The English Football Thread

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5 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

La Liga Boss already said that CAS is not the right institution for football decisions. Legend

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More will follow suit and something will be done one way or another.

[Pizy 17,860]

FFP was already going to be relaxed if not completely gone this summer due to the virus. That plus now having the evidence that UEFA are toothless means that if clubs with unlimited money like City and PSG want to they can go ape shit.

Expect Pep will be buying at least 2 new hugely expensive defenders, finally buy a long term Aguero successor/replacement, and maybe even another expensive wide player to replace Sané.

[Special Juan 27,093]

They will now get Koulibaly and I rate Jesus massively, I don't think they will go for a top striker as it's not needed.

I expect two big signings for them.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Yes and what are we going to do?

System knows people have become such pussies who will do nothing about things like these.

Cty ban overturned? Clear sign of corruption? 

People: shame on u uefa/cas....and move forward.

Meanwhile these institutions get paid to hide evidence and thats it. Money rules everything, its above fair and justice, even in football.

[Jase 43,479]

sPuRs WiLl ThRoW aWaY tHe LeIcEsTeR gAmE

[chelsea_4_eva 1,137]

The fact that it was only 5 years ago and they claim its invalid is pathetic. Basically just finding reasons really. Money talks.

Lets focus on our top 4!

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16 minutes ago, chelsea_4_eva said:

The fact that it was only 5 years ago and they claim its invalid is pathetic. Basically just finding reasons really.

Money talks, it is what it is.

Lets focus on our top 4!

Essentially CAS admits City deliberately mislead UEFA in the previous investigation, but then states that the FFP offences are time barred because of that previous investigation (which came to the wrong conclusions because of City’s misrepresentations) and so they can only punish them for the article 56 failure. Its completely bonkers.

 

" The CAS award emphasized that most of the alleged breaches reported by the Adjudicatory Chamber of the CFCB were either not established or time-barred. [...] However, considering i) the financial resources of MCFC; ii) the importance of the cooperation of clubs in investigations conducted by the CFCB, because of its limited investigative means; and iii) MCFC’s disregard of such principle and its obstruction of the investigations, the CAS Panel foundthat a significant fine should be imposed on MCFC[...]"

 

 These two don`t make City sound innocent at all. So CAS is saying that city obstructed the investigation but their conclusion is that this is only worth a fine? Hmm, sounds very questionable

 

[chelsea_4_eva 1,137]

The fact that City's misrepresentations was fined 10 mil proves that they are hiding something, yet they escape scot free is baffling.

[King Kante 1,290]

9 minutes ago, chelsea_4_eva said:

The fact that City's misrepresentations was fined 10 mil proves that they are hiding something, yet they escape scot free is baffling.

The problem is FFP isn't enforceable. This outcome, where City get fined, is just a compromise to make it look like FFP is valid but they just didn't catch them in time. 

[Special Juan 27,093]

Penchester United will win 4-0 tonight

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From RC:

So the CAS ruling is
- City broke FFP
- City hid this from authorities to avoid punishment
- These offences are now either too far in the past or covered by previous settlement
- So we can only punish them for hiding things from authorities

what is completely corrupt is that if the punishment for hiding an offence is less than the punishment for the offence itself (which is what CAS has done), why would any rational club NOT hide/fail to cooperate.

CAS essentially agrees there was even more deliberate rulebreaking than just FFP offences and yet deemed it worthy of reduced punishment??

 

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1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

They will now get Koulibaly and I rate Jesus massively, I don't think they will go for a top striker as it's not needed.

I expect two big signings for them.

What has "not needed" ever stopped city 😂

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So tonight either udt will destroy SH or they will struggle which means the refs will hand them a booster as always, in any case we will see udt in third.

[Vesper 27,282]

Oki, so I am back from work. Obviously bad news, but it is not entirely over.

A massive key is latter this week when CAS issues their full written, detailed ruling.

Barca and other clubs are raging. There is a court of appeal, that being the Swiss federal court system.

First off, ultra shady interpretation of 'time-barred'. 80% of the cheating happened WITHIN the 5 years lens, but because the first 20% was outside (by a year or so) CAS tossed it all out. That is hyper dodgy right there. THERE is the first part of your corruption.

Furthermore, CAS itself has already set precedent that time-barring doesn't matter IF you lied and obstructed with the investigation, which Shitty did. The most famous CAS case ever where time-barred infractions still were upheld due to lying and obstruction is one that all on here will know. Lance Armstrong, the world champions yank cyclist and his doping cases. THERE is the 2nd part of the corruption.

The key is the written ruling, as CAS gave TWO explanations (UEFA not showing enough evidence and also time-barring), if the major reason was not proving, then UEFA is in deep shit, but the decision will probably not be appealed to the Swiss federal courts. IF, on the other hand, time-barring was the main reason, it may well be appealed. Multiple other clubs are also talking about all this and FFP overall as well.

 

ALL my faith in the sports legal system internal oversight apparatus of checks and balances is now shot to fuck. Only actual, nation-state-backed, (ie Switzerland for now) real courts (or EU courts) can save this.

 

bad bad precedents going on here either way

[Vesper 27,282]

Liverpool manager Klopp set to leave club in four years

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[BXL70 395]

Yes, City broke FFP rules. As did PSG when it spent 400£m on Neymar and Mbappé. Among other clubs.

Problem is that there is nothing wrong according to EU rules.

FFP was dead from the outset as not aligned with legislation. UEFA and CAS cannot impose their own rules to the EU authorities.

The case of Chelsea is different as we were in breach with EU legislation.

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21 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Oki, so I am back from work. Obviously bad news, but it is not entirely over.

A massive key is latter this week when CAS issues their full written, detailed ruling.

Barca and other clubs are raging. There is a court of appeal, that being the Swiss federal court system.

First off, ultra shady interpretation of 'time-barred'. 80% of the cheating happened WITHIN the 5 years lens, but because the first 20% was outside (by a year or so) CAS tossed it all out. That is hyper dodgy right there. THERE is the first part of your corruption.

Furthermore, CAS itself has already set precedent that time-barring doesn't matter IF you lied and obstructed with the investigation, which Shitty did. The most famous CAS case ever where time-barred infractions still were upheld due to lying and obstruction is one that all on here will know. Lance Armstrong, the world champions yank cyclist and his doping cases. THERE is the 2nd part of the corruption.

The key is the written ruling, as CAS gave TWO explanations (UEFA not showing enough evidence and also time-barring), if the major reason was not proving, then UEFA is in deep shit, but the decision will probably not be appealed to the Swiss federal courts. IF, on the other hand, time-barring was the main reason, it may well be appealed. Multiple other clubs are also talking about all this and FFP overall as well.

 

ALL my faith in the sports legal system internal oversight apparatus of checks and balances is now shot to fuck. Only actual, nation-state-backed, (ie Switzerland for now) real courts (or EU courts) can save this.

 

bad bad precedents going on here either way

Its utterly bent the system, there is no integrity left at all, you can do whatever the fuck you want and get away scot free as long as you have the money. If this was SH etc you can bet they would have been destroyed.

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2 minutes ago, BXL70 said:

Yes, City broke FFP rules. As did PSG when it spent 400£m on Neymar and Mbappé. Among other clubs.

Problem is that there is nothing wrong according to EU rules.

FFP was dead from the outset as not aligned with legislation. UEFA and CAS cannot impose their own rules to the EU authorities.

If so then why did city lie so much? Why cook the books if ffp has no legs at all? Why sponsor yourself to death but hide it? We all know what city have done here, its undeniable.