Should AVB be sacked for Mourinho?

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

A specific post was made that received about 8 reps with the comment being, "Mourinho is the best manager----" which i replied in a way that i showed a certain disagree. When Mourinho approached his clubs, he was already surrounded by gifted players, Porto, Chelsea, Inter, as well as Madrid, while he had an unlimited spending amount, and won cups year after year, yet people drool for him. He's always had luck on his side, Porto vs United, as well as Inter vs Barca, at the end, his team wasn't the better team, but he outsmarted them tactically. Apart from his tactics, i don't look upon him as 'the best manager in the world', in some cases a few members here would say. While the likes of SAF, who continues to build generation after generation of stars even with transitions periods throughout United's history, his vision as well as his brilliance stands out as the best manager who ever embraced the Premier league. Instead of breaking into the bank account, he produces youth into the team which emerges future stars. Then you look at Spain with Pep, who's vision of football that he experienced first hand and introduces it to the world in his own style. A team that was so out of form, that lost to Madrid in the league, that lost to United in the champions league, and the next season, manages to win the very first Sixtuplet his very first season with them. Bringing the best out of Xavi, Iniesta, as well as Lionel Messi, introducing youth from La Masia, controlling the team to play as a unit and bringing the greatest chemistry within a football team i have ever seen. I see similarities with AVB in how he is trying to bring his own vision to Chelsea. Lampard, Terry, Drogba, these are still Mourinho's players. This is why i disagree in bringing Mourinho back and why i am backing AVB, he is the future of Chelsea FC, Not Mourinho

instead of breaking into the bank FERGIE brought through youth did he bring Rooney through? What about rio or ronaldo ?are smalling and Jones the recent product of uniteds and fergies famous youth development? Don't be fooled into thinking Alex is some sort of miracle working,youth developing legend who keeps the purse strings tight. As for pep we will never really know just how good he is until he leaves barca. Ps much prefer this sort of reply to your original

[Billy. 2,742]

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Jose-Mourinho-rules-out-return-to-Chelsea-he-wants-to-build-dynasty-like-Fergie-article872378.html

[GodZola 630]

A specific post was made that received about 8 reps with the comment being, "Mourinho is the best manager----" which i replied in a way that i showed a certain disagree. When Mourinho approached his clubs, he was already surrounded by gifted players, Porto, Chelsea, Inter, as well as Madrid, while he had an unlimited spending amount, and won cups year after year, yet people drool for him. He's always had luck on his side, Porto vs United, as well as Inter vs Barca, at the end, his team wasn't the better team, but he outsmarted them tactically. Apart from his tactics, i don't look upon him as 'the best manager in the world', in some cases a few members here would say. While the likes of SAF, who continues to build generation after generation of stars even with transitions periods throughout United's history, his vision as well as his brilliance stands out as the best manager who ever embraced the Premier league. Instead of breaking into the bank account, he produces youth into the team which emerges future stars. Then you look at Spain with Pep, who's vision of football that he experienced first hand and introduces it to the world in his own style. A team that was so out of form, that lost to Madrid in the league, that lost to United in the champions league, and the next season, manages to win the very first Sixtuplet his very first season with them. Bringing the best out of Xavi, Iniesta, as well as Lionel Messi, introducing youth from La Masia, controlling the team to play as a unit and bringing the greatest chemistry within a football team i have ever seen. I see similarities with AVB in how he is trying to bring his own vision to Chelsea. Lampard, Terry, Drogba, these are still Mourinho's players. This is why i disagree in bringing Mourinho back and why i am backing AVB, he is the future of Chelsea FC, Not Mourinho

Luck? Every manager benefits from luck, look at your hero Ferguson, in 99 they benefited from an offside goal that Del Piero scored and went through, then they get outplayed in the final by Bayern who also it the post twice and get 2 goals in the dying minutes to win it, then JT slips when taking his pen with Van Der Sar beaten to hand them another CL success thats not too mention some of the luck he has got down the years from generous refereeing in the PL. You think luck is going what was it 4, 6 or was 8 years unbeaten at home? Taking Porto were he spent next to nothing and made them Uefa and CL winners is luck? Double CL winner - Luck? How many other managers would of taken unfashionable Inter to CL success within 2 years? The fact he has taken on the great Barca side 'the greatest chemistry you have ever seen' and is now a mere 10 points ahead, is that also luck?

