so there's no need to reply.

U right dude. Everyone else is an idiot. The pundits who were singing praises of our transfers, every fan who is happy with our transfer. I mean how can the positive putweigh the negatives when only the majority of our signings have been great. I am sure pur transfer fiasco is the reason that we have improved so much over the course of less than 2 years.

I can't continue to argue with someone whose basis of the argument is sp completely and totally flawed. I mean u can argue abiut who is a better attack messi or CR. BUT u can't argue with someone who thinks ben arfa is better than messi. And believe me, saying jose's transfer dealings have been bad and that the positives supposedly get putweighed by the negatives is along that line of thought.

Ps - does that make costa's transfer fee as 40, cesc - 40, zouma -20, matic -30 etc etc..

[LAM09 6,777]

U right dude. Everyone else is an idiot. The pundits who were singing praises of our transfers, every fan who is happy with our transfer. I mean how can the positive putweigh the negatives when only the majority of our signings have been great. I am sure pur transfer fiasco is the reason that we have improved so much over the course of less than 2 years.

I can't continue to argue with someone whose basis of the argument is sp completely and totally flawed. I mean u can argue abiut who is a better attack messi or CR. BUT u can't argue with someone who thinks ben arfa is better than messi. And believe me, saying jose's transfer dealings have been bad and that the positives supposedly get putweighed by the negatives is along that line of thought.

Thank goodness. I can stop wasting my time with a brick wall that has yet to saying anything worthwhile.

Go along with pundits when they praise, but ridicule them when they are negative. Pick a bloody side!

[Fernando 6,484]

lets take into account the spine of jose teams at his tenures.

when I talk about jose at chelsea, the names that come to fore are DD, ESSIEN, ROBBEN, CECH, carvalho, , makelele, jt and frank. How many were jose bought?

Inter is a joke if yiu think anyone but jose was responsiblr. Motta, milito, etoo, lucio, sneijder. The spine of the 09-10 team was bought and made by jose.

Now lets compare it to pele's city - kompany, silva , aguero, yaya etc etc.. none of them.

To even compare these 2 scenarios is wrong and I don't know how you can't distinguish between these things.

Ps - I never mentioned RM in my post. But expect for RM, each of jose's team has been "his" teams to the core.

Are you saying all those was Chelsea buy from Mourinho?

I think you need to look clear at some names that was here and came before. Not to mention that Chelsea finish second that season and made it far in the CL....

That's totally different then what you mention Chelsea was in EL a couple of seasons back.

Inter was already winning tittles, similar to City of Mancini. Maicon, Zanetti...especially Zanetti the heart and soul of the team, Cambiasso and such.

Just like you said Pellegrini had it easy because he came to a good team instead of a team that was in EL struggling.

Except for Porto and second time Chelsea, every team that Mourinho has come has the foundations laid there.

To me this is the same point that you are mentioning about Pellegrini coming to a team already good and didn't have to do much....,

[didierforever 7,349]

Thank goodness. I can stop wasting my time with a brick wall that has yet to saying anything worthwhile.

Go along with pundits when they praise, but ridicule them when they are negative. Pick a bloody side!

Dude, yiu are the only one who supposedly thinks josr has done a poor job in transfers. The amount of people ridiculing u should be proof enough. Takr my advoce and stop the embarassment. I still can't stop laughing at the main point of your argument - negatives outweigh the positives. But please do to tell me how does that explain our immense improvement from barely qualifying for CL to 5 points with a game hand position.

There are pundits like neville who are fair. Hear and read what pundits like neville said. That would give u a good idea.

[The Chels 2,502]

So Mourinho says they had a team meeting. I hope the players weren't pussies and told him some home truths.

Really want to know what was said in that meeting. We need our own Marca/AS where pretty much all the goings-on get leaked

[didierforever 7,349]

Are you saying all those was Chelsea buy from Mourinho?

I think you need to look clear at some names that was here and came before. Not to mention that Chelsea finish second that season and made it far in the CL....

That's totally different then what you mention Chelsea was in EL a couple of seasons back.

Inter was already winning tittles, similar to City of Mancini. Maicon, Zanetti...especially Zanetti the heart and soul of the team, Cambiasso and such.

Just like you said Pellegrini had it easy because he came to a good team instead of a team that was in EL struggling.

Except for Porto and second time Chelsea, every team that Mourinho has come has the foundations laid there.

To me this is the same point that you are mentioning about Pellegrini coming to a team already good and didn't have to do much....,

When was the last time chelsea had won the PL before jose took over? When was the last time city won the PL before pele took over.

