Rumoured John Stones

[didierforever 7,349]

Who gives a fucking shit about his cost!? Why do so many of you care so much?

If we bid £40m for him we can obviously afford it. Easily, in fact! If a big club wants a player they pay up and get him. Every single club with the same ambitions as us (Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, City, PSG, United) don't ever hesitate when they truly lust after a player. United wanted Di Maria? £60m. Real Madrid wanted Bale? £80m. Barca wanted Neymar? I read during that scandal last season that they may have spent as much as £90m or something in total getting him. City go and spend £50m on Sterling without any trouble at all, signed ANOTHER super expensive CB, and are after another £50m attacking player despite dominating so far and ALREADY HAVING A MORE EXPENSIVE SQUAD THAN US! You think the fans over on Bluemoon are saying "lol, £40m!? Just walk away!" No, they're desperate to see their club win and have top players.

Yet some of you here (like didierforever) are acting as though buying Stones will bankrupt the club or something.

It was estimated by people who do this kind of financial stuff for a living that we could spend £150m this window with relative ease. And that was BEFORE we found out that FFP was being relaxed! We've spent about half of that amount so far. We can afford to splash more comfortably.

Just fucking get him, don't care the price. I don't even care if he costs £45m! Just get him. Everyone will forget the price in a year or two when he's bossing it in our back 4 and with the new TV money, I doubt he'll look so expensive for long.

no we are not acting like those 40mil will bankrupt the club. we are acting about what it would mean for the club.

john fucking stones for 40mil. next year, another average over-hyped engligh player who would be worth 10mil would be sold at 30mil.

it would set a precedent. look at united and how 2 years of bad transfers is making every club milk them for all they are worth.

next thing is why the fuck should we buy john stones for 40mil? we can buy howedes for half that value and he is a much better player than stones. wait much much much better player than stones.

and dont give me that bullshit of "we are paying for potential", we already have potential with zouma, kalas and andreas. no need to waste that money on something who does not even improve our defence at the moment.

you might not care, but most of us do. cos we have not forgotten how one bad transfer (remember torres 50mil) can set a club back 2-3 years.

also, city's super expensive CB is ota-fucking-mendi. one of the best CBs in the world currently. are u actually comparing john stones to otamendi.

lol, i have nothing more to say in that case. cos go to the pogba thread and see what most are writing. no one cares is pogba costs 100mil euros. he is worth it. he is a world class CM who improves us instantanouesly as well as solves our long term problems. stones does not do or barely does one of them.

[CMS 382]

Point is he isnt that great and maybe never will be.

If he was beast I would pay 100m for him because good cbs are rare.

But to pay world record for defender on 21 yrs Stones, well everton and Stones can fuck off.

He wont improve our defense big time this season. Rather wait, play Zouma (if you think Zouma and Stones will play at same time your joking yourself and hell no I dont want us to pay 40m for stones and have zouma on bench, while both are same level now). Then get an actual top defender like Varane Godin Laporte Gimenez etc. For 55m Im sure we can get them eventualy. And they are actualy top defenders.

I know we need english players but dont pay 55m on Cb just because of that. English players are overrated as fuck. From Kane to Sterling to Wheelchair and list goes on. Pay 10m on two average english players or better get them from academy.

If we couldnt afford to pay 50m pounds on Sterling, neither should we 40m on Stones who is a fucking CB. Not even half as proven as Sterling to that matter.

Its funny just because Everton demand 40m and we seem to be ready to pay, people think we will get world class CB. He is decent, good on ball, but I want our CBs to be ready to stop players like Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez. And if I pay 55mio they better be. And not in five years. But its not how it works.

I would break the bank for Gimenez, Varane or younger Godin, those would be worth the money. Not Stones who had one good season at everton, yet they finished low in table, but more importantly has absolutely no experience in top club or CL.

Real paid for Varane what around 10m? And we would 55 for Stones. Let that sink for a moment.

Just because we can it doesnt mean we should pay this idiotic money for Stones who frankly wont be any better than Cahill in big games of CL (if he would even play). Even Zouma who should by all means be first 11 is not. Why we need to pay 55m for another similar player I dunno. Get a world class Cb for that price ffs.

