Fernando Torres

[Tomo 21,751]

I'm tired of talking about him, it's been a year and a half and we all repeat the same stuff, i highly doubt he will regain his old form... i just don't know what to do with him.

Put him on the bench and get Danny to say hi to him when they crossover.

[bloody 209]

Didier Drogba first 2 seasons: 82 matches 32 goals

Fernando Torres thus far: 75 Matches 15 goals

If Drogba was "BAD" in his first two seasons what exactly does that make Torres.

Drogba didn't have the luxury of coming from the same League, knowing the language and knowing the defenders he would face. He had to adapt as much as any other player coming from a different league into the EPL. We expected Torres being used to the EPL not to have such a long "adaptation" period - well Torres is still adapting. Drogba by the end of his second season had became indisputable #1 beating Crespo in the process - while Torres was handed the automatic first 11 spot without actually doing anything to earn it.

that is funny, having to adapt as much as any other player coming from a different league. why don't hazard and mata need any time to adapt?

you can't just generalize players like that.

torres also didn't have and still don't have the luxury of being in the best squad in the league. the squad that managed to win back-to-back league titles.

since you're using stats, please find out how many services drogba received and how many torres received in their respective first few seasons?

and how many times was torres played out of position by ancelotti?

[Tomo 21,751]

that is funny, having to adapt as much as any other player coming from a different league. why don't hazard and mata need any time to adapt?

you can't just generalize players like that.

torres also didn't have and still don't have the luxury of being in the best squad in the league. the squad that managed to win back-to-back league titles.

since you're using stats, please find out how many services drogba received and how many torres received in their respective first few seasons?

and how many times was torres played out of position by ancelotti?

Nico was played out of position by every manager bar Scolari, but he just got on with it and scored us goals that helped us win trophies.

and stop with the service excuse, he has Oscar, Hazard and Mata behind him yesterday and had arguably his worse performance in a Chelsea shirt.

I hate the fact the club has given him number 1 forward role for doing nothing, Drogba wasn't known as number 1 forward until he well and truly earned that title in his third season here, and when he dropped down to Torres at Chelsea esque form under Scolari he payed for it, as Nico was number 1 for most of the Brazilians reign.

Danny may not be perfect but until we either sign some one or Torres shows a bit of fight to earn the number 1 position, then Danny should be number 1, end off.

[bloody 209]

Nico was played out of position by every manager bar Scolari, but he just got on with it and scored us goals that helped us win trophies.

and stop with the service excuse, he has Oscar, Hazard and Mata behind him yesterday and had arguably his worse performance in a Chelsea shirt.

I hate the fact the club has given him number 1 forward role for doing nothing, Drogba wasn't known as number 1 forward until he well and truly earned that title in his third season here, and when he dropped down to Torres at Chelsea esque form under Scolari he payed for it, as Nico was number 1 for most of the Brazilians reign.

Danny may not be perfect but until we either sign some one or Torres shows a bit of fight to earn the number 1 position, then Danny should be number 1, end off.

how is 80 something starts in his first two seasons not make him our number 1 forward back then?

like i said, you can't generalise players like that. what works for player a, may not work for player b. it worked for anelka, but it didn't for torres.

against a squad that even manchester city couldn't break down! what the fuck did you expect? a goal fest against stoke?

are you fucking kidding me?

[bloody 209]

oh, and i will stop with the service excuse when he has CONSISTENLY received PROPER service from our midfield for at least a FULL season, maybe 2.

otherwise, no bloody way will i stop using it.

[gary gordon 1,777]

I just hope we are in a good position come January. Because Falcao will definetly be in a Chelsea shirt by then and Torres will hopefully be gone.

Let's face it, we got 1 important goal out him. Cut our losses and move on. The Torres project is as good as dead.

[Tomo 21,751]

how is 80 something starts in his first two seasons not make him our number 1 forward back then?

like i said, you can't generalise players like that. what works for player a, may not work for player b. it worked for anelka, but it didn't for torres.

against a squad that even manchester city couldn't break down! what the fuck did you expect? a goal fest against stoke?

are you fucking kidding me?

No i didn't expect a goal fest, i expect Torres to get involved a bit more however.

The main point is Didier and Hasselbaink our previous two number one forwards had to work their socks off to earn that title, Torres has just been handed it.

[Las7 951]

oh, and i will stop with the service excuse when he has CONSISTENLY received PROPER service from our midfield for at least a FULL season, maybe 2.

otherwise, no bloody way will i stop using it.

Do you think that the service argument is going to cut it, every single team in the EPL had a striker with better games to goal ratio than Torres - do you think we are worse than 20 other teams in the EPL at creating chances? Even if that's the case you'd expect Torres to have a few more goals considering he is 7th best player in the World and you'd expect that a top striker won't have to depend entirely on his team mates for his goals.

