David Luiz

[duo11bluecl 207]

Luiz for 35m, Shaw for 25m. Money left over of this sale+ Mata cash leftover to sign a top class striker, Costa for 32m, Cavani for 50m or Rooney for 25m maybe.

Team next season could be:

Courtois/Cech

Ivan/Dave Cahill/Zouma Terry Shaw

Ramires Matic

Willian Oscar Hazard

Costa/Cavani

Sub:

Cech as Courtois will not be here for that, he would be sold if that is the case

Ivan/Dave

Mikel if he is still here

Lampard

Schurrle

Lukaku/Torres

Salah

With Cole out, maybe Mikel out as well. Of course all 3 strikers are gone too, maybe not Torres because no one want him.

[The Skipper 20,593]

And then when Terry retires we'll buy another CB for £30m right?

[robsblubot 3,529]

And then when Terry retires we'll buy another CB for £30m right?

no, we gonna buy Luiz back for 40m just because that's how we roll!

[lionsden 4,689]

The bullshit rumours that I Never once believed aside. Is any club stupid enough to pay 30 odd mil for luiz. Other clubs have scouts and analysts who are unbiased and unimpressed by curly hairs and clownish acts you know.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Really do think Luiz could be on his way if he doesn't buck up his ideas. If we can get one more season out of JT then he and Cahill could well be our first choice pairing next season, and Zouma could take Luiz's spot as third choice with Kalas and maybe even Ivanovic covering (if we get Shaw and can move Azpi to the right).

Since he was dropped after the Newcastle defeat, of 13 league games we've had he has played just TWO in central defence.

Those were the games at home against Swansea and Crystal Palace. Both games can when we only had 3 days rest before the preceding game and before the next game. Either side of the Swansea game we faced Arsenal away and Liverpool at home - Cahill and Terry started both.

If we can get £30 million for him then would it not be madness to turn it down?

[The_Flash 1,144]

I really don't want him to go we are supposed to be strengthen then team, and we've lost Mata, yes he wasn't playing but I didn't honk he would leave and if luiz went *cries*

We need a striker as a priority really today or I fear we will win nothing

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Unless we get a world class CB, we shouldnt sell Luiz.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

I just got one question to people who think we will/should sell Luiz.

Who the hell is supposed to take over his spot?

Terry has been absolutley great, but he doesnt have many seasons left.

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

If Kalas replaces him then I don't mind the sale but since that is unlikely,I doubt anything is going to happen.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I just got one question to people who think we will/should sell Luiz.

Who the hell is supposed to take over his spot?

Terry has been absolutley great, but he doesnt have many seasons left.

On the bench or in midfield? In midfield I'd choose Matic.

As third choice defender, why not Zouma? Why not Ivanovic? Maybe even one of Kalas or Omeruo.

[Barbara 15,149]

right because when Terry picks yet another injury that he's been so prone in the last couple of years, or when one between him or Cahill collects a 6th yellow card and any of those things happen to be before an important match we should just throw Zouma or Kallas there, let's say, against Liverpool.

It seems like an amazing plan imo...

[YouNameIt 1,511]

On the bench or in midfield? In midfield I'd choose Matic.

As third choice defender, why not Zouma? Why not Ivanovic? Maybe even one of Kalas or Omeruo.

Huh? How can he be on the bench or midfield if he is sold?

As to the last sentence, if Zouma is the 3rd defender, who are the other two if Terry is injured for instance?

Why not Ivanovic is easy. Mourinho doesnt play him there even once, and he will ALWAYS be our first choice RB.

Kalas or Omeruo? Allow me to laugh please...

[The only place to be 11,313]

Huh? How can he be on the bench or midfield if he is sold?

As to the last sentence, if Zouma is the 3rd defender, who are the other two if Terry is injured for instance?

Why not Ivanovic is easy. Mourinho doesnt play him there even once, and he will ALWAYS be our first choice RB.

Kalas or Omeruo? Allow me to laugh please...

You said 'who the hell is supposed to take over his spot?'. I asked to which spot you were referring, his spot on the bench or his spot as a DM. We've signed Matic so its less likely he'll play in midfield.

So I assume you mean his spot as third choice defender, and for that I'd probably go with Zouma next season.

If Terry is injured then I'd start Cahill and Zouma and move Ivanovic to third choice. That's based on us getting a left-back in the summer (hopefully Shaw) and being able to play Azpi at right-back more often.

right because when Terry picks yet another injury that he's been so prone in the last couple of years, or when one between him or Cahill collects a 5th yellow card and any of those things happen to be before an important match we should just throw Zouma or Kallas there, let's say, against Liverpool.

It seems like an amazing plan imo...

Against Liverpool? I dunno. Can we trust Luiz in defence against a team as good as Liverpool?

How many games as Luiz played as a centre-back since November 2nd (or the last THREE months) in the league?

[The_Flash 1,144]

I am amazed by some comments against David I think he does bloody well. He played in the CL finall when he was nowhere near fit and did a great job, was there when we needed him.

[Barbara 15,149]

You said 'who the hell is supposed to take over his spot?'. I asked to which spot you were referring, his spot on the bench or his spot as a DM. We've signed Matic so its less likely he'll play in midfield.

