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Oscar, cunt ?

Yeah look at how he always complains to the referee and often leaves something more with tackles. Once Hazard was going to stand up from a foul but Oscar pushed him back down to make it look like Hazard was more hurt than he was.

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(Courinho) prob went missing - happens a lot with him

When Oscar is uninspired, which unfortunately can last for a long time, he still does the work. When Coutinho vanishes he completely vanishes.

He was the only Liverpool player who looked capable of making something happen. Had a great shot that hit the post but apart from that struggled to impact the game.

But according to some people Oscar is Mr.consistent and never goes missing I am not talking about you btw.

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He was the only Liverpool player who looked capable of making something happen. Had a great shot that hit the post but apart from that struggled to impact the game.

But according to some people Oscar is Mr.consistent and never goes missing I am not talking about you btw.

Looking capable means nothing to me.

Couldn't care less about Coutinho tbh. Not a Chelsea player and is not on Brazilian nt.

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Looking capable means nothing to me.

Couldn't care less about Coutinho tbh. Not a Chelsea player and is not on Brazilian nt.

Coutinho will end up like Ganso did.

Guys like costa, felipe anderson, lucas will take the backup positions for brazil nt

maybe gabriel will get called up soon as well.

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Looking capable means nothing to me.

Couldn't care less about Coutinho tbh. Not a Chelsea player and is not on Brazilian nt.

But he did not vanish. That is my point. That is OTT. For instance he probably done more for them than Hazard done for us on Wednesday. Anyway I think it is best to judge him on his league form. He is in the Brazil squad. Whether he gets in the team is another question. I doubt it now that Oscar is back but come the end of the season I think Coutinho will prove again that he is worthy of being given a longer shot in the team.

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But he did not vanish. That is my point. That is OTT. For instance he probably done more for them than Hazard done for us on Wednesday. Anyway I think it is best to judge him on his league form. He is in the Brazil squad. Whether he gets in the team is another question. I doubt it now that Oscar is back but come the end of the season I think Coutinho will prove again that he is worthy of being given a longer shot in the team.

Fair enough, but this is the oldest discussion in the book - the flamboyant vs the more pragmatic.

Modern football gives precedence to the latter. Right now Coutinho won't get a start because of his low body strength, low work rate, and most importantly, lack of tactical discipline.

Dunga is very much like Jose in his philosophy and Coutinho will have a hard time playing for him. Also, he and Thiago Silva were terrible int he last copa america - Thiago Silva hasn't been called since. Oscar is second only to Neymar in Brazil.

BTW, I do watch liverpool matches and Coutinho does go missing often. I remember clearly him failing to track back our player which resulted in our goal last season - was subbed off right after that.

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Fair enough, but this is the oldest discussion in the book - the flamboyant vs the more pragmatic.

Modern football gives precedence to the latter. Right now Coutinho won't get a start because of his low body strength, low work rate, and most importantly, lack of tactical discipline.

Dunga is very much like Jose in his philosophy and Coutinho will have a hard time playing for him. Also, he and Thiago Silva were terrible int he last copa america - Thiago Silva hasn't been called since. Oscar is second only to Neymar in Brazil.

BTW, I do watch liverpool matches and Coutinho does go missing often. I remember clearly him failing to track back our player which resulted in our goal last season - was subbed off right after that.

Yeah, agreed about the manager situation but that is why I don't agree with 'the manager picks Oscar so it means he is better than Coutinho' theory. Mourinho preferred Oscar over KDB and Mata. For me KDB is a lot better than Oscar but Mourinho obviously preferred Oscar for his set up. If Brazil hired Guardiola, Coutinho may well be their no.10. Just about the type of managers I guess.

Coutinho did not impress at the Copa but he only had 1/2 starts IIRC plus sub appearances. Yeah and he switched of against Azpi but at the same time he had many standout games and was their best player in our COC meeting at Anfield imo. I hope Oscar can improve on that aspect as he rarely gave us that last season. He made the difference in games like Newcastle although his match performance was poor but I would like him to step up more often like the game against Swansea when others are not playing too well.