Yes he might be the man for next 10 years, but who knows. Unless he becomes next Terry no way is he gonna be worth 55 even if he plays decent for next decade. And the way defenders play nowdays there are no worth that money. We are not getting Thuram or Puyol ffs.

And Bale DiMaria are so called world class. What is Stones? World class too? Lol

And if we splash the cash at least do it on top players then. Anyaway Real is splashing cash like mad and what have they won? Since 2008, one laliga and one CL from big trophies. Yeah splash the cash. The kids like stones will win us CL.

Thank you. People talk as if its their check book. Just pay 55 million, just because you said so. Amazing!

[Chelsea? 892]

I can guarantee you Everton probably only rejected it hoping for another offer. No way will they ever get anything over 30mil for him. They'll regret their decision.

[xPetrCechx 13,548]

Sergi Domínguez ‏@FutbolSergi 1 u

Chelsea negotiations with Everton regarding John Stones has come to an end. CFC's highest and final bid was rejected.

36 mil?...

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

I can guarantee you Everton probably only rejected it hoping for another offer. No way will they ever get anything over 30mil for him. They'll regret their decision.

Not sure, if he keeps up the form can see MU paying 40m with ease next summer for him

[CMS 382]

no we are not acting like those 40mil will bankrupt the club. we are acting about what it would mean for the club.

john fucking stones for 40mil. next year, another average over-hyped engligh player who would be worth 10mil would be sold at 30mil.

it would set a precedent. look at united and how 2 years of bad transfers is making every club milk them for all they are worth.

next thing is why the fuck should we buy john stones for 40mil? we can buy howedes for half that value and he is a much better player than stones. wait much much much better player than stones.

and dont give me that bullshit of "we are paying for potential", we already have potential with zouma, kalas and andreas. no need to waste that money on something who does not even improve our defence at the moment.

you might not care, but most of us do. cos we have not forgotten how one bad transfer (remember torres 50mil) can set a club back 2-3 years.

Don't forget we have Omeruo too.

[Duppy Conqueror 1,451]

£36m for a central defender would not be a world record. just a record between English clubs.

I`ve seen it said many times why we as fans care about how much a player costs. in this case I don`t think it`s too over priced (it is but not too much) but to answer the question in a general sense. nobody should want us to grossly overpay for a player.it effects our future pursuit of players when clubs see us as willing to do it. we have paid for that since 2003 on occasions. Man City,Man U,Arsenal now are having problems with that aswell as teams like PSG.

for some of us,where all we spend on Chelsea is the cost of a new jersey every year then it doesn`t have a financial impact on you.

for others like me who are committed to attending atleast 90% of the games every season and already spending tens of thousands a season with various trips around Europe etc... us splashing the cash and blowing millions more than we need to can impact us. Roman hasn`t ripped us too badly thus far but that can always change.

[Pizy 17,861]

no we are not acting like those 40mil will bankrupt the club. we are acting about what it would mean for the club.

john fucking stones for 40mil. next year, another average over-hyped engligh player who would be worth 10mil would be sold at 30mil.

it would set a precedent. look at united and how 2 years of bad transfers is making every club milk them for all they are worth.

next thing is why the fuck should we buy john stones for 40mil? we can buy howedes for half that value and he is a much better player than stones. wait much much much better player than stones.

and dont give me that bullshit of "we are paying for potential", we already have potential with zouma, kalas and andreas. no need to waste that money on something who does not even improve our defence at the moment.

you might not care, but most of us do. cos we have not forgotten how one bad transfer (remember torres 50mil) can set a club back 2-3 years.

also, city's super expensive CB is ota-fucking-mendi. one of the best CBs in the world currently. are u actually comparing john stones to otamendi.

lol, i have nothing more to say in that case. cos go to the pogba thread and see what most are writing. no one cares is pogba costs 100mil euros. he is worth it. he is a world class CM who improves us instantanouesly as well as solves our long term problems. stones does not do or barely does one of them.

Otamendi is nearly 28 and most people had never heard of him before this year. Stones is 21 and I'd already rather have him than Otamendi.

Kalas and Christensen? The overrating of our youth players here continues. Neither are anywhere near Stones' level and I 100% guarantee neither will ever play for our first team again.

