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[Kojo 4,676]

get rid of "key players" to get "key players" in? Yeah, that makes sense.

Clearly you know little about business.

Look dumbass, our key players arent as good as other peoples key players, Sunderlands key player is Sessengon, Barcas key player is Messi. So you wouldn't sell Sessengon for Messi?, go on say you wouldn't!, i dare you!.

Sorry but selling Ramires is a must, PROFIT IS WHAT MATTERS NOT PLAYERS!.

[Rambo 1,729]

Look dumbass, our key players arent as good as other peoples key players, Sunderlands key player is Sessengon, Barcas key player is Messi. So you wouldn't sell Sessengon for Messi?, go on say you wouldn't!, i dare you!.

Sorry but selling Ramires is a must, PROFIT IS WHAT MATTERS NOT PLAYERS!.

The question is can you sell sessengnon for messi? And you call me a dumbass.

[Kojo 4,676]

The question is can you sell sessengnon for messi? And you call me a dumbass.

Obviously not it was an example you dumb fuck.

[Rambo 1,729]

Obviously not it was an example you dumb fuck.

Then what's your point? LOL...why would we try to sell one of our best midfielders for profit? Your not seeing the big picture, we're a bigger club than you think.

[Kojo 4,676]

Then what's your point? LOL...why would we try to sell one of our best midfielders for profit? Your not seeing the big picture, we're a bigger club than you think.

Why have players, when you can have PROFIT

[Rambo 1,729]

Why have players, when you can have PROFIT

I rest my case.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Why have players, when you can have PROFIT

Look what 'Profit' has done to Arsenal. They've been trophyless for years...

[Strike 7,533]

Look dumbass, our key players arent as good as other peoples key players, Sunderlands key player is Sessengon, Barcas key player is Messi. So you wouldn't sell Sessengon for Messi?, go on say you wouldn't!, i dare you!.

Sorry but selling Ramires is a must, PROFIT IS WHAT MATTERS NOT PLAYERS!.

Ramires will be pushed out of the wing in the summer. It all depends on how good he is in the centre and by the looks of things so far - Not great but not bad either. an offer of 25+ million and i would sell him, otherwise keep him and sell our other mids

[Kojo 4,676]

Ramires will be pushed out of the wing in the summer. It all depends on how good he is in the centre and by the looks of things so far - Not great but not bad either. an offer of 25+ million and i would sell him, otherwise keep him and sell our other mids

Strike i couldn't trust you mate, yeah you would sell Ramires for 25 million, but then you would go spend that money and buy votes for yourself!.

[Strike 7,533]

Strike i couldn't trust you mate, yeah you would sell Ramires for 25 million, but then you would go spend that money and buy votes for yourself!.

:D Very funny. that's why i named u funniest forumer

but I am repeatedly telling u I did NOT do any such thing. The only OTC member who voted for me was Shogun and that had nothing 2 do with politics

[KamikazeBlue 337]

Look dude i would reply but i'm so pissed at Kamikaze Blue, i think i'm gonna have to take this further.

ARE THERE ANY STAFF ONLINE?

@sloth: you are very adamant on your ideas/opinions.

Same thing happended when u took a stand on having Luiz as CDM. Even when the entire TC provided enough reason to counter your argument,you just wont bend..

Here you go again..

with a crazy idea that we should sell our best players for profit.

This is not a business my friend..this is chelsea fc..

Neither do the fans see this as a business,neither do Roman..

So i request you sloth, dont get offended whenever some1 disagrees..

#evolve

[Strike 7,533]

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fair enough. but where is ramires gonna play next season? after we buy a butload of wingers?

[RamiCFC9 258]

in 4-3-3 he can play as third mid, but in 4-2-3-1, i don't see place for him.

[Kojo 4,676]

@sloth: you are very adamant on your ideas/opinions.

Same thing happended when u took a stand on having Luiz as CDM. Even when the entire TC provided enough reason to counter your argument,you just wont bend..

Here you go again..

with a crazy idea that we should sell our best players for profit.

This is not a business my friend..this is chelsea fc..

Neither do the fans see this as a business,neither do Roman..

So i request you sloth, dont get offended whenever some1 disagrees..

#evolve

I never said i wanted David Luiz CDM so shut it, and i have seen many users say he should get played there, infact i only wanted him to play in midfield for a while. Not adapt there, no one countered my arguement so shut it once again. And if you don't leave my thread i'll have to get the staff here immediately.

[manpe 10,861]

The thing with Ramires is that he doesn't really fit into 4-2-3-1 formation.. he's been shoved to the wing, but it clearly isn't his favourable position. He will be pushed out from there eventually. He can't play the trequartista role, it's Mata's. The double pivot should ideally contain one deep playmaker and a defensive midfielder who sits back. Rami doesn't fit into the double pivot, it would restrict his game too much, hence his average performances there... he's all about box-to-box and counter-attacks. He can't be the deep-lying passer and he isn't very good as a defensive mid.