Please give the man a little bit of credit, goodness me if that's all luck then i'm going into club management tomorrow - must be easy!

[Blue Armour 4,436]

http://www.mirrorfoo...icle872378.html

That's bound to deflate a few people around here...

[Tomo 21,751]

. While the likes of SAF, who continues to build generation after generation of stars even with transitions periods throughout United's history, his vision as well as his brilliance stands out as the best manager who ever embraced the Premier league. Instead of breaking into the bank account, he produces youth into the team which emerges future stars.

Since Scholes and co when has he done that? The only people he has brought through are squad players like Fletcher and Wes Brown, you could say Jose did the same with us with Huth and the fact coming to the end of his reign he was trying to intergrate Sinclair and Hutch in the squad.

[Justin_3d 1,140]

http://www.mirrorfoo...icle872378.html

I really don't think it says anything new about Mourinho other then that he wants to settle at a club for a long time.

And Chelsea want to settle down as well.....

[Blue Armour 4,436]

Since Scholes and co when has he done that? The only people he has brought through are squad players like Fletcher and Wes Brown, you could say Jose did the same with us with Huth and the fact coming to the end of his reign he was trying to intergrate Sinclair and Hutch in the squad.

Yeah, its ridiculous criticizing Mourinho for not bringing up youth..the man had to establish a strong first 11 in just two years to win titles (see how long it took for Man City?)..In such a scenario any "youth policy" will take the backseat.

[sainttourist 68]

You have a point fella but i think we got an absolute bargain in Mata for 23-26m and i think City got Silva for around the same amount, these 2 imho are worth double that in todays inflated market compared to some of the mediocrity that has been bought now. Lets not forget that the market was still inflated then with Madrid lashing out fortunes on the likes of fat Ronaldo, Figo and Zidane - that was before Roman arrived.

And we we shouldnt forget the salaries, Silva earn more then any one in our team. Salaries become really uncontrollable because of new growing football teams. Our goal to reduce them and earn some money on this to make balance. Thats what AVB trying to say. Get read of some high paid players, bring new with less wages and try to involve some new potential talants, also be competitive on all fronts. I think this is what he called project. Not to buy new superstars this high wages and try to win CL in single year. All of this take time, but stability is necessary. Otherwise we never see homegrown players playing for Chelsea regulary.

[Santiago. 1,500]

instead of breaking into the bank FERGIE brought through youth did he bring Rooney through? What about rio or ronaldo ?are smalling and Jones the recent product of uniteds and fergies famous youth development? Don't be fooled into thinking Alex is some sort of miracle working,youth developing legend who keeps the purse strings tight. As for pep we will never really know just how good he is until he leaves barca. Ps much prefer this sort of reply to your original

If SAF isn't some 'miracle working youth developing legend', then how in good gracious is talent like that somehow emerged?

SAF- Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Neville, Fletcher, Butt, Pique, Brown, Oshea, Rossi, Welbeck, Cleverly

The question is not if pep can only be judged if he goes for another club, it's actually a matter if he can continue to produce great players year after year comparable to the likes of SAF.

Luck? Every manager benefits from luck, look at your hero Ferguson, in 99 they benefited from an offside goal that Del Piero scored and went through, then they get outplayed in the final by Bayern who also it the post twice and get 2 goals in the dying minutes to win it, then JT slips when taking his pen with Van Der Sar beaten to hand them another CL success thats not too mention some of the luck he has got down the years from generous refereeing in the PL. You think luck is going what was it 4, 6 or was 8 years unbeaten at home? Taking Porto were he spent next to nothing and made them Uefa and CL winners is luck? Double CL winner - Luck? How many other managers would of taken unfashionable Inter to CL success within 2 years? The fact he has taken on the great Barca side 'the greatest chemistry you have ever seen' and is now a mere 10 points ahead, is that also luck?

Please give the man a little bit of credit, goodness me if that's all luck then i'm going into club management tomorrow - must be easy!

See now your taking a stab like a pathetic fool

Your statement is at a point where it reaches new lengths of irrational and illogical statements. He already had world class talent when he approached porto, Chelsea, inter, as well as Madrid. That is the main question mark over his forehead, United vs Bayern, yet again, they were not the better team, but luck guided them through, just As porto v United and Inter v Barca. It's the nature of football and how the ball rolls. This is not a matter of being biased for Chelsea, this is just logical thinking, and the idea in how so many people manage to think that Mourniho is the best manager in the world just astonishes me, truly.

