Juan Mata

[Pizy 18,548]

So who's organizing the boycott if Mata is sold to United? Unless we get Rooney in return THIS MONTH then no way. None of this "give us Mata now and we'll let you have Rooney in the summer" bullshit that United fans are talking about.

Would be an absolute outrage if he's sold there without us getting anything in return other than cash.

[lionsden 4,689]

  On 20/01/2014 at 22:42, James said:

ChelsTransferGossip ‏@ChelsTransfer21s

Manchester United are closing in on a £37m move for Juan Mata (Telegraph)

Very tempting... but surely we cant sell, only if we get Rooney.

If we reject the bid, he should hand in a transfer request and force the move and guess what, I won't even be mad at him for it. he's too good to be rotting on the bench.he will find plenty of clubs where he would "fit" in the managers plan.

[Sheva. 5,373]

37m is too much to turn down for a benchwarmer. Sell him and use some of the money to reinvest in a player Mourinho wants.

[Korea 734]

  On 20/01/2014 at 22:53, lionsden said:

If we reject the bid, he should hand in a transfer request and force the move and guess what, I won't even be mad at him for it. he's too good to be rotting on the bench.he will find plenty of clubs where he would "fit" in the managers plan.

He wont fit Moyes.

With the return of Rooney +RVp, he going to play on the wings and with the emergence of Adan, I highly doubt they would do this (unless, its a board move)..

Also, what clubs do you speak of that would make Mata their number 1 option on their team?

[zolayes 14,489]

  On 20/01/2014 at 23:02, Sheva. said:

37m is too much to turn down for a benchwarmer. Sell him and use some of the money to reinvest in a player Mourinho wants.

sell him to manure ....You can NOT be serious ,,,,,

[HD3D 1,038]

I don't believe Mou would sell them Mata. However, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced this could actually happen and it could be a genius move by Mourinho.

Hear me out guys:

First of all, from a strategic point of view, Mourinho has already stated he believes Manchester United are out of the title race, PLUS we won't be facing Mata + United again this season (seeing as Mata is cup-tied for the Champions League and we already played them twice in the EPL). So strengthening United with Mata would ONLY cause damage to our title rivals seeing as United still has to play Arsenal, Liverpool AND City.

Add to that the fact that Chelsea has to deal with its financial loss, Mata will want to be at a club where he can get minutes in order to be at the world cup and the fact that such deal could potentially make room for Rooney in the summer. On top of all of that, we would be getting 37 million for a player that has fallen to the category of bench warmer for Chelsea.

This deal makes so much sense in sooo many ways. I'm somewhat afraid to say this but,... I... hope the deal goes through.

Still love you Juan, I'm sorry.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Would not blame him for goin to united

[De_ChrapQaa 192]

I hope our board isn't that stupid :/

[zolayes 14,489]

anyone who has watched manure this year and doesnt think Mata would massively improve them IS FUCKING KRAZY

[Thendo 1,088]

  On 20/01/2014 at 23:05, HD3D said:

I don't believe Mou would sell them Mata. However, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced this could actually happen and it could be a genius move by Mourinho.

Hear me out guys:

First of all, from a strategic point of view, Mourinho has already stated he believes Manchester United are out of the title race, PLUS we won't be facing Mata + United again this season (seeing as Mata is cup-tied for the Champions League and we already played them twice in the EPL). So strengthening United with Mata would ONLY cause damage to our title rivals seeing as United still has to play Arsenal, Liverpool AND City.

Add to that the fact that Chelsea has to deal with its financial loss, Mata will want to be at a club where he can get minutes in order to be at the world cup and the fact that such deal could potentially make room for Rooney in the summer. On top of all of that, we would be getting 37 million for a player that has fallen to the category of bench warmer for Chelsea.

This deal makes so much sense in sooo many ways. I'm somewhat afraid to say this but,... I... hope the deal goes through.

Still love you Juan, I'm sorry.

But if so we will have to face a much stronger united next season that may well be up there fighting for the title.

[lionsden 4,689]

  On 20/01/2014 at 23:04, Korea said:

He wont fit Moyes.

With the return of Rooney +RVp, he going to play on the wings and with the emergence of Adan, I highly doubt they would do this (unless, its a board move)..

Also, what clubs do you speak of that would make Mata their number 1 option on their team?

Why not let him rot on the bench then since he doesn't fit jose's style. if the rumour is true then no club in the world would be stupid enough to invest £37m on a player they don't intend to use as a no 1 option/regular starter. I'm not interested in debating where and how he would fit into a system yada yada same ole argument that has been recycled a billion times. Anyone club willing to spend that amount of money on a player obviously values the player highly to commit to such investment and will find a way to fit him into the starting eleven. It's simple really.

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

  On 20/01/2014 at 23:05, HD3D said:

I don't believe Mou would sell them Mata. However, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced this could actually happen and it could be a genius move by Mourinho.