2011 - 12 Premier League:

RvP(Arsenal) - 48 appearances 37 goals

Rooney (MU)- 44 appearances 35 goals

Agüero(City) - 41 appearance 27 goals

Dempsey (Fulham) - 46 appearance 23 goals

Adebayor(Tottenham) - 37 appearance 18 goals

Yakubu ( Blackburn) - 33 appearances 18 goals

Defoe(Tottenham)- 38 appearance 17 goals

Suarez (Liverpool) - 39 appearances 17 goals

Grant Holt ( Norwich City) - 38 appearances 17 goals

Danny Graham (Swansea) - 39 appearances 14 goals

Crouch ( Stoke City) - 40 appearances 14 goals

Helguson ( QRP) - 34 appearances 13 goals

Steven Fletcher ( Wolves) - 34 appearances 12 goals

Odemwingie (West Brom) - 30 appearances 11 goals

Jelavic (Everton) - 16 appearances 11 goals

TORRES - 49 appearances 11 goals

Darrent Bent (Aston Villa) - 25 appearances 10 goals

Bendtner (Sunderland) - 31 appearances 8 goals

Klasnic ( Bolton) - 29 appearances 8 goals

Franco Di Santo ( Wigan) - 32 appearances 7 goals

Bent - 0.4 goals per match

Klasnic - 0.27 goals per match

Bendtner - 0.25 goals per match

Torres - 0.22 goals per match

Franco Di Santo - 0.21 goals per match

So pretty much he was only better than Wigan's top striker virtually any other team in the EPL had a better forward - those are the stats, talk about service is out of line to say the least. Even if we weren't that good at creating chances last year it would be really rich to say we are worse than all teams in the EPL other than Wigan.

[communicate 2,703]

I don't get at all your clichés about the CBs. What I think about that is that a team ending the season as 6th in Premier League cannot win the Champions League if there's no difference between championship performances and europe ones...

Regardless of our weakness, we're more cohesive, focused etc... in CL football.

One more time I don't understand the myth some tend do make people think about Torres, when he has decent service several times a game he's efficient. You just have to look at the figures, they're average for Fernando Torres but you can't say he's miles away from the very best last season. Especially when we look at the amount of chances he's been provided

Please stop with the "he has to move to get the ball". Ending the season as 6th, having sacked the manager and replaced him by a manager who got similar results still people think Fernando Torres is the only responsible player. Just keep doing it wrong

I am not talking about his movement off the ball. It's when he has the ball and try to take on defender, I always feel his dribble success rate in UCL is far higher than in EPL.

In term of Torres overall, I think he is just not suited for us, He is much better playing in liverpool system with high tempo offense plus long quick accurate pass from Alonso and Gerard

[November33rd 84]

oh, and i will stop with the service excuse when he has CONSISTENLY received PROPER service from our midfield for at least a FULL season, maybe 2.

otherwise, no bloody way will i stop using it.

You can use it all you want. You're an idiot, your opinion doesn't count.

[bloody 209]

You can use it all you want. You're an idiot, your opinion doesn't count.

i sincerely hope your mother got raped by some man. literally.

she definitely deserved to for giving birth to one such as you.

[November33rd 84]

i sincerely hope your mother got raped by some man. literally.

she definitely deserved to for giving birth to one such as you.

Stay classy.

[bloody 209]

Stay classy.

compared to the 'i'm an idiot' insult you made, that is classy.

[November33rd 84]

compared to the 'i'm an idiot' insult you made, that is classy.

So you are Comparing me calling you an idiot for saying something stupid to you hoping a woman gets raped. Yes...you really are an idiot.

[bloody 209]

So you are Comparing me calling you an idiot for saying something stupid to you hoping a woman gets raped. Yes...you really are an idiot.

if you can't take the response, then you shouldn't have started insulting another.

that is like shoving another person in a bar then crying because he beats you to a pulp.

grow up, kid.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

If you two can't discuss this in a civil manner then don't discuss it at all. Any abusive behavior/inappropriate language will result in warnings an suspensions.

[Waterfall 893]

Didier in his first few seasons showed signs of improvement and flashes of brilliance whereas Torres has shown neither other than the goal against Newcastle.

Also, just because Didier struggled in his first couple of seasons and went on to become a club legend, it does not mean Torres will or can do the same. There have been more times where players who were craptacular stayed that way than where the managed to salavage their career. The argument of "service" does not even matter either if you consider players in shit teams still score better than him.

Honestly, it's not worth giving Torres his 100th chance when we have a young striker who's not arguably better but genuinely better than him.

[Spike 12,049]

I want him to leave so we can stop talking about him.

[Jase 43,479]

I want him to leave so we can stop talking about him.

And we'll then see who amongst the fangirls really support Chelsea FC!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Having re-watched the match, I tried to monitor Torres in particular. And although I'm sure some of the points made about him not fitting in our style of play are valid, I still think the main problem is in his head. Take the goal incidence for example: With 5 mins to go we were desperately looking for a goal, playing the ball from left to right around the box looking for the right ball in. And although I am mightily glad that Cole popped up where he did, I couldn't help but wondering where our lone striker when we needed him most. The answer is that he was some 30m away from goal, not even in the frame of thee camera in any replay.

Imho, you can custom tailor a team that suite his style perfectly and provide 'service' telepathically for him, but I don't think even then he can score 20-25 goals a season when Ashley Cole has a better striker's instinct than him.