LondonsFinest 692 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I know all the FM wonderkids as well, but hey, out of all the mentioned above, Inigo Martinez, Romagnoli and Marquihnos aren't THAT amazing. It's biased, but Stones has the potential to be better than them. I have no outlook on Jimenez and Umtiti, but Laporte seems like the only one on the list to actually have a higher ceiling, but it depends on development. Just to add, that out of all those mentioned, only Umtiti and Laporte may be available, not to mention that Laporte has said he wants to stay at Bilbao, before he finds a club that will make him first choice, directly. So, out of all mentioned, Stones seems like the most reasonable choice. Yes, he has a demanding fee, yes he is HG and English and that overhypes him, but he is still quality. Let's not react negative, because of the typical British-media-hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Why? We do not need him, we have 3 + 1 CBs, in an emergency then we can recall one from our loanee stash, likely Kalas.We should buy an LB like Cresswell who can deal with the bench time and we're set.Terry is 34 , cahill is poor. Mourinho wouldn't trust kalas. He clearly wants stones , so it's important we get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Aymeric Lapote, Inigo Martinez, Samuel Umtiti, Jose Maria Gimenez, Alessio Romagnoli, Marquinhos. I don't think that John Stones is better than anyone of them.It's good to buy Stones but for what price when you have these options.What makes these defenders you listed (with the exception of laporte) superior to stones? I follow these defenders as well and no aspect of their game really stands out from stones. is any of them superior at tackling? reading of the game? aerial prowess? Interception? Passing/playing it out from the back? higher ceiling?. the answer is no. Laporte is the only defender on that list who's on Stones level or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I'm all for getting Stones. Hes a good mixture of what we need and with his passing and speed it will suit our style of play. Specially if we stick Zouma with himBut yes theres a list of good young CBs out there. Laporte, Marquinhos, Sakho,Mateo Musacchio, Balanta, Dória, Semih Kaya, Inigo Martinez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 The more I read this thread, the more I'm convinced some people are mistaking Stones for Alex davey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapkun 668 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 What makes these defenders you listed (with the exception of laporte) superior to stones? I follow these defenders as well and no aspect of their game really stands out from stones. is any of them superior at tackling? reading of the game? aerial prowess, Passing/playing it out from the back? higher ceiling?. the answer is no. Laporte is the only defender on that list who's on Stones level or better.I dont follow all of those players but I watched plenty of Umtiti, Stones and Marquinhos. I think Umtiti is just as good as Stones except for his ball playing ability where the latter has the edge. Marquinhos however is head and shoulders above them. Very comfortable with the ball and rock solid defensively. It's criminal that a player like luiz starts ahead of him. But you can add him to the unrealistic targets list as they will never let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaFanUK 1,014 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 This one seems like it is going to go right to deadline day. Which would be a bad move, no one will want to cave in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 What makes these defenders you listed (with the exception of laporte) superior to stones? I follow these defenders as well and no aspect of their game really stands out from stones. is any of them superior at tackling? reading of the game? aerial prowess? Interception? Passing/playing it out from the back? higher ceiling?. the answer is no. Laporte is the only defender on that list who's on Stones level or better.Romagnoli is available for 30m€ (21m£) and how he's not on the level of Stones ? I haven't watched him much but people in Italy say that he's really good, hot prospect. For what price would Stones go ?I'm good with Stones joining but for what price. And people saying that he will eventually be worth it, I listed 6 defenders born in 1994 and 1995, add Zouma to that and we have 7. Everyone is destined to be "world class" and worth to overpay because at the end he will be worth it, well how many world class/brilliant defenders are currently in Europe ? Not more than 15 and they're from Varane to JT age-span, so during those 13 years (JT and Varane are 13 years apart) we have only let's say 15 Chelsea level defenders and now ask how many "world class prospects" was in that time, over 50 ? The thing is, the young top class prospects I listed maybe have a potential but most of them won't fullfil it and settle for less eventually, that's the nature of things. On which side will be Stones and how we can be sure about it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 They have told Chelsea he is not for sale at any price. Yeah, whatever.Anything over £35m and they'd more than likely sell, depends how much the club want him. Man Utd also interested according to the media so that adds an extra 5m-10m.Still, not my cash. Well it is our money if you go to games or pay a TV subscription... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1chelsea 864 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Failed liars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illmatic 901 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Aymeric Lapote, Inigo Martinez, Samuel Umtiti, Jose Maria Gimenez, Alessio Romagnoli, Marquinhos. I don't think that John Stones is better than anyone of them.It's good to buy Stones but for what price when you have these options.Iñigo Martinez? Seriously? This is another Illarramendi, overrated as fuck by the spain's press, but nothing more than a average player. Of these players, one of my favorites is Gimenez, is a beast. And taking in count that he is a Atletico de Madrid player, is very likely that we will see him here on a couple years haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 They have told Chelsea he is not for sale at any price.Who reported about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Every summer its a different everton player that is world class.Baines.BarkelyStonesSo much hyped from England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Every summer its a different everton player that is world class.Baines.BarkelyStonesSo much hyped from England. Not English but also Coleman, Fellaini... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Not English but also Coleman, Fellaini...Seriously, when do fans learn... Than their is lukaku, who every opposing fan criticize for selling. Stones competition at everton is who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 U guys must of never watch the kid from atletico play. Reason why selling miranda was so easy for simeone.Or marquinhos. Than their is FRANCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Who reported about it?The English media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 The English mediai guessed its English media, the question is who exactly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 At least we succeeded to make him unsettled at Everton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 i guessed its English media, the question is who exactly...http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/everton/11749964/Everton-had-already-told-Chelsea-John-Stones-was-off-limits-before-20m-bid.htmlhttp://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/premierleague/article4500961.eceIt's obviously not true though because every player has his price and if we bid, say, £50m then they'd be crazy not to accept. Having said that, I can't see us meeting Everton's valuation of Stones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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