Regarding Coutinho's style. I do think people look at him and think fragile etc but he has actually improved on his balance a lot. It is why not imo he has a lot more of an effect in the big games and also think he has improved on his work rate. Never realised that about Thiago Silva though.

But for other people to label Coutinho as the next Ganso is utterly ridiculous and says more about one person's hate for a player. Ganso was overrated and never played in a top league while Coutinho has been playing in the PL from age of 19 IIRC. Furthermore he had his real standout season for Liverpool in arguably the best league in the world at 21 so as for Oscar stating he will end up like Ganso says all I need to know. Pure dislike for him.

I like Oscar but like you said about Coutinho I notice this with Oscar a lot. Especially last season. Gives the balanve but I want the contribution on the offensive play on a regular basis. If he does that I am pleased. Just needs to step up more often.

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Yeah, agreed about the manager situation but that is why I don't agree with 'the manager picks Oscar so it means he is better than Coutinho' theory. Mourinho preferred Oscar over KDB and Mata. For me KDB is a lot better than Oscar but Mourinho obviously preferred Oscar for his set up. If Brazil hired Guardiola, Coutinho may well be their no.10. Just about the type of managers I guess.

Coutinho did not impress at the Copa but he only had 1/2 starts IIRC plus sub appearances. Yeah and he switched of against Azpi but at the same time he had many standout games and was their best player in our COC meeting at Anfield imo. I hope Oscar can improve on that aspect as he rarely gave us that last season. He made the difference in games like Newcastle although his match performance was poor but I would like him to step up more often like the game against Swansea when others are not playing too well.

Regarding Coutinho's style. I do think people look at him and think fragile etc but he has actually improved on his balance a lot. It is why not imo he has a lot more of an effect in the big games and also think he has improved on his work rate. Never realised that about Thiago Silva though.

But for other people to label Coutinho as the next Ganso is utterly ridiculous and says more about one person's hate for a player. Ganso was overrated and never played in a top league while Coutinho has been playing in the PL from age of 19 IIRC. Furthermore he had his real standout season for Liverpool in arguably the best league in the world at 21 so as for Oscar stating he will end up like Ganso says all I need to know. Pure dislike for him.

I like Oscar but like you said about Coutinho I notice this with Oscar a lot. Especially last season. Gives the balanve but I want the contribution on the offensive play on a regular basis. If he does that I am pleased. Just needs to step up more often.

Agree for the most part, except KDB and Mata being better than Oscar. Mata I am sure is not, as I think he lacks in strength and pace departments (you gotta have at least one of these). He hits very short-lived stretches of form for united and then goes missing for the rest and then has embarrassing performances like the last one in the CL where he miscontrolled the foobtall inside the small box. He only has technique and that is rarely enough, especially these days.

KDB, I will go by your own assessment of the strength of the PL. So, what you said about Coutinho can be said about Oscar - esp considering Oscar plays for a better team which is actually competing for silverware. On the other hand, KDB hasn't really proven anything in the PL yet, so I will pass judgement once he does or doesn't.

This inconsistency that Oscar and Coutinho show are typical of younger players developing and learning the right pace for long leagues and games.

BTW, Dunga is the first manager that has looked at coutinho. In Brazil, the overall idea is that Oscar is way ahead in development. Coutinho may improve obviously, but I happen to agree with the overall opinion over there - and people do love a flamboyant player there.

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Yeah, agreed about the manager situation but that is why I don't agree with 'the manager picks Oscar so it means he is better than Coutinho' theory. Mourinho preferred Oscar over KDB and Mata. For me KDB is a lot better than Oscar but Mourinho obviously preferred Oscar for his set up. If Brazil hired Guardiola, Coutinho may well be their no.10. Just about the type of managers I guess.

Coutinho did not impress at the Copa but he only had 1/2 starts IIRC plus sub appearances. Yeah and he switched of against Azpi but at the same time he had many standout games and was their best player in our COC meeting at Anfield imo. I hope Oscar can improve on that aspect as he rarely gave us that last season. He made the difference in games like Newcastle although his match performance was poor but I would like him to step up more often like the game against Swansea when others are not playing too well.