So I assume you mean his spot as third choice defender, and for that I'd probably go with Zouma next season.

If Terry is injured then I'd start Cahill and Zouma and move Ivanovic to third choice. That's based on us getting a left-back in the summer (hopefully Shaw) and being able to play Azpi at right-back more often.

Against Liverpool? I dunno. Can we trust Luiz in defence against a team as good as Liverpool?

How many games as Luiz played as a centre-back since November 2nd (or the last THREE months) in the league?

I'd be much more confident about him there than Kalas or a newly-signed Zouma, who will only be available next season.

Terry isn't getting any younger and I'm very thankful he didn't pick an injury this season (and I hope it stays that way), but six months from now he'll be six months older and we don't know how long Cahill's form will last.

Cahill is at his best form of his career at age 28. If he's peaked at age 28, then why can't Luiz too? That right there should invalidate your pragmatic theory that Luiz is too old to improve. Cahill did. Everyone with two eyes (and even without any football knowledge) can watch vids just from last season and this season and see Cahill improved a lot. We don't know how long that will last (again I also hope it stays that way for a long time), so what's wrong with having a strong contingency plan?

And people should be convinced of something that Mourinho said many times: Luiz isn't for sale. I'm not saying Chelsea won't accept a bid for him. But since pre-season and in both transfer windows Mourinho has been emphatic on turning down bids for him, saying he isn't for sale and that he won't leave. That was never how Mourinho talked about Mata or de Bruyne - both of which he said he'd like to keep, but that could leave if they saw fitting. The only way I can see Luiz leaving now is if he puts a request to leave or if we receive 40m+ bid for him. And the reason why Mourinho won't release him as easily as he's released Mata and de Bruyne is simply because he knows that if something affects Terry's or Cahill's good form, or if Luiz regains his form again, he has the right man for the job...

Luiz has made wonderful matches for us in the 3 years he's here, against Liverpool including, so if he's in form, I don't see why he shouldn't play. Regardless of his form though, to say Zouma or Kalas (!) should be higher in the picking order for such a match is nonsense.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

[The only place to be 11,313]

I'd be much more confident about him there than Kalas or a newly-signed Zouma, who will only be available next season.

Terry isn't getting any younger and I'm very thankful he didn't pick an injury this season (and I hope it stays that way), but six months from now he'll be six months older and we don't know how long Cahill's form will last.

Cahill is at his best form of his career at age 28. If he's peaked at age 28, then why can't Luiz too? That right there should invalidate your pragmatic theory that Luiz is too old to improve. Cahill did. Everyone with two eyes (and even without any football knowledge) can watch vids just from last season and this season and see Cahill improved a lot. We don't know how long that will last (again I also hope it stays that way for a long time), so what's wrong with having a strong contingency plan?

Cahill has been a fairly consistent, unspectacular player for much of his career and I don't think he's massively changed from that. He's playing under a better manager in a better, more solid system and he's simply carried on doing the simply things he's always done fairly well.

David Luiz is the same player he was when we signed him, except he hoofs the ball out a little bit more than he used to. Under Mourinho he's been dropped twice and seen more time as a midfielder in the last few months.

But who knows, maybe Luiz can peak in a year's time. That might be around the time he gets a start in defence next.

And people should be convinced of something that Mourinho said many times: Luiz isn't for sale. I'm not saying Chelsea won't accept a bid for him. But since pre-season and in both transfer windows Mourinho has been emphatic on turning down bids for him, saying he isn't for sale and that he won't leave. That was never how Mourinho talked about Mata or de Bruyne - both of which he said he'd like to keep, but that could leave if they saw fitting. The only way I can see Luiz leaving now is if he puts a request to leave or if we receive 40m+ bid for him. And the reason why Mourinho won't release him as easily as he's released Mata and de Bruyne is simply because he knows that if something affects Terry's or Cahill's good form, or if Luiz regains his form again, he has the right man for the job...

If Barca come in with the £30 million bid that was rumoured a while back, why not let him go? We have midfield cover now in Matic and a bright young prospect with amazing potential in Zouma.

Here's the thing....you talk about Luiz in terms of potential, but the guy is 26 and is making the same boneheaded mistakes he made when he was 23. Where's the progression? Where's the ability to learn?

I would honestly take Zouma over him as third choice centre-back next season and use the money to invest in other areas.

Luiz has made wonderful matches for us in the 3 years he's here, against Liverpool including, so if he's in form, I don't see why he shouldn't play. Regardless of his form though, to say Zouma or Kalas (!) should be higher in the picking order for such a match is nonsense.

It's not nonsense to suggest we sell a DEFENDER who has played in defence TWICE in the last THREE months in the league.

[Barbara 15,149]

It's not nonsense to suggest we sell a DEFENDER who has played in defence TWICE in the last THREE months in the league.

and when have I ever said we shouldn't sell him? I'm just saying Mourinho won't release him as easily because his case isn't that similar to Mata (although there are some similarities). It's one thing to say we should sell him and it's another to say I don't think we will. All my posts in the subject here fit the latter.

For a good amount of money I think we should sell him, but we should also sign another more experienced CB to replace him simply because of what I just said, Terry being prone to pick injuries and Cahill having a dig in form (just like Luiz had) would leave us short in the position and the current replacements would impact the team negatively.