Juan Mata

[Korea 734]

At the time Rooney only had 2 years left, MU didn't want to sale at any cost, Mata was still part of Mou's plan and was worth more than Rooney based on last season, swap wouldn't make sense then unless they add in something.

Mata was never part of Mourinho plan....

Mourinho plan was to slowly fade out Mata so he wouldnt get the supporters disapproval for the direct sale of Mata.....

In addition, Rooney didnt want to be at United or for Moyes... Had we swap and added cash, we might of had a chance at him. rooney fits the team better than Torres, eto, ba or lukaku.

[bushman 2,043]

He is definitely out of his best form, but I'm still not giving up on him. Having an in-form Mata would be of great use to us, he just needs to find that piece of magic again.

Where should he look for it, on the bench ? That´s where he is gonny be most of the times. Jose will never forgive him for today´s rants.

[Azpinator 2,325]

He was a great player for us...but we were a poor team.

Really? So adding Eto'o, Schurrle and Willian made us not poor?

He's been awful this season, he doesn't fit the system and he was awful today. He deserved to be subbed and he didn't need to make the fuss he did. I'm only disappointed the cameras didn't cut to him when Oscar actually started leading this team.

He had a couple of bad games which happened to every single player of our team. How was he awful today? he was good, he played a lot of key passes, you can watch it again.. He didn't deserve to be subbed for that. Oscar got lucky with that deflected cross in Torres goal which was a critical moment in the game.

[bushman 2,043]

Just browse through some UK papers now. Every cunt has already reported Mata can leave if he wants, ADMITS JOSE is the headline.

As I said, Chelsea is not well liked in fucking UK, any small quarrel is blown out of proportions, just to damage the club.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Really? So adding Eto'o, Schurrle and Willian made us not poor?

He had a couple of bad games which happened to every single player of our team. How was he awful today? he was good, he played a lot of key passes, you can watch it again.. He didn't deserve to be subbed for that. Oscar got lucky with that deflected cross in Torres goal which was a critical moment in the game.

You can believe that second part if you want, but Oscar and Willian's introduction saw us add pace and precision to our play. Personally I'm not too fussed who plays, so long as they work hard and produce results. At the moment that's Oscar and Mourinho doesn't seem willing to change his number 10 any time soon.

Adding a manager like Mourinho and players like Willian made us 'not poor'.

[bushman 2,043]

Chelsea is far from being poor. Whoever think they are ought to try to watch Manures, instead.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Believe it or not, sometime actually replacing great players even at the peak of their game is part of the club moving forward. MU had to replace Ronaldo, Rooney stepped up. They had to replace Van Gol, the likes of Ronaldo, Rooney, Saha...etc stepped up to fill in his shoes. Arsenal had to do this yearly, Liverpool had to do it when Torres left and Suarez they got. So now it is our turn, Barca and Madrid also do this regularly as well. It is rarely ever the case of a player dominating in a team for most of his career, the likes of Messi, Ronaldo are exceptions, most of the time players no matter how good they are only really have 2-3 years top at a club, the likes of fat Ronaldo, Ibra...etc all left big teams at the peak of their game because things didn't work out for them, and they are still flourshing/were after they left.

So there is still hope for Mata, just not at Chelsea as long as Mourinho is still here which he will be because he is one of us.

[chelseathebest 150]

He had a couple of bad games which happened to every single player of our team. How was he awful today? he was good, he played a lot of key passes, you can watch it again.. He didn't deserve to be subbed for that. Oscar got lucky with that deflected cross in Torres goal which was a critical moment in the game.

Spot on.

Almost every CFC player has had a fair number of shit games this season, including Jose's favorites.

Hazard was shit at the beginning of the season (still, he was never dropped by Mou).

Oscar has also had a decent number of shit games.

Mata is unlucky that from the very beginning Jose didn't consider him a starter.

Surely this is a tough situation for him. I like him very much and I hope he'll manage to earn his place. It'll be hard for him, but not impossible.