[Tomo 21,751]

If SAF isn't some 'miracle working youth developing legend', then how in good gracious is talent like that somehow emerged?

SAF- Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Neville, Fletcher, Butt, Pique, Brown, Oshea, Rossi, Welbeck, Cleverly

The question is not if pep can only be judged if he goes for another club, it's actually a matter if he can continue to produce great players year after year comparable to the likes of SAF.

See now your taking a stab like a pathetic fool

Your statement is at a point where it reaches new lengths of irrational and illogical statements. He already had world class talent when he approached porto, Chelsea, inter, as well as Madrid. That is the main question mark over his forehead, United vs Bayern, yet again, they were not the better team, but luck guided them through, just As porto v United and Inter v Barca. It's the nature of football and how the ball rolls. This is not a matter of being biased for Chelsea, this is just logical thinking, and the idea in how so many people manage to think that Mourniho is the best manager in the world just astonishes me, truly.

If Fergie get's praised for Rossi and Pique surely Jose deserves similar praise for Diarra and Mikel (say what you like about Mikel but he has been an established figure for Chelsea for 6 years and Jose gave him a shot as a teen and he is beter than most of those players after Neville) ?

[eldo 868]

People on this forum demand from manager to play 16-17yo but don't want to give him a chance.

So much about patience and how Roman doesn't have it. Look in the mirror.

[Kezza 1,965]

how do you know Jose even wants to go to Spurs? and the rivalry between the Milan clubs and Chelsea and Spurs is very different!

Maybe he'll see it as a challenge, another club he can bring to the top

[Kojo 4,676]

Sacking AVB would be mean.

[Santiago. 1,500]

If Fergie get's praised for Rossi and Pique surely Jose deserves similar praise for Diarra and Mikel (say what you like about Mikel but he has been an established figure for Chelsea for 6 years and Jose gave him a shot as a teen and he is beter than most of those players after Neville) ?

Were Mikel and Diarra even part of Chelsea's academy? As CM standards, i hope you have some support rather than biased reasoning in how you think Mikel is better than Fletcher

[GodZola 630]

If SAF isn't some 'miracle working youth developing legend', then how in good gracious is talent like that somehow emerged?

SAF- Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Neville, Fletcher, Butt, Pique, Brown, Oshea, Rossi, Welbeck, Cleverly

The question is not if pep can only be judged if he goes for another club, it's actually a matter if he can continue to produce great players year after year comparable to the likes of SAF.

See now your taking a stab like a pathetic fool

Your statement is at a point where it reaches new lengths of irrational and illogical statements. He already had world class talent when he approached porto, Chelsea, inter, as well as Madrid. That is the main question mark over his forehead, United vs Bayern, yet again, they were not the better team, but luck guided them through, just As porto v United and Inter v Barca. It's the nature of football and how the ball rolls. This is not a matter of being biased for Chelsea, this is just logical thinking, and the idea in how so managed to think that Mourniho is the best manager in the world just astonishes me, truly.

You arrogant , do you ever take the time to read other people's post and actually take the time to digest it? What is irrational or illogical about a counter argument about your outrageous and ridiculous post about Jose being lucky? So when he 'APPROACHED' Porto were they CL winners before his tenure? Inter had spent a far sum before his 'APPROACH' but were they CL winners? We had spent a lot under Ranieri, yet were we Champions? Did Pelligrini or whatever his name was that managed Madrid before Jose win the spanish title despite spending huge sums? Of course its a huge fucking NO, they had good squads, spent fortunes but couldn't achieve what Jose has. What is 'truly astonishing is people like you who cannot bring yourself to give the man a tiny bit of credit for his achievements but continue to play down his success because you have a wankfest over Playstation of FIFA 10000 and you think you know it all, there are too many jumped up arseholes like you on here that need to fuckoff and support someone else!

You typify what is wrong with fans today, haven't got a fucking clue yet you preach from the high heavens and show complete disrespect to the best Chelsea manager ever and when did i ever spout off that 'Jose was the best manager in the world' i stated and it is FACT that he is the most successful Chelsea manager ever, next time you reply to someone read and take in their post before counteracting with abuse and a response that clearly puts you on a fishing trip. Its clear to say that best you avoid me in future.