Oscar

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I said he might. My point is Bayern have a lot of fast wingers who suit Pep's system better. If he managed Brazil I am not sure Oscar would be in his team. Do you think he would? I am not saying Coutinho would be guaranteed but he could be more suited. That is why I never mentioned Coutinho with Bayern but instead if Pep was managing Brazil. Coutinho like Gotze would not be a regular in that team. And Gotze is way too inconsistent for Bayern and has not lived up to the same hype he had at Dortmund.

So you are judging Sterling on a few games played? Does that make Mahrez better than Hazard then who has not scored 1 goal? Don't judge anything by the early stages of the season. The goals will come for Sterling. Remember he is only 20 and has got into double figures for the last couple seasons. I think he will do the same again this season and so far Sterling has fitted in well and will continue to start.

I never watched Ganso live, yes but regardless even when he was good he was playing in Brazil. Coutinho has a decent amount of pace and like I said has been playing in a top league. That is a false assumption and quite ridiculous to suggest he will follow the same route as Ganso. Do you really believe that? And like I said earlier a manager picking a player means nothing for me. I think he should be in. Payet has been quality this season and did not even get in the last squad yet the likes of Sissoko got in when he has been poor this season. And Liverpool not winning with Coutinho says more about the rest of the team not him. Look how clueless they looked without him at Old Trafford. Did they miss him? Of course they did. Now they have him back against Norwich, I can pretty much predict he will be the key difference once again.

PEP scouted Oscar when he was in brazil to join barcelona and wanted him there when he was a teenager. However, at the time, Pep nor barca could make guarantees about his playing time..

Oscar fit's pep because he provides balance to neymar and is key to ball retention and pressing, which are 2 things pep requires in all his players.

Mahrez doesn't play for a big team, Sterling does. Things change when you go on a big team as Sterling is realizing and KDB will realize soon. It's one thing to play for Liverpool, it's another thing to play for Man City.

You never watched Ganso play and say he's overrated. Coutinho, like Ganso will be dropped from the national team once felipe anderson transfers out to a big team and fernando does well at sampordia... So, coutinho will end up like Ganso, forever gone from BRazil national team... SO, Coutinho gets glory when they win and zero fault when they lose, yet Oscar is always the main culprit to chelsea's failure... HAHAHA

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It's not one manager though. It's three. Even at youth level, Oscar was favoured (remember the Olympics and that youth tournament that made Oscar known on a wider scale, scoring a hattrick in the final). As much as we think we know, our amateur knowledge doesn't compare. When it's that many managers, it speaks volumes.

Guardiola possibly picking Coutinho is a non argument, speculation.

He thinks because JT voted for him as POTY, he is therefore consistent player last year.

Doesn't know a thing about tactical voting with players these days on awards.

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Before I could understand as I never rated Coutinho that highly. I always use to think he was inconsistent and a player who does not turn up in big games but then slowly he started improving. Last season he was very impressive. But with the old 2 yeah I could understand as he was not a star player then. Now I think he is. But once again he is in a poor team tbh but I still think he is their key to getting top 4. And I disagree with Oscar that Coutinho will drop out the squad unless he performs really bad for Liverpool.

Fair enough.

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PEP scouted Oscar when he was in brazil to join barcelona and wanted him there when he was a teenager. However, at the time, Pep nor barca could make guarantees about his playing time..

Oscar fit's pep because he provides balance to neymar and is key to ball retention and pressing, which are 2 things pep requires in all his players.

Mahrez doesn't play for a big team, Sterling does. Things change when you go on a big team as Sterling is realizing and KDB will realize soon. It's one thing to play for Liverpool, it's another thing to play for Man City.

You never watched Ganso play and say he's overrated. Coutinho, like Ganso will be dropped from the national team once felipe anderson transfers out to a big team and fernando does well at sampordia... So, coutinho will end up like Ganso, forever gone from BRazil national team... SO, Coutinho gets glory when they win and zero fault when they lose, yet Oscar is always the main culprit to chelsea's failure... HAHAHA

Hazard plays for a big team. 0 goals so far. 1 assist. Sterling 1 goal, 1 assist. So is Hazard realising that? That is a stupid conclusion. Judge him around the Christmas period because I guarantee you I will be laughing at you. Sterling has been good anyway for City. Not standout but effective.