Also, I think I made it clear that most of them we're jose buys. Out of the 8 namrs I gave, 5 we're josr buys in thr chelsea tenure.

In inter, u havr got to be kidding me. Thats all I can say. Motaa etoo, lucio, sniejder, milito all we're bought in 2009 and were his main players. If that does not definr chaging the core of the team, nothing does.

Lets look at the city team currently aguero, dzeko, silva, nasri, yaya fernandinho/fernando, kolarov, kompany, demi/mangala, zaba, hart. Out of 11 players, just 2 of the positions were players who were not set in pele's team and the rest 2 are probably their weakest link (a DM and a CB). that's the extent of the work that pele has done compared to the ones josr did with his teams.

[LAM09 6,777]

Dude, yiu are the only one who supposedly thinks josr has done a poor job in transfers. The amount of people ridiculing u should be proof enough. Takr my advoce and stop the embarassment. I still can't stop laughing at the main point of your argument - negatives outweigh the positives. But please due to tell me how does that explain our immense improvement from barely qualifying for CL to 5 points with a game hand position.

There are pundits like neville who are fair. Hear and read what pundits like neville said. That would give u a good idea.

No embarrassment whatsoever. I stick to my point. I'm not seeking agreement, but making my opinion know. There's nothing funny at all, but I guess that says more about you than anything else.

Enjoy life with your rose tinted glasses on.

[didierforever 7,349]

No embarrassment whatsoever. I stick to my point. I'm not seeking agreement, but making my opinion know. There's nothing funny at all, but I guess that says note about you than anything else.

Enjoy life with your rose tinted glasses on.

hahhahahahahahhaah.

Sure dude. Havinf opinions is good. But having an opiniom which is along the lines of saying that turnbull is better than neuer is... :lol:

Better my rose tinted glasses than your stupid ones.

[LAM09 6,777]

hahhahahahahahhaah.

Sure dude. Havinf opinions is good. But having an opiniom which is along the lines of saying that turnbull is better than neuer is... [emoji38] [emoji38]

Better my rose tinted glasses than your stupid ones.

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[Fernando 6,484]

When was the last time chelsea had won the PL before jose took over? When was the last time city won the PL before pele took over.

Also, I think I made it clear that most of them we're jose buys. Out of the 8 namrs I gave, 5 we're josr buys in thr chelsea tenure.

In inter, u havr got to be kidding me. Thats all I can say. Motaa etoo, lucio, sniejder, milito all we're bought in 2009 and were his main players. If that does not definr chaging the core of the team, nothing does.

Lets look at the city team currently aguero, dzeko, silva, nasri, yaya fernandinho/fernando, kolarov, kompany, demi/mangala, zaba, hart. Out of 11 players, just 2 of the positions were players who were not set in pele's team and the rest 2 are probably their weakest link (a DM and a CB). that's the extent of the work that pele has done compared to the ones josr did with his teams.

Those all true points but that's completely different then what you mentioned of Chelsea being a El team a couple of seasons back.

Despite buying some extra players the team pellegrini and Mourinho walked into was already good.

But if you want to continue talking about walking into already made teams and how easy is the work for the new manager, then tell me this.

How come this manager can do better then the other?

Your telling me that if mancini had stayed one more year they would have been playing that good?

As to oppose pellegrini taking the same players and doing much better?

Or like at real Madrid, you think Mourinho staying one more year would have made them much better or achieve what carlo did?

Since things like this can go both ways, it's very hard to come to a point as there's case for and against it. No matter what you said there's always something that someone else can bring to give a different out look.

This is why for me I never bother discussing that because it's an endless conversation.

[Jase 43,479]

Really want to know what was said in that meeting. We need our own Marca/AS where pretty much all the goings-on get leaked

Well, we used to have that with Neil Ashton and Daily Mail. But Mourinho cut out the mole when he returned.

[Tomo 21,733]

Since when has Utd become the judging pole?

An example of just what a state the squad was in when he took over.

[Tomo 21,733]

Nope. I'm sad about the shit show I have to watch ever week on the right wing.

especially at Shrewsbury.

[LAM09 6,777]

especially at Shrewsbury.

Nope. I was talking about the other 95% of games.

[iseah100 5,612]

Can we forget about the nonsense analysis of 'buying and selling' which obviously is not just Jose's call, and go back to the EPIC press conference? I mean:

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Amazing. And he cursed, never heard him curse. Love him, no matter what.