[darrus 422]

Where should he look for it, on the bench ? That´s where he is gonny be most of the times. Jose will never forgive him for today´s rants.

That would be probably the main narrative now when Mata is starting the games on the benck. But the reality is - under Mourinho Ramos played despite repeated acts of direct disobedience, Coentrao played even after his misbehaviors, heck, Vitor Baia got away with a good selection of insults and attempt at physical agression towards Jose.

So I very much doubt that throwing a bit of hissy fit will be the reason Mata gets benched. Not good enough contribution to the team's play will be.

[chelseathebest 150]

It has nothing to do with form......

Its the fact that he is playing on the wings and in the center, rather than staying mainly in the center role. In addition, he is required to use a lot of energy pressing..

Mata still is the same player he was last season, its just his role and current tactics arent beneficial for him to have incredible stats....

It surely does him no good, but still I think that he is generally not at his best.

[gr123 167]

I've got a lot of respect for Mata. Poor team or not, he pretty much carried the team for 2 years. Clearly isn't going to be an important part of the squad anymore so if he goes abroad and we can get at least £20m for him, I'll be happy.

United and Liverpool fans reckon they can get him - they can both fuck right off.

[OnePound 22]

Mata was never part of Mourinho plan....

Mourinho plan was to slowly fade out Mata so he wouldnt get the supporters disapproval for the direct sale of Mata.....

In addition, Rooney didnt want to be at United or for Moyes... Had we swap and added cash, we might of had a chance at him. rooney fits the team better than Torres, eto, ba or lukaku.

Best message of the entire thread!

[GodZola 630]

Jose won't mind Mata showing some frustration in fact he would prefer his players to be pissed off when they are taken off as opposed to being jovial in the dug-out after getting the hook, however Juan should show his disgust away from the cameras.

As for his current predicament I concur that he has to knuckle down and prove to Jose that he can make it in this team and make himself un-droppable, the problem for him is that he is not being given enough playing time to get any sort of consistency in his game, the same goes for our strikers and we only have to look at JT's performances this season to recognize this.

I don't agree that he doesn't fit our system either, we will play different systems & personnel will change to suit which team we are playing, he is not as adaptable as Hazard or Oscar but he is far better in his natural position, I believe that he would be a success playing more regularly and as what you lot call it now as a number 10.

I actually think that Mata coming out showing some aggression will work in our favour because I can see him having a private chat with Jose were things will ironed out and perhaps Juan will now get angry and start producing and playing like the world class player we all know he is.

Nonetheless I've always said I will trust Jose's judgement & if he is sold then so be it and I'm a big fan of Mata, although I can see him coming back to haunt us, there is barely a side in the world that wouldn't want Mata. One last point to add is that if he is sold (I sincerely hope he is not) then the same people on here who state he cannot make it here will be crying out for his creativity when we hit a dodgy patch, the one thing that sets him apart from most pro's is his ability to create chances, his assists in the previous 2 seasons back that up - be careful what you wish for.........

[bushman 2,043]

That would be probably the main narrative now when Mata is starting the games on the benck. But the reality is - under Mourinho Ramos played despite repeated acts of direct disobedience, Coentrao played even after his misbehaviors, heck, Vitor Baia got away with a good selection of insults and attempt at physical agression towards Jose.

So I very much doubt that throwing a bit of hissy fit will be the reason Mata gets benched. Not good enough contribution to the team's play will be.

You may call it as you like. The bottom line, Jose does not tolerate it. Just track Jose dealings with others.

Mata has got himself in very difficult situation.

[darrus 422]

You may call it as you like. The bottom line, Jose does not tolerate it. Just track Jose dealings with others.

Mata has got himself in very difficult situation.

I just gave you 3 examples of Jose's dealings with others - after a lot worse things than Mata's show today. And there are more, from Materazzi to Carvalho. So by past examples his behavior alone isn't enough to get him in trouble. His underperformance on the other hand is a real reason for problems.