Closed Juventus 3-0 Chelsea

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Anyway I think Torres is done as a Chelsea player, I think he's reverted back to not caring about the team anymore, his introduction added nothing to the game, Chelsea actually got worse since there was no Mikel to boss the midfield. I hope Sturridge is fit against City, I can't see us winning if he's out, I really hope I'm wrong and the team pulls a surprise on City and get back within at least 3 points of the top of the table.

I'm afraid this could be true. His body language and face says it all.

[Kezza 1,965]

Absolutely, toronto. How many players on that pitch have played more than 30 games together? Cech, cole iva rami and mikel and mata. 6/11 players on that pitch have played 1 season or more together.

The manager is still trying to find a formation and array of players that can work together and get results. It's not easy, it takes time.

In a way I admire RDM. It takes courage to completely switch up the team.

[Hamin90 6]

I wanted to say one last thing ... you are the opposing fans more honest and more goals that I have ever seen ... I wish that one day our fans did a twinning ... Goodnight

[Styles 9,790]

I applaud RDM for trying Hazard as a 'false 9'. He did some very good things. He had a chance that Buffon saved, he held the ball up well several times and nearly created a goal for Mata. Would Torres have done any of that? Fuck no. He would have fallen over every single time.

We have some good pieces for the long-term but we also have a lot of problems. It's going to be an interesting few years whatever happens.

[zolayes 14,489]

I applaud RDM for trying Hazard as a 'false 9'. He did some very good things. He had a chance that Buffon saved, he held the ball up well several times and nearly created a goal for Mata. Would Torres have done any of that? Fuck no. He would have fallen over every single time.

We have some good pieces for the long-term but we also have a lot of problems. It's going to be an interesting few years whatever happens.

well said ...people have been screaming for Torres to be dropped .. Well he was....

Again at the start of the season people said it was going to be a transition season ...we get a good start and suddenly people expect us to win everything...

[The Big Drog 1,110]

The thing is - we all know that Di Matteo was only kept due to our CL and FA Cup win, I don't think he had any say in transfers and who was loaned out.

I think we should give him support and backing till the end of the season provided we keep up with the League Leaders - the next few matches are key for RDM.

I absolutely realise that Di Matteo doesn't have a huge say in transfers and nor was he Abramovich's first choice to get the job on a permanent basis but that's a problem in itself. The players will know he wasn't first choice, they will know that the first signs of disaster and he will be out the door, we want longevity and consistency and the only way for that to happen is for Roman to be patient with a manager but he's never going to be patient with a manager he didn't want in the first place. A manager with a strong personality would have made a big issue of the striker problem, like Mourinho did at Real Madrid a couple of years ago.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Once, people want changes for RDM to make, and when he does, people get mad...Bravo!

I think the experience played the part, as well we are far from connected team. We need to gel, that will take some time and sure, we need a striker ala Cavani. Without striker, our team is weak and lightweight and there is huge hole in penalty area, Im not surprised of defeat realy, but 3:0 and the fact we didnt even fight to score wonders me...

Azpi did his job, Luiz-Cahill was very good in firsr half. Hazard is not false nine, his shooting is still bad. Mata as playmaker should show more, but he didnt. Oscar was great. Mikel and Rambo

good too. Cole proved he is still one of best LBs in world. But in second half, everyone was much worse, lack of motivation and determimation.

Right now, we need striker, winger and CB. CM is not required as Debruyne and Josh will come.

Striker is obvious, Torres should leave. CB should come to give us some depth, Papadopoulos would be perfect. Winger should come too (or second striker, like Jovetic). We clearly have no second plan on bench, Moses looked unimpressive. Someone like Sanchez would be good investment, as he would offer great speed and crossing, movement and technique. Cavani, Papadopoulos and Sanchez in january/summer please.

And yes, Europa league will be good for team to gel and give youngsters a chance, but its embarrasing for us as Champions to not qualify in next round. Sure, we still have some minimal chances to get through...

[BlueSunshine 672]

There was no lineup or formation he could have used that would have got us the win. There was no substitution that was going to win the game for us.

Yeah we sould have refused to play the match since the better team always wins in football and there was nothing we could do.Great way of thinking.

[chelseathebest 150]

Old Guard means everything to us. We are not a team without them, sad but true.

[chelseathebest 150]

Juventus is back

No, Juventus is not back. You won because we are fucking awful team.