It's not going to have some huge ripple effect in the club like you're suggesting and it certainly can't be compared to the Torres buy. He was already crocked and on the wane before we bought him. Stones is class already and will only get better. You sound like we're buying some 15 year old unknown when you talk about "potential." He's already better than both Zouma and Cahill!

[Polo7 3,496]

Good not worth that much. Let's find another partner for Zouma.

[didierforever 7,349]

Otamendi is nearly 28 and most people had never heard of him before this year. Stones is 21 and I'd already rather have him than Otamendi.

Kalas and Christensen? The overrating of our youth players here continues. Neither are anywhere near Stones' level and I 100% guarantee neither will ever play for our first team again.

It's not going to have some huge ripple effect in the club like you're suggesting and it certainly can't be compared to the Torres buy. He was already crocked and on the wane before we bought him. Stones is class already and will only get better. You sound like we're buying some 15 year old unknown when you talk about "potential." He's already better than both Zouma and Cahill!

what class? did u see his performance yesterday? if GC had put that performance he would have been burned alive. and how is it not comparable to torres. we are over-paying by atleast double the value of a player who clearly might never be worth that value.

give kalas the amount of confidence stones has got from martinez. or andreas. both will never play cos of our grass is greener syndrome. just like kdb never got a real chance here and now he is worth 55 mil pounds.

YOU had not heard of otamendi. YOU had only heard of stones cos he is another over-hyped english player. i remeber a lot of people saying the same thing when cazorla was bought or mata was bought. just cos people's knowledge of football is non-existent outside of PL, does not mean those players are not good.

also, otamendi is 27. if he can give 5 good years, that is more than enough. 5 years in football is a life time.

3 months ago we had walked the league, look at city and chelsea now.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

Sergi Domínguez ‏@FutbolSergi 1 u

Chelsea negotiations with Everton regarding John Stones has come to an end. CFC's highest and final bid was rejected.

if thats true itll be in the press tonight, and im sure some other outlets would be reporting it. I like how he is tweeting that after the pretend ITK mohd tagaya tho

[Pizy 17,861]

what class? did u see his performance yesterday? if GC had put that performance he would have been burned alive. and how is it not comparable to torres. we are over-paying by atleast double the value of a player who clearly might never be worth that value.

give kalas the amount of confidence stones has got from martinez. or andreas. both will never play cos of our grass is greener syndrome. just like kdb never got a real chance here and now he is worth 55 mil pounds.

YOU had not heard of otamendi. YOU had only heard of stones cos he is another over-hyped english player. i remeber a lot of people saying the same thing when cazorla was bought or mata was bought. just cos people's knowledge of football is non-existent outside of PL, does not mean those players are not good.

also, otamendi is 27. if he can give 5 good years, that is more than enough. 5 years in football is a life time.

3 months ago we had walked the league, look at city and chelsea now.

You're asking me if I saw his performance yesterday but you clearly haven't. Stones was once again brilliant yesterday like he has been in each of their first three matches. In which time our defense has been ripped apart.

It's not comparable to Torres because like I said, he was a crock when we bought him. Like Shaw and like Sterling, Stones can only get better. He's not suddenly going to fall off a cliff like Torres did. He's already fantastic playing with average players at Everton.

Again I use the examples of Ferdinand and Rooney. Looked expensive at the time they were bought but look like unbelievable business now. Shaw, Stones, and Sterling will be just like that.

[Mechromancer 262]

Is true, obviously. Mohammed and Sergi are the most reliable sources in twitter.

[xPetrCechx 13,548]

Is true, obviously. Mohammed and Sergi are the most reliable sources in twitter.

LOL!

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Maybe next summer

[Pizy 17,861]

Maybe next summer

Those will be some fun negotiations!

Another year of him improving and us being more desperate because JT will be a year older. And the TV money kicking in making it less necessary for Everton to sell and if they were open to selling him they can ask for £60m.