So we would either have to accomodate our formation to 4-3-3 (unsuitable for Mata), keep using him as a winger or force him into the double pivot, where he doesn't excel and our overall performances would suffer. I can see a problem for him once we get our wings sorted.

[Justin_3d 1,140]

I still sell Miereles and Essien if we could just get Tiote.

Tiote is top dog compare to these 2 at the moment.

Mikel..... at the moment I am undecided, but if you where to tell me that some team will pay a good fee for him I will take it and use some of the money to get someone else.

I would love to get Javi Martinez!

As far as Ramires being sold, I did not want to sell him a couple of months ago, and I still do not want to sell him, unless some ridiculous far fetch fee comes for him that we can't refuse.

At astronomical fees we can't say no. Those opportunities comes once in a lifetime!

[Kojo 4,676]

The thing with Ramires is that he doesn't really fit into 4-2-3-1 formation.. he's been shoved to the wing, but it clearly isn't his favourable position. He will be pushed out from there eventually. He can't play the trequartista role, it's Mata's. The double pivot should ideally contain one deep playmaker and a defensive midfielder who sits back. Rami doesn't fit into the double pivot, it would restrict his game too much, hence his average performances there... he's all about box-to-box and counter-attacks. He can't be the deep-lying passer and he isn't very good as a defensive mid.

So we would either have to accomodate our formation to 4-3-3 (unsuitable for Mata), keep using him as a winger or force him into the double pivot, where he doesn't excel and our overall performances would suffer. I can see a problem for him once we get our wings sorted.

The 4-3-3 can be suitable for Mata, infact for me could be better.

Mata-Ramires

Tiote

Mata has the creative freedom, and can roam about anywhere he wants, as for Ramires and Tiote have much more work rate and Ramires covers. Mata can be the magic man, but i would much rather have a technical player there instead rather than Ramires, have someone who can pass a ball, because Tiote can do a lot of running about i assure you.

[manpe 10,861]

The 4-3-3 can be suitable for Mata, infact for me could be better.

Mata-Ramires

Tiote

Mata has the creative freedom, and can roam about anywhere he wants, as for Ramires and Tiote have much more work rate and Ramires covers. Mata can be the magic man, but i would much rather have a technical player there instead rather than Ramires, have someone who can pass a ball, because Tiote can do a lot of running about i assure you.

In 4-3-3 Mata doesn't have as much freedom, he'd need to be more defensive and more one sided. I believe AVB and Robbie never played Mata in a 4-3-3 midfield three, but rather as a false winger. And when they did play him centrally, the middle park was always clearly in a 2-1 shape, leaving Mata more advanced in the free trequartista role, which he couldn't be in in a 4-3-3.

What you described, I believe, is still the 4-2-3-1 formation, and you placed Ramires in the double pivot role. Okay, but I maintain that ideally there should be a deep passer, a la Lampard under Robbie. Rami can play there but it doesn't benefit his or the team's performances much, our possession and penetration would suffer. He's a rather one dimensional player, very direct, not as universal as Essien was.

[Kojo 4,676]

In 4-3-3 Mata doesn't have as much freedom, he'd need to be more defensive and more one sided. I believe AVB and Robbie never played Mata in a 4-3-3 midfield three, but rather as a false winger. And when they did play him centrally, the middle park was always clearly in a 2-1 shape, leaving Mata more advanced in the free trequartista role, which he couldn't be in in a 4-3-3.

What you described, I believe, is still the 4-2-3-1 formation, and you placed Ramires in the double pivot role. Okay, but I maintain that ideally there should be a deep passer, a la Lampard under Robbie. Rami can play there but it doesn't benefit his or the team's performances much, our possession and penetration would suffer. He's a rather one dimensional player, very direct, not as universal as Essien was.

It's not 4-2-3-1 again, i'm not saying Mata is going to play centrally, i'm saying we should adapt him into a midfielder, he should sit back and help out and Ramires runs forward, get him doing more work and stuff, like City did with Silva.

[manpe 10,861]

It's not 4-2-3-1 again, i'm not saying Mata is going to play centrally, i'm saying we should adapt him into a midfielder, he should sit back and help out and Ramires runs forward, get him doing more work and stuff, like City did with Silva.

Hmm, that's another question already. You want to convert Mata into a more restricted central midfielder to benefit Rami's game, while just a second ago you wanted to sell him. Tbh, our defensive game would take quite a damage because Mata can't defend. 4-2-3-1 has been working well for us, I don't see why we would need to start tinkering with it and totally fucking up Mata's game.