Regarding Coutinho's style. I do think people look at him and think fragile etc but he has actually improved on his balance a lot. It is why not imo he has a lot more of an effect in the big games and also think he has improved on his work rate. Never realised that about Thiago Silva though.

But for other people to label Coutinho as the next Ganso is utterly ridiculous and says more about one person's hate for a player. Ganso was overrated and never played in a top league while Coutinho has been playing in the PL from age of 19 IIRC. Furthermore he had his real standout season for Liverpool in arguably the best league in the world at 21 so as for Oscar stating he will end up like Ganso says all I need to know. Pure dislike for him.

I like Oscar but like you said about Coutinho I notice this with Oscar a lot. Especially last season. Gives the balanve but I want the contribution on the offensive play on a regular basis. If he does that I am pleased. Just needs to step up more often.

Pep doesn't even start Mario Gotze even with the pressure of the German media, what makes you think he would start Coutinho on Brazil? Another false assumption again I see.

Coutinho does not play for a big team. Raheem sterling went from so called offensive young genius to another cog in man city as somehow who provides width and workrate/defense for the bombing kolorav, it could explain why Sterling has scored a tap in as his only goal so far this season, less goals than Nasri has in sub appearances and Oscar in his mininal appearances this year....

You didn't watch Ganso play. Ganso wasn't overrated, he was slow. IF you highly rate Mata, than you are again a complete hypocrite to label ganso as overrated since they are both essentially the same mold of a player, except Ganso is taller. Only reason Coutinho is getting called up is because rafinha is out for the season and ramires didn't get called up because of fitness. After Felipe anderson transfers out of lazio and Fernando of sampodoria will get called up to brazil sooner than later.

Liverpool has won 0 games in their last 4 and Coutinho started all of them

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Pep doesn't even start Mario Gotze even with the pressure of the German media, what makes you think he would start Coutinho on Brazil? Another false assumption again I see.

Coutinho does not play for a big team. Raheem sterling went from so called offensive young genius to another cog in man city as somehow who provides width and workrate/defense for the bombing kolorav, it could explain why Sterling has scored a tap in as his only goal so far this season, less goals than Nasri has in sub appearances and Oscar in his mininal appearances this year....

You didn't watch Ganso play. Ganso wasn't overrated, he was slow. IF you highly rate Mata, than you are again a complete hypocrite to label ganso as overrated since they are both essentially the same mold of a player, except Ganso is taller. Only reason Coutinho is getting called up is because rafinha is out for the season and ramires didn't get called up because of fitness. After Felipe anderson transfers out of lazio and Fernando of sampodoria will get called up to brazil sooner than later.

Liverpool has won 0 games in their last 4 and Coutinho started all of them

I said he might. My point is Bayern have a lot of fast wingers who suit Pep's system better. If he managed Brazil I am not sure Oscar would be in his team. Do you think he would? I am not saying Coutinho would be guaranteed but he could be more suited. That is why I never mentioned Coutinho with Bayern but instead if Pep was managing Brazil. Coutinho like Gotze would not be a regular in that team. And Gotze is way too inconsistent for Bayern and has not lived up to the same hype he had at Dortmund.

So you are judging Sterling on a few games played? Does that make Mahrez better than Hazard then who has not scored 1 goal? Don't judge anything by the early stages of the season. The goals will come for Sterling. Remember he is only 20 and has got into double figures for the last couple seasons. I think he will do the same again this season and so far Sterling has fitted in well and will continue to start.

I never watched Ganso live, yes but regardless even when he was good he was playing in Brazil. Coutinho has a decent amount of pace and like I said has been playing in a top league. That is a false assumption and quite ridiculous to suggest he will follow the same route as Ganso. Do you really believe that? And like I said earlier a manager picking a player means nothing for me. I think he should be in. Payet has been quality this season and did not even get in the last squad yet the likes of Sissoko got in when he has been poor this season. And Liverpool not winning with Coutinho says more about the rest of the team not him. Look how clueless they looked without him at Old Trafford. Did they miss him? Of course they did. Now they have him back against Norwich, I can pretty much predict he will be the key difference once again.

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Yeah look at how he always complains to the referee and often leaves something more with tackles. Once Hazard was going to stand up from a foul but Oscar pushed him back down to make it look like Hazard was more hurt than he was.