Anyways, you'll get hammered soon in the knock out phase...

[Las7 951]

Now that Sturridge has been injured we are back to the same loop.

Loaned Lukaku, didn't sign a 3rd striker, didn't play Sturridge.

Bamford on the bench against City I guess.

[Blue Armour 4,486]

A deserved loss. Not RDM's fault. There was no lineup or formation he could have used that would have got us the win. There was no substitution that was going to win the game for us. Juventus are simply a better side. Really sick of the hypocrisy of fans. RDM gets blamed for not changing the lineup. He changes. He gets blamed for that. You want us to develop our own players better? You want us to switch to a new, more exciting system? Those take years. You can't be mad when you have short-term problems. You mad at Chelsea wasting 50M pounds on a striker who was never going to fit into our system? Let's do that again with Falcao! The club is the place it's in because of short-term thinking. We've had 8 managers (7 really) in the last 5+ years. You don't have prolonged success when you keep blaming managers every time you go on a bad streak. The lack of patience is ridiculous. The blame for the current situation sits entirely with the board. Chelsea have spent more money than any other team in the last decade and almost none of it has been decent value. We keep chasing the sexy players that everyone else wants. We buy players at the peak of their value. We've spent something like 140M in the past 2 seasons and somehow we still have no true central midfielder for our system and we have mediocre central defenders, we have only one striker, and very little natural width. You can't just throw a bunch of players together and then complain when you don't win immediately.

The hypocrisy around here can drive a guy mad, but let's look at it objectively. Its not an over-reaction to say that TODAY DiMatteo screwed up badly. Yes, dropping Torres was what most of us wanted but when the alternative was to play without a proper forward (due to Sturridge's injury) , then I'm not sure it was wise to use that formation. I think the truth is that RDM was furious (deservedly so) after the recent run of games and overcompensated for our shortcomings in defense.

[zolayes 14,489]

No, Juventus is not back. You won because we are fucking awful team.

Anyways, you'll get hammered soon in the knock out phase...

you sound like a bad loser ....and the group isnt finished yet.

IF they go through and we don't good luck to them

[Henrique 9,133]

This squad is not good enough yet, I dont blame RDM.

[couris 232]

Mikel-Ramires terrible duo. No one knows how to play the pivot sadly.

[Term-X 7,891]

Being the first reigning Champions to get knocked out of the group stage, is something that will haunt us forever as a football club.

A permanent black mark.

[mediator 2,026]

Credit to RDM to try something tonight. Next is Luiz as DM, i'm sure he can rock in our double pivot

[Hutcho 8,443]

Being the first reigning Champions to get knocked out of the group stage, is something that will haunt us forever as a football club.

A permanent black mark.

Well at least we were reigning champions... And tbh who exactly will remember or care. If you don't win it they won't really remember you. You offered me this 82 mins into the game on the 19th may i would have snapped your hand off and been so happy it was unbeleiveable.

[Las7 951]

"Definition of insanity: Doing the same thing and expecting a different result."

After recent results I can't blame RdM for trying something new - I personally feel we would have lost this game whatever lineup he tried because we cannot address the problems with defenders being exposed and attackers not finishing off their chances.

I think a lot of it stems from over use of Hazard and Mata which is degenerating their effectiveness. A lot of people have been spoiled by Lampards longevity and consistency they expect flair players to also be able to play 90 minutes every game with the same effect. Just recall Robben and how often he was out of the side due to injuries - the way especially Hazard plays takes a great toll on his body. Especially today as the match went on Mata and Hazard were not able to keep up the press and trickery. Marin; Moses need to be rotated with those two with greater effect if we want to use them in their most devastating form in matches like the ones against Juve.

[Hutcho 8,443]

We need a striker and we need JT back. JT gives us SOOOOO much in defence and in captaincy that he is crucial for us. And a striker because hazard is not a striker and torres isn't really either. I applaud what RDM tried it didn't work The alternative was playing torres up top which i am 95% confident wouldn't have worked either. Maybe moses from the start up top as we kept lashing the ball down field and chiellini chested it down 4 times in a row. But oscar looked great in spells, and hazard and mata should have scored. But hey that is the situation we are in.

Shakhtar are a quality team as we know and at home they won't be thinking it is a nothing game as will want the best draw going. We have to go out get the job done vs nordjaelland and hope that shakhtar can knick the points for us. I am going to the chelsea game but my mind will probably be in ukraine.