Willian is a bigger culprit than Oscar even though he does much more than him in the game. Oscar gets the stats but Willian is more involved imo. A reason why Oscar got dropped last season and Willian stayed in. And yeah, we are better than Liverpool so I require no passengers in our team. Not saying Oscar is but a lot of games last season he was very average. He got subbed off twice last season around H/T. I don't see why people need to defend Oscar when he was very poor at moments last season. Fact.

He thinks because JT voted for him as POTY, he is therefore consistent player last year.

Doesn't know a thing about tactical voting with players these days on awards.

Well you intrepreted it how you wanted to without being resonable. I knew it was tactical. But my point is the fact that he voted Coutinho shows he had a very good season. He could vote him without being called a cheat because he knows many would agree he had a quality season overall. Why not vote Ozil? Henderson? Sterling? You know, because if he did people would of criticized him hugely. Coutinho had a good season and although he was not on Hazard or Sanchez level he was very good. He votes Ozil for example and there is no logic towards it. But he thought of a player who performed well but would not win it. Is it that hard to understand? But according to you he is a below-average player who was poor last season.

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Hazard plays for a big team. 0 goals so far. 1 assist. Sterling 1 goal, 1 assist. So is Hazard realising that? That is a stupid conclusion. Judge him around the Christmas period because I guarantee you I will be laughing at you. Sterling has been good anyway for City. Not standout but effective.

Willian is a bigger culprit than Oscar even though he does much more than him in the game. Oscar gets the stats but Willian is more involved imo. A reason why Oscar got dropped last season and Willian stayed in. And yeah, we are better than Liverpool so I require no passengers in our team. Not saying Oscar is but a lot of games last season he was very average. He got subbed off twice last season around H/T. I don't see why people need to defend Oscar when he was very poor at moments last season. Fact.

Well you intrepreted it how you wanted to without being resonable. I knew it was tactical. But my point is the fact that he voted Coutinho shows he had a very good season. He could vote him without being called a cheat because he knows many would agree he had a quality season overall. Why not vote Ozil? Henderson? Sterling? You know, because if he did people would of criticized him hugely. Coutinho had a good season and although he was not on Hazard or Sanchez level he was very good. He votes Ozil for example and there is no logic towards it. But he thought of a player who performed well but would not win it. Is it that hard to understand? But according to you he is a below-average player who was poor last season.

Hazard won poty, ypoty and was toty every year on chelsea. So, hazard has adapted pretty well to Chelsea. Willian is more involved in what? Dribbling with pace? Or the fact that Oscar is the one that links the ball better than anyone on the team and presses better than anyone on the team. Where do you get this nonsense that Willian does more. Oscar gets dropped because Jose requirements in the n10 position is near impossible for oscar to be in form the whole season. Put Coutinho in Oscar's role that Jose has and let's see how long he lasts.

JT voted for coutinho, mata, mane and sterling...... Doesn't show me anything when he picks them over Morgan S, sanchez, silva, santi, etc.

Ozil statisically was as good as anyone from january on. Coutinho as many people already stated had good games, but was anything but consistent.

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Hazard won poty, ypoty and was toty every year on chelsea. So, hazard has adapted pretty well to Chelsea. Willian is more involved in what? Dribbling with pace? Or the fact that Oscar is the one that links the ball better than anyone on the team and presses better than anyone on the team. Where do you get this nonsense that Willian does more. Oscar gets dropped because Jose requirements in the n10 position is near impossible for oscar to be in form the whole season. Put Coutinho in Oscar's role that Jose has and let's see how long he lasts.

JT voted for coutinho, mata, mane and sterling...... Doesn't show me anything when he picks them over Morgan S, sanchez, silva, santi, etc.

Ozil statisically was as good as anyone from january on. Coutinho as many people already stated had good games, but was anything but consistent.