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Yeah, agreed about the manager situation but that is why I don't agree with 'the manager picks Oscar so it means he is better than Coutinho' theory. Mourinho preferred Oscar over KDB and Mata. For me KDB is a lot better than Oscar but Mourinho obviously preferred Oscar for his set up. If Brazil hired Guardiola, Coutinho may well be their no.10. Just about the type of managers I guess.

Coutinho did not impress at the Copa but he only had 1/2 starts IIRC plus sub appearances. Yeah and he switched of against Azpi but at the same time he had many standout games and was their best player in our COC meeting at Anfield imo. I hope Oscar can improve on that aspect as he rarely gave us that last season. He made the difference in games like Newcastle although his match performance was poor but I would like him to step up more often like the game against Swansea when others are not playing too well.

Regarding Coutinho's style. I do think people look at him and think fragile etc but he has actually improved on his balance a lot. It is why not imo he has a lot more of an effect in the big games and also think he has improved on his work rate. Never realised that about Thiago Silva though.

But for other people to label Coutinho as the next Ganso is utterly ridiculous and says more about one person's hate for a player. Ganso was overrated and never played in a top league while Coutinho has been playing in the PL from age of 19 IIRC. Furthermore he had his real standout season for Liverpool in arguably the best league in the world at 21 so as for Oscar stating he will end up like Ganso says all I need to know. Pure dislike for him.

I like Oscar but like you said about Coutinho I notice this with Oscar a lot. Especially last season. Gives the balanve but I want the contribution on the offensive play on a regular basis. If he does that I am pleased. Just needs to step up more often.

It's not one manager though. It's three. Even at youth level, Oscar was favoured (remember the Olympics and that youth tournament that made Oscar known on a wider scale, scoring a hattrick in the final). As much as we think we know, our amateur knowledge doesn't compare. When it's that many managers, it speaks volumes.

Guardiola possibly picking Coutinho is a non argument, speculation. Guardiola values functional and team players as well.

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Oscar will put to bed both the Coutinho (and Mata) comparisons before the season ends. It's offensive that's they're even being compared but in football you're only as good as your last game.

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It's not one manager though. It's three. Even at youth level, Oscar was favoured (remember the Olympics and that youth tournament that made Oscar known on a wider scale, scoring a hattrick in the final). As much as we think we know, our amateur knowledge doesn't compare. When it's that many managers, it speaks volumes.

Guardiola possibly picking Coutinho is a non argument, speculation.

Before I could understand as I never rated Coutinho that highly. I always use to think he was inconsistent and a player who does not turn up in big games but then slowly he started improving. Last season he was very impressive. But with the old 2 yeah I could understand as he was not a star player then. Now I think he is. But once again he is in a poor team tbh but I still think he is their key to getting top 4. And I disagree with Oscar that Coutinho will drop out the squad unless he performs really bad for Liverpool.

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I said he might. My point is Bayern have a lot of fast wingers who suit Pep's system better. If he managed Brazil I am not sure Oscar would be in his team. Do you think he would? I am not saying Coutinho would be guaranteed but he could be more suited. That is why I never mentioned Coutinho with Bayern but instead if Pep was managing Brazil. Coutinho like Gotze would not be a regular in that team. And Gotze is way too inconsistent for Bayern and has not lived up to the same hype he had at Dortmund.

So you are judging Sterling on a few games played? Does that make Mahrez better than Hazard then who has not scored 1 goal? Don't judge anything by the early stages of the season. The goals will come for Sterling. Remember he is only 20 and has got into double figures for the last couple seasons. I think he will do the same again this season and so far Sterling has fitted in well and will continue to start.

I never watched Ganso live, yes but regardless even when he was good he was playing in Brazil. Coutinho has a decent amount of pace and like I said has been playing in a top league. That is a false assumption and quite ridiculous to suggest he will follow the same route as Ganso. Do you really believe that? And like I said earlier a manager picking a player means nothing for me. I think he should be in. Payet has been quality this season and did not even get in the last squad yet the likes of Sissoko got in when he has been poor this season. And Liverpool not winning with Coutinho says more about the rest of the team not him. Look how clueless they looked without him at Old Trafford. Did they miss him? Of course they did. Now they have him back against Norwich, I can pretty much predict he will be the key difference once again.