Hear me out guys:

First of all, from a strategic point of view, Mourinho has already stated he believes Manchester United are out of the title race, PLUS we won't be facing Mata + United again this season (seeing as Mata is cup-tied for the Champions League and we already played them twice in the EPL). So strengthening United with Mata would ONLY cause damage to our title rivals seeing as United still has to play Arsenal, Liverpool AND City.

Add to that the fact that Chelsea has to deal with its financial loss, Mata will want to be at a club where he can get minutes in order to be at the world cup and the fact that such deal could potentially make room for Rooney in the summer. On top of all of that, we would be getting 37 million for a player that has fallen to the category of bench warmer for Chelsea.

This deal makes so much sense in sooo many ways. I'm somewhat afraid to say this but,... I... hope the deal goes through.

Still love you Juan, I'm sorry.

The World does not end after this season mate...

[ephreak 42]

Don´t forget that Mata to United may actually attract other players to come to their otherwise sinking ship. I don´t get you guys, those who says there are logical explanation behind all of this are forgetting that this is MANCHESTER UNITED and there shouldn´t be any sale from Chelsea whatsoever!

[Korea 734]

  On 20/01/2014 at 23:10, lionsden said:

Why not let him rot on the bench then since he doesn't fit jose's style. if the rumour is true then no club in the world would be stupid enough to invest £37m on a player they don't intend to use as a no 1 option. I'm not interested in debating where and how he would fit into a system yada yada same ole argument that has been recycled a billion times.

If he hands in a transfer request as you said. Its going to be the same situation over there as well...

[laeth 527]

Fuck giving United Mata. Sign Mata, a decent centre midfield player and Coentrao and they'd be right on our heels again. We want United to do a Liverpool - they make too much money and we don't want them making Champions League this year so they can spend it all on proper players.

[The Skipper 20,593]

£37m is a lot of money, Jesus.

Just the fact that it's United is the bit that's putting me off a bit - however, if they could sweeten the deal by perhaps give us something like £25m + Rooney I would 110% do it.

[Jase 43,479]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-deny-juan-mata-3042608

The bid has been denied by United apparently...

[Barbara 15,149]

  On 20/01/2014 at 16:50, BluesMaster said:

But when we do that, another problem appears. He's not as effective out wide as he is in the No.10 role and when that happens, our threat from his side probably drops 25-50%.

question is, does that 25-50% is something we miss? Not really. We've scored 10 goals in 4 matches in 2014 and we've conceded 1 goal. I wouldn't change a thing about the team because at the end of the day the result is there and I feel we're progressing. Why risk improving our attack by also risking missing our pressing?

It isn't only the defensive contribution he misses, he simply doesn't fit the system. Either he adapts to it or he'll warm the bench for as long as he stays here. Oscar has less to do with that Mata being benched, rather than Mata's inability to fit.

I said it last week, I'll repeat again, I guess people are confusing two different things.

1) we had an ineffective system in the past two years that didn't require from him to help the midfield or to press, he had a lot of freedom and with Rafa nearly total and it cost us dearly as we didn't have any balance at all. A better pivot LAST SEASON would have made up for some of the liability Mata offers, and we would have possibly done better, as we would have had his offensive contribution and a better protection to our defense.

2) We currently have an effective system where Mata doesn't fit for a number of reasons: isn't fast enough, isn't direct enough, doesn't press enough, doesn't defend well enough, offers plenty of space on his back. To top all that he's in bad form. So a better pivot NOW does NOTHING for Mata or very little because the system focus on something else (something he lacks). It's the high press and the more urgent game, the receiving the ball in the run and making things happen OFF the ball that is required by the system. A better pivot does nothing to help him fit in the system, but it strengthens our system nonetheless.

At the end of the day there are only two ways for Mata right now: adapt to the system or lose space in the team (he could also leave, but it doesn't depend entirely on him). It makes no sense for Mourinho to risk changing the system just because we have a better pivot that would make up for Mata's limitations for a few reasons, the main of them because it's the critical part of the season, changing a system now is suicidal. We haven't even completely sharpened the one we do have in place, changing it now makes no sense. Also, I'm not sure Mata is world class enough to have a system built around him... He can contribute a lot, and even with a better pivot protecting the defense and reducing spaces, this is the Premier League. This is literally another league and I think a better pivot makes up partially for the exposition he offers in a system where he has a lot of freedom, but I'm not sure such system is more effective than the one we have in place especially because this is English footie.

He will never have freedom here, and doesn't matter if he's a winger or a CAM. I'm not even sure with less freedom he'd do much better as a CAM, after all he did spend plenty of time in the middle (statistically more than in the wing, or about the same) and I've seen little coming from him anyway... The positioning worsens something that is already working against him. He simply doesn't fit and I don't think he's worth the risk of having a slower system that relies less on pressing just so we can capitalize his qualities.