David Luiz

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This Kompany-Luiz debate is so unnecessary.Why do people want to slate Luiz for no reason? I am happy we have him and don't care how he is compared to other defenders.

Because they're roughly the same age and are both apparently 'world-class' so they're going to be compared to one another. Plus most of us would love a defender like Kompany in the team.

[Blue Warrior 109]

Luiz is a liability and his commitment and form have waned since he has been linked to Barcelona. I want to cash in, unless we move him to defensive midfield permanently. I think its safe to say Kompany is yards ahead of David Luiz. Brazil has always had some dodgy defenders.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Luiz and Kompany are very different types of defenders. What they do have in common, though, is that both are capable of being world-class and have showed so, and both have been inconsistent in their time in England and are capable of being absolute liabilities at times.

Luiz is the much much better footballer and obviously he offers so much more going forward. He can be very important to any team with his ability to bring the ball forward and efficiently give an extra man in midfield when needed. He's also a defender who likes to play 1vs1 and intercept attacks before they become a real threat. Kompany, on the other hand, is more of a typical English "no-nonsense" CB. Physically he's stronger than David, but I think mentally as well. Kompany is natural leader and organizer of the defense. Something we have been sorely missing when JT is absent.

The comparisons that are being made at the moment are largely unfair because one is in pretty good form (despite the injury) and the other is in terrible form. It would have been very difficult during the second half of last season to find anyone, even a City fan, who believed that Kompany was better than Luiz.

[Stingray 9,441]

Luiz and Kompany are very different types of defenders. What they do have in common, though, is that both are capable of being world-class and have showed so, and both have been inconsistent in their time in England and are capable of being absolute liabilities at times.

Luiz is the much much better footballer and obviously he offers so much more going forward. He can be very important to any team with his ability to bring the ball forward and efficiently give an extra man in midfield when needed. He's also a defender who likes to play 1vs1 and intercept attacks before they become a real threat. Kompany, on the other hand, is more of a typical English "no-nonsense" CB.

I am going to challenge that tbh. Kompany has had to learn when NOT to football and just be the classis CB. He learned the hard way, like Luiz should.

In his earlier years he was prone to what Luiz is now - going forward regularly and he was very, very good at it. It did leave holes at the back though and he was criticised for it. I think technically he might even edge it compared to Luiz. He dribbles like a boss, really, always been the Brussels street footballer and played for Belgium and Anderlecht in a midfield role sometimes. He actually excelled in that midfield role for Belgium quite a few times as well. Good, clean technical player

Example:

In his early days:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HP9aOSoD8vQ&desktop_uri=/watch?v=HP9aOSoD8vQ

Or:

http://giant.gfycat.com/AgitatedDistortedDegu.gif

[Tomo 21,733]

With central defenders, for truly top one's to blossom they need a truly top one to play next to them aswell, to compliment eachother.

Their are some exception's, like JT in his prime or Thiago Silva now, but mainly defender's are only as good as the defender they are paired with. Carvalho was the main example to that rule with us, when he had JT next to him, he was incredible and probably every bit as good as Terry was, take Terry out and replace him with Bolourhouz, Ben Haim or Essien, then Carvalho looked a shadow of what he was with JT.

If we had Thiago Silva or JT was still in his prime, Luiz would be every bit as good for us as he is for Brazil, for sure.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I am going to challenge that tbh. Kompany has had to learn when NOT to football and just be the classis CB. He learned the hard way, like Luiz should.

In his earlier years he was prone to what Luiz is now - going forward regularly and he was very, very good at it. It did leave holes at the back though and he was criticised for it. I think technically he might even edge it compared to Luiz. He dribbles like a boss, really, always been the Brussels street footballer and played for Belgium and Anderlecht in a midfield role sometimes. He actually excelled in that midfield role for Belgium quite a few times as well. Good, clean technical player

Example:

In his early days:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HP9aOSoD8vQ&desktop_uri=/watch?v=HP9aOSoD8vQ

Or:

http://giant.gfycat.com/AgitatedDistortedDegu.gif

Actually I wasn't talking about on the ball but the way he defends. Kompany defends on the same line as his back four, likes his fullbacks tucked in beside him and defends very well inside the area. Luiz, on the other hand, steps out of the defense to intercept passes and meet attackers and defend against them one-on-one. They are completely different styles and football "cultures".