[Toli 977]

no we are not acting like those 40mil will bankrupt the club. we are acting about what it would mean for the club.

john fucking stones for 40mil. next year, another average over-hyped engligh player who would be worth 10mil would be sold at 30mil.

it would set a precedent. look at united and how 2 years of bad transfers is making every club milk them for all they are worth.

next thing is why the fuck should we buy john stones for 40mil? we can buy howedes for half that value and he is a much better player than stones. wait much much much better player than stones.

and dont give me that bullshit of "we are paying for potential", we already have potential with zouma, kalas and andreas. no need to waste that money on something who does not even improve our defence at the moment.

you might not care, but most of us do. cos we have not forgotten how one bad transfer (remember torres 50mil) can set a club back 2-3 years.

also, city's super expensive CB is ota-fucking-mendi. one of the best CBs in the world currently. are u actually comparing john stones to otamendi.

lol, i have nothing more to say in that case. cos go to the pogba thread and see what most are writing. no one cares is pogba costs 100mil euros. he is worth it. he is a world class CM who improves us instantanouesly as well as solves our long term problems. stones does not do or barely does one of them.

Höwedes by no way is better than Stones. Höwedes is a decent defender, thats it. No ceilling in him anymore.

Kalas: Sitting on the bench for Köln. Definetely potential top player for us

Christensen: Looks awful so far at Gladbach.

Zouma: Has a future in our club. Terry+ Cahill will go in a few years, so we need 2 defenders, not one.

Otamendi has had 1 good season and is already 27. By no means he is much more worth than Stones. At the moment he may be better, but I think Stones has much more potential.

There is only 1 or 2 young defenders better than Stones I think. Laporte (would cost between 50-60 m euros) and Varane (wont be sold). Thats it. Ohterwise we can buy another old defender and replace him in a few years.

[OneMoSalah 8,616]

Who gives a fucking shit about his cost!? Why do so many of you care so much?

If we bid £40m for him we can obviously afford it. Easily, in fact! If a big club wants a player they pay up and get him. Every single club with the same ambitions as us (Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, City, PSG, United) don't ever hesitate when they truly lust after a player. United wanted Di Maria? £60m. Real Madrid wanted Bale? £80m. Barca wanted Neymar? I read during that scandal last season that they may have spent as much as £90m or something in total getting him. City go and spend £50m on Sterling without any trouble at all, signed ANOTHER super expensive CB, and are after another £50m attacking player despite dominating so far and ALREADY HAVING A MORE EXPENSIVE SQUAD THAN US! You think the fans over on Bluemoon are saying "lol, £40m!? Just walk away!" No, they're desperate to see their club win and have top players.

Yet some of you here (like didierforever) are acting as though buying Stones will bankrupt the club or something.

It was estimated by people who do this kind of financial stuff for a living that we could spend £150m this window with relative ease. And that was BEFORE we found out that FFP was being relaxed! We've spent about half of that amount so far. We can afford to splash more comfortably.

Just fucking get him, don't care the price. I don't even care if he costs £45m! Just get him. Everyone will forget the price in a year or two when he's bossing it in our back 4 and with the new TV money, I doubt he'll look so expensive for long.

People give a shit about his cost because he is not good enough (and probably won't ever be) to be worth that.

Mentioning those guys like Neymar, Di Maria and Bale before they got then they had huge potential and have kicked on and now?

Neymar: Brazil's best player and one of the best wingers in the world,

Di Maria: one of the best wingers in the world,

Bale: one of the best wingers in the world,

Sterling already was England's best player at the World Cup and will probably go on to be the main guy in that team too at this rate but if you are trying to compare John Stones' price tag with theirs to try and justify that he is worth that sort of money then it is wrong. There is an elite level and then there is the one John Stones is/will be on.

Barca, Real and City went and bought them players because they are going to be top top players. John Stones will never be worth a 40M outlay. I wasn't too sure about Sterling and doubted buying Shaw last summer but I really feel they will both go on and be really good players for their clubs and England in the future but don't see John Stones in that same way. He is composed and good on the ball for a center back but we've seen that before in David Luiz, it doesn't guarantee anything regarding defending, what I've seen of him from the last two seasons in particular and against City and Watford, he doesn't look anything like a top defender. He will end up being good but never good enough to have a 40M price tag justified.

Otamendi cost 32M but hes already a top established CB, would have fancied him here tbh but it was obvious it was a shoot out between City and United. Hope if Stones doesn't end up coming we go after Laporte because he is going to be a great CB and already is at a pretty good standard.