Ramires

[Barbara 15,149]

Are people basing the idea that Ramires is going to feature in most matches because of this friendly? honest question.

Neither Azpili nor Luís started and Iva was in the RB... Also I doubt we'll feature a 4-2-3-1 with Ramires as one of the AMs in the majority of the matches. He can play a role and he does it well in big matches when played in the position. I think he's good playing as the second midfielder in a 4-3-3 (don't like him as first or third though, although he doesn't compromise technically as first). He was good today, he has been good in many matches for us, but let's not forget this was Real Sociedad... they weren't impressive marking, they had ups and down pressing and they weren't as physical as teams will be in EPL. When all those things happen - and they happen quite often in England - Ramires misplaces more passes and his shortcomings are more visible.

Last season he was useful and good for us in big matches because we gave the ball to the opposition. He's much better off the ball than on the ball. He can pick a pass, the same way he can score a wonderful goal. The problem is the occurrence of those two things.

I value him in the squad, but that's where I think he's worth, in the squad, not in the first team for the majority of matches, let alone for all matches.

What Mourinho thinks or does, I don't know. But as unimpressive as Willian or Oscar have been creatively, I'd rather play them than Ramires in the wings, especially if Schurrle plays. Schurrle has the pace Ramires has (not saying literally) and decent work-rate and he has many things Ramires doesn't. If we're taking the route I think we are, we'll be much less defensive oriented this season. We'll go back to plan Mourinho had up to December last season and in that plan Ramires is needed in the lineup in some specific situations, not in a daily basis.

[Tomo 21,751]

We keep hearing the same thing about Ramires being undroppable under Jose. What is this based on? If Vidal Pogba or someone come next year he will be right down the pecking order.

[Barbara 15,149]

We keep hearing the same thing about Ramires being undroppable under Jose. What is this based on? If Vidal Pogba or someone come next year he will be right down the pecