Isco

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Moses and KDB? they are playing on the same positions as you already wrote.

Moses is a Winger and KDB can play so many positions he's not an AM. For us he'd play on the wings and in central midfield. Actually you can even say Hazard is better suited out wide so that's only 3 AM's.

[Leif 6,006]

People saying "No" to Isco because we have Marin, Moses, Piazon (lol), whoever - they genuinely make me question how much they know about football. This post will make me sound so cocky, big headed, or just like a dickhead - but seriously... you need your head checked if you don't want the best Spanish player of his generation to join this team.

It's honestly sickening how so many of you want to settle for mediocrity like we're Arsenal or Tottenham.

I do not give a flying fuck about Marin. You don't turn down a player like Isco to keep a player who's been shit the last 3 seasons because "he has potential 2 be tha German Messi xoxoxox". He doesn't even play in the same position as Isco! Why are people making that comparison anyway!?

I also want to smack the faces of everyone saying we shouldn't get Isco because we have Piazon lol. Are you serious? GENUINELY are you serious? How on earth do people believe Piazon is some magical 'Kaka' player? He doesn't play the same position as Kaka, is FAR away from the senior national team, and the only thing he's done of note for us is winning a penalty and getting an assist against an Aston Villa side which we had already destroyed before he came on.

"Top teams don't have 2 or more quality players for each position" - Bayern Munich say "hello". Juventus say "hello". Real Madrid say "hello".

It honestly infuriates me (the mentality of some people on here). I'm positive that some of the same people saying "We shouldn't get Isco because we have Marin/Piazon" (neither of which even play in the same fking position as him) would turn down Messi because "we just signed Ba and our central midfield is a bigger priority."

The opinion that "having 3 or 4 top class players in one position means other areas lack that same quality and will suffer" is the worst thing I've ever heard. How big is a squad? Around 25 players? How is having 3 or 4 top quality AM's going to affect one of the richest club's central defence? Someone try and explain that to me using sense and not hypotheticals.

Also, above I read something about would I rather have Ba as our only striker while buying Isco and Schurrle - err, what? We have both Ba and Torres at the club. Us paying £15m for Isco instead of £11m for that Taison guy is hardly going to affect our chances of getting another striker in anyway if Torres leaves (finally). No idea what the Schurrle comment was about.

Also, signing the player who's tipped to potentially being the best attacking midfielder in the world in a few years time does not affect at all whether we get more 'truly great centre backs' or not. What was that comment about Barcelona having so much attacking talent that Villa can't get into the team and they have 'no central defenders'? Haven't they been the world's best team for a few years now, no? So that comment was pretty much invalid unless it was said to actually support the idea of getting Isco.

Jeez.

Finally, do people not remember that Mata was actually good on the left wing last season? Do people not remember that Hazard is right footed? Do people not realise that, in theory, we could have Mata as a left winger who tracks back, Isco in the centre behind the striker, and Hazard as a winger who tracks back? That would leave Oscar as our only back-up/rotation option on the bench. People must stop seeing things so black and white. There are many ways this could go. That trio could potentially be one of the best attacking combos seen in the last decade. (No long articles about how Moses must start because he offers more 'balance' please.) Those 3 would be incredible at retaining possession. Assuming we then get a DLP like Benat (for example), keeping possession would be a breeze. If you keep possession, you rarely have to defend. (Of course I'm not suggesting that Mata/Hazard would have no defensive responsibilities at all,though.)

Note:

Marin = Winger, and one of the most disappointing players in the Bundesliga before joining us. Piazon = 2nd Striker/Winger, who mainly gets this praise because he looks appearance-wise similar to Kaka and is from Brazil. Moses = Winger. De Bruyne = Central Midfielder capable of playing in the hole.

So how many attacking midfielders do we have when Hazard & Mata are already playing on the pitch? Oscar? The one who most of you are saying "will play in the double pivot"? Whoah. That's showing great depth at attacking midfield isn't it? Stuff of champions that is right there.

[Chelsea? 892]

How close I'd this deal?

[Rmpr 8,977]

i'd go with taison

[Dy-lan 142]

How close I'd this deal?

Wouldnt hold your breath mate.

I can't express how quickly i think we should snap their fingers off at £15 for this lad.

[Chelsea? 892]

What's up with Pep anyways?

[JDY 1,290]

Wouldnt hold your breath mate.

I can't express how quickly i think we should snap their fingers off at £15 for this lad.

I know this is a typo but it reminded me of when Mallorca gave one of their players (Castro) a release clause of €18,000 by mistake

[Rmpr 8,977]

People saying "No" to Isco because we have Marin, Moses, Piazon (lol), whoever - they genuinely make me question how much they know about football. This post will make me sound so cocky, big headed, or just like a dickhead - but seriously... you need your head checked if you don't want the best Spanish player of his generation to join this team.

It's honestly sickening how so many of you want to settle for mediocrity like we're Arsenal or Tottenham.

I do not give a flying fuck about Marin.

I stopped there, already disgusted me...

[Sheva. 5,373]

Do people not realise that, in theory, we could have Mata as a left winger who tracks back

He's far better in the middle. Plus he can't track back as good as Moses, Hazard or Oscar.

[Leif 6,006]

Plus he can't track back as good as Moses, Hazard or Oscar.

What are you basing that on though? He plays centrally at the moment - so his job isn't really to track back, whereas it is the job of Moses and Hazard.

Hazard never tracked back before coming here, and Mata isn't a child. He can easily learn, adapt and adjust his game. Infact, if he couldn't learn how to track back, I'd be scared to have such a player at this club. All players have to be able to improve their game in some areas.

As for being better in the middle - so is Hazard. But he plays on the wing. No reason why Mata can't either.

[Sheva. 5,373]

What are you basing that on though? He plays centrally at the moment - so his job isn't really to track back, whereas it is the job of Moses and Hazard.

Hazard never tracked back before coming here, and Mata isn't a child. He can easily learn, adapt and adjust his game. Infact, if he couldn't learn how to track back, I'd be scared to have such a player at this club. All players have to be able to improve their game in some areas.

As for being better in the middle - so is Hazard. But he plays on the wing. No reason why Mata can't either.

I'm basing it on last season when he played on the wings, and also when Oscar was playing centrally earlier this season.

He is almost as effective attacking wise, but defensively there's a lot more space to exploit with Mata on the wings, since he drifts into the middle every time. Hazard does a far better job, especially since Rafa took over.

He could be made to put in a shift defensively, but there's no need for that. He has been more than brilliant for us in the middle, and i wouldn't switch him because of Isco tbh.

If we're going to add to the '3' behind the striker, then i would prefer players who could add width to the side, something we really need. We already have Mata/Oscar/Hazard who can play down the middle, isn't that enough?

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Note:

Marin = Winger, and one of the most disappointing players in the Bundesliga before joining us. Piazon = 2nd Striker/Winger, who mainly gets this praise because he looks appearance-wise similar to Kaka and is from Brazil. Moses = Winger. De Bruyne = Central Midfielder capable of playing in the hole.

So how many attacking midfielders do we have when Hazard & Mata are already playing on the pitch? Oscar? The one who most of you are saying "will play in the double pivot"? Whoah. That's showing great depth at attacking midfield isn't it? Stuff of champions that is right there.

I agree with you that if you can upgrade, you do, but we are not short of attacking midfielders. For me, someone like Isco is just not what we need. I've only seen him a bit and he has clearly talent, but he's also obviously not the finished package yet. He has tremendous skills, but he also has flaws. He's an attacking midfielder who only has 1 assist and 1.1 key passes a game. He also has 4 goals on 42 shots which either means he shoots too much or is a poor finisher. He also gets dispossessed more than any of his teammates. We already have a number of players we need to develop, and if we are going to buy someone else, I want someone who is a finished product. Not another young player with excellent potential and an exciting youtube reel. I would also like a natural winger or a central midfielder if we added someone because that is where we do lack depth.

There comes a point where buying new players loses all its value. Whoever we'd buy at AM, won't replace Marin because Marin never plays and therefore needs no replacement. For next season, for 4 midfield spots, we already have Mata, Hazard, Moses, Ramires, Oscar, KDB, and Marin. That's without counting Luiz, Josh, Piazon, Kakuta, or Chalobah all of whom could force their way into playing time. We could afford one more midfielder but if we get someone good, all that means is that someone else who should be getting playing time, won't. Getting Isco would mean that players like Oscar and KDB wouldn't get as much development time. Chelsea already have three players, all of whom are young and extremely talented, for the #10 spot. That would be De Bruyne's most natural spot as well. This is literally the last position we need to address.