Alright. When Liverpool had SAS they were a big team. Yes? Finished above us and really should have gone on to win the title. Sterling got 9 goals despite only getting in the team late December. Liverpool finished above us then and with Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho, Gerrard they were a quality team, no two-ways about it. If that was true Sterling would have struggled but he got all those goals in a short space of time. So that is nonsense to say he will fail to exceed at a bigger club.

You can argue similarly put Oscar in Liverpool's team with more average players and see how hard he finds it. Works both ways. You can only judge until you actually see it. The reason why Oscar struggled a lot last season was because of the lack of things he has that a usual no.10 has. No excellent dribbling, no bursting pace, no excellent vision. 3 things that I think Coutinho gives you or is better than Oscar at. Not saying Coutinho is faster but with the ball he is.

But you are stating that Sterling is failing to succeed at a big club after one game. My point is that is a ridiculous assumption. The fact that you mentioned Hazard's achievements prove my point even more. He has been poor this season but the season as just started and there are loads of games to be played. Hazard will soon gets his stats back up and so will Sterling and then he will prove you wrong about this idea of him failing to hit standards at a bigger team. He has only played 5 games ffs. Sanchez, no goals, Hazard, no goals, Kane no goals, Aguero only has 1 goal, Costa 1 goal. That is why that is a ridiculous point to make as he just joined City. He plays better with better players and that is why he will exceed.

Willian does do more but his finishing is so poor. Willian's work rate is as good as Oscar's and is never a passenger. He just needs to improve his play in the final third llike I said but he takes the pressure of Hazard a lot. He is a poor man's Hazard tbh. Not as good as but similar abilities.

Ozil statistically may be good but I think he is overrated and turns up 1 games then invisible for next 5. For instance, poor against WHU this season. Good against Palace, poor against Liverpool then good against Stoke then poor against Zagreb. The same trend with him and disappears in nearly every big game. It was the same last season but yeah maybe Coutinho was not mr.consistent but he was the individual difference in many Liverpool games last season like Hazard was for us and it will be the same again this season. Same how I see Oscar last season. A player you know can do more but you just want him to show up more but he did not stand up enough last season when the team was poor. With time we will see whose right I guess.

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Pep doesn't even start Mario Gotze even with the pressure of the German media, what makes you think he would start Coutinho on Brazil? Another false assumption again I see.

Coutinho does not play for a big team. Raheem sterling went from so called offensive young genius to another cog in man city as somehow who provides width and workrate/defense for the bombing kolorav, it could explain why Sterling has scored a tap in as his only goal so far this season, less goals than Nasri has in sub appearances and Oscar in his mininal appearances this year....

You didn't watch Ganso play. Ganso wasn't overrated, he was slow. IF you highly rate Mata, than you are again a complete hypocrite to label ganso as overrated since they are both essentially the same mold of a player, except Ganso is taller. Only reason Coutinho is getting called up is because rafinha is out for the season and ramires didn't get called up because of fitness. After Felipe anderson transfers out of lazio and Fernando of sampodoria will get called up to brazil sooner than later.

Liverpool has won 0 games in their last 4 and Coutinho started all of them

You didnt just compare Mata with Ganso...

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I find it ironic that some of the people who don't think Oscar is a good player because he is not consistent, go on to praise Coutinho. Coutinho is as inconsistent, if not more. Who would I rather I have when they're both in top form? Oscar without a shadow of doubt.

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You didnt just compare Mata with Ganso...

He did and he was right in doing so - they are the same type of player.

Obviously Mata has achieved far more, but characteristics wise they are very similar - read slow.

Now, Ganso hasn't been always this slow; he had a pretty bad year with multiple injuries (knee?) which I believe costed him the little bit of pace he had originally.

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He did and he was right in doing so - they are the same type of player.

Obviously Mata has achieved far more, but characteristics wise they are very similar - read slow.

Now, Ganso hasn't been always this slow; he had a pretty bad year with multiple injuries (knee?) which I believe costed him the little bit of pace he had originally.

Both are slow yes.

Ibrahimovic and Crouch are both tall.

What kind of comparisson is that?