As for the part about technical ability, I'll believe Kompany is better when I see him score the goal David scored against Basel at the Bridge last season and play one of Luiz's trade-mark 70-yards inch-perfect pass to the striker

[Stingray 9,441]

As for the part about technical ability, I'll believe Kompany is better when I see him score the goal David scored against Basel at the Bridge last season and play one of Luiz's trade-mark 70-yards inch-perfect pass to the striker

As in for the goal

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wiiDpjQVRNQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwiiDpjQVRNQ

And the pass

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3-b7cuJlaBs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3-b7cuJlaBs

[CHOULO19 24,332]

As in for the goal

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wiiDpjQVRNQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwiiDpjQVRNQ

And the pass

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3-b7cuJlaBs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3-b7cuJlaBs

Sorry mate, but that's just power in the shot for the goal. Some of the goals Luiz has scored (obviously the goal vs Basel was the best of the bunch) show technique that the vast majority of midfielders and attackers only dream of having.

The pass was pretty awesome though!

[The Skipper 20,593]

As in for the goal

And the pass

Kompany was/is fantastic technically but Luiz is better in that aspect. In my opinion Luiz is the best CB when it comes to technical attributes and technique.

[Stingray 9,441]

No problem dudes. I am biased as fuck anyway when it comes to Kompany. Love that guy tbh.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Can we just agree that David Luiz can almost certainly do more keepy-uppies than Kompany? John Terry's inability to score goals from from 30 yards out are the reason he'll never make it here. He spent too much time focusing on that boring defending, plus his online presence is shit and I never see him stick his tongue out in a funny manner.

No problem dudes. I am biased as fuck anyway when it comes to Kompany. Love that guy tbh.

Me too. Reminds me of Desailly and Terry.

David Luiz could be a great defender but he's just a poor copy of Lebouef in a wig right now.

[The Skipper 20,593]

No problem dudes. I am biased as fuck anyway when it comes to Kompany. Love that guy tbh.

Yeah I'm a big fan too, the complete defender IMO, shame he's toned it down so much technically - he doesn't need to show that side of his game anymore anyway since he's got a proper footballing team ahead of him at City.

[Stingray 9,441]

Can we just agree that David Luiz can almost certainly do more keepy-uppies than Kompany? John Terry's inability to score goals from from 30 yards out are the reason he'll never make it here. He spent too much time focusing on that boring defending, plus his online presence is shit and I never see him stick his tongue out in a funny manner.

Hahahahaha don't diss the Selfie King, mate!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

No problem dudes. I am biased as fuck anyway when it comes to Kompany. Love that guy tbh.

Don't get me wrong. I love Kompany too. I think he's a very good person, not just footballer. His interviews and tweets are always very well put and level-headed. I would absolutely love to have him at Chelsea.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Here's the other thing about Kompany and Luiz....we'd swap Luiz for Kompany in an instant. City wouldn't.

Kompany is the type of defender we could maybe bring Kalas into the team alongside, and he'd be our captain. Luiz is the type of defender we need to play alongside Terry.

[robsblubot 3,530]

Here's the other thing about Kompany and Luiz....we'd swap Luiz for Kompany in an instant. City wouldn't.

Kompany is the type of defender we could maybe bring Kalas into the team alongside, and he'd be our captain. Luiz is the type of defender we need to play alongside Terry.

That's very subjective. It really depends on the system and other players around. He looks more assertive and has been better than Silva for Brazil for example.

Reckon that he will have a real easy time adapting to Barcelona because technique, esp passing is the #1 skill in their system. Luiz is without a doubt the best cb when it comes to passing, which explains why barca want him.

He will be massive for them unfortunately. His ability to play in the midfield will also help their system. They could regain their top form with luiz spec once messi is back to form.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Here's the other thing about Kompany and Luiz....we'd swap Luiz for Kompany in an instant. City wouldn't.

That's very true. But last season, you wouldn't find anyone here who would have traded Luiz who was one of our best players for Kompany who had a sub-par season. In fact, many fans, yourself included IIRC, wanted David as our next captain last season.

[Phil Driver 503]

Well I think the most telling stat on Luiz is that the worlds best manager is picking Gary Cahill as a defender instead of him and we all know what many on the forum think of Cahill ,so where does that leave Luiz?