PEP scouted Oscar when he was in brazil to join barcelona and wanted him there when he was a teenager. However, at the time, Pep nor barca could make guarantees about his playing time..

Oscar fit's pep because he provides balance to neymar and is key to ball retention and pressing, which are 2 things pep requires in all his players.

Mahrez doesn't play for a big team, Sterling does. Things change when you go on a big team as Sterling is realizing and KDB will realize soon. It's one thing to play for Liverpool, it's another thing to play for Man City.

You never watched Ganso play and say he's overrated. Coutinho, like Ganso will be dropped from the national team once felipe anderson transfers out to a big team and fernando does well at sampordia... So, coutinho will end up like Ganso, forever gone from BRazil national team... SO, Coutinho gets glory when they win and zero fault when they lose, yet Oscar is always the main culprit to chelsea's failure... HAHAHA

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It's not one manager though. It's three. Even at youth level, Oscar was favoured (remember the Olympics and that youth tournament that made Oscar known on a wider scale, scoring a hattrick in the final). As much as we think we know, our amateur knowledge doesn't compare. When it's that many managers, it speaks volumes.

Guardiola possibly picking Coutinho is a non argument, speculation.

He thinks because JT voted for him as POTY, he is therefore consistent player last year.

Doesn't know a thing about tactical voting with players these days on awards.

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Before I could understand as I never rated Coutinho that highly. I always use to think he was inconsistent and a player who does not turn up in big games but then slowly he started improving. Last season he was very impressive. But with the old 2 yeah I could understand as he was not a star player then. Now I think he is. But once again he is in a poor team tbh but I still think he is their key to getting top 4. And I disagree with Oscar that Coutinho will drop out the squad unless he performs really bad for Liverpool.

Fair enough.

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PEP scouted Oscar when he was in brazil to join barcelona and wanted him there when he was a teenager. However, at the time, Pep nor barca could make guarantees about his playing time..

Oscar fit's pep because he provides balance to neymar and is key to ball retention and pressing, which are 2 things pep requires in all his players.

Mahrez doesn't play for a big team, Sterling does. Things change when you go on a big team as Sterling is realizing and KDB will realize soon. It's one thing to play for Liverpool, it's another thing to play for Man City.

You never watched Ganso play and say he's overrated. Coutinho, like Ganso will be dropped from the national team once felipe anderson transfers out to a big team and fernando does well at sampordia... So, coutinho will end up like Ganso, forever gone from BRazil national team... SO, Coutinho gets glory when they win and zero fault when they lose, yet Oscar is always the main culprit to chelsea's failure... HAHAHA

Hazard plays for a big team. 0 goals so far. 1 assist. Sterling 1 goal, 1 assist. So is Hazard realising that? That is a stupid conclusion. Judge him around the Christmas period because I guarantee you I will be laughing at you. Sterling has been good anyway for City. Not standout but effective.

Willian is a bigger culprit than Oscar even though he does much more than him in the game. Oscar gets the stats but Willian is more involved imo. A reason why Oscar got dropped last season and Willian stayed in. And yeah, we are better than Liverpool so I require no passengers in our team. Not saying Oscar is but a lot of games last season he was very average. He got subbed off twice last season around H/T. I don't see why people need to defend Oscar when he was very poor at moments last season. Fact.

He thinks because JT voted for him as POTY, he is therefore consistent player last year.

Doesn't know a thing about tactical voting with players these days on awards.

Well you intrepreted it how you wanted to without being resonable. I knew it was tactical. But my point is the fact that he voted Coutinho shows he had a very good season. He could vote him without being called a cheat because he knows many would agree he had a quality season overall. Why not vote Ozil? Henderson? Sterling? You know, because if he did people would of criticized him hugely. Coutinho had a good season and although he was not on Hazard or Sanchez level he was very good. He votes Ozil for example and there is no logic towards it. But he thought of a player who performed well but would not win it. Is it that hard to understand? But according to you he is a below-average player who was poor last season.