One played in spain and england, the other was bad enough to never leave brazil (injury played its part, but its not the only thing).

Mata is performing in PL and the other in brazil. Mata is miles ahead in technique and intelligence.

If you like or dislike Mata, it doesnt mean you do the same for Ganso. The guy never acheieved anything, while Mata had great career at Valencia and Chelsea. Just because both are slow it doesnt mean they are similar. Ganso wouldnt be only slow in PL but also invisible because he aint good enough.

Apples and oranges realy.

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Both are slow yes.

Ibrahimovic and Crouch are both tall.

What kind of comparisson is that?

One played in spain and england, the other was bad enough to never leave brazil (injury played its part, but its not the only thing).

Mata is performing in PL and the other in brazil. Mata is miles ahead in technique and intelligence.

If you like or dislike Mata, it doesnt mean you do the same for Ganso. The guy never acheieved anything, while Mata had great career at Valencia and Chelsea. Just because both are slow it doesnt mean they are similar. Ganso wouldnt be only slow in PL but also invisible because he aint good enough.

Apples and oranges realy.

Ganso passing ability/vision is just as good if not better than mata and he dribbles better than Mata.

You probably never seen Ganso play.

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Ganso passing ability/vision is just as good if not better than mata and he dribbles better than Mata.

You probably never seen Ganso play.

I saw him before his injury, back when he was playing along Neymar at santos.

But to say he has better vision and ability than Mata? He plays in brazil league. Fucking fred was their top striker sometime ago. Pato is genius with 22 goals this season if i remember correctly

There is a reason why he moved to sao paulo instead of europe. If he was good enough, he would play in better league. Simple as that. Regardless if he is slow. Many players who are good are slow too.

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I saw him before his injury, back when he was playing along Neymar at santos.

But to say he has better vision and ability than Mata? He plays in brazil league. Fucking fred was their top striker sometime ago. Pato is genius with 22 goals this season if i remember correctly

There is a reason why he moved to sao paulo instead of europe. If he was good enough, he would play in better league. Simple as that. Regardless if he is slow. Many players who are good are slow too.

Brazil produces the best players in the world, so to disregard their league is nonsense. People disregarded neymar's scoring output in brazil, but in barcelona he already does the same.

Passing and vision was never in question with Ganso or even technique/dribbling, it was everything else that was. Brazil is a tricky place with players and third party ownership.....

Some guys like the shaktar brazilians make mistakes going to Europe and other guys like ganso and demaio want too much money...

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It doesn't matter how 'good' or 'bad' a league is. Talented players come from everywhere and anywhere. To judge a league on how many talented players emerge from it is weird.

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Brazil produces the best players in the world, so to disregard their league is nonsense. People disregarded neymar's scoring output in brazil, but in barcelona he already does the same.

Passing and vision was never in question with Ganso or even technique/dribbling, it was everything else that was. Brazil is a tricky place with players and third party ownership.....

Some guys like the shaktar brazilians make mistakes going to Europe and other guys like ganso and demaio want too much money...

We are not in the 90's and early 2000 anymore. Neymar and Tiago silva are the only world class players brazil has managed to produce in the last 6 years or so.

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True no. 10 or not, I feel our pressing from midfield works a lot better with him on the pitch. With him and Matic working in tandem, Fabregas is almost completely free of any defensive duties. Oscar's tackling is probably much better than even Ramires' right now, even though the latter is supposed to be one of our more defensive minded midfielders.

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Oscar plays, Chelsea wins. Again. It was said he didn't matter. Well...

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Oscar plays, Chelsea wins. Again. It was said he didn't matter. Well...

I just think exactly same. Oscar did many in defence and many in offence.

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We are not in the 90's and early 2000 anymore. Neymar and Tiago silva are the only world class players brazil has managed to produce in the last 6 years or so.

UMMM... Brazil has produce better talent than any country bar Spain in the last decade or so.

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Wasn't at his best today in delivering the final ball, could have put Costa clean through at least twice in the half they were playing to the MH stand, but he still pressed well and released Fabregas, who also seems to play markedly better when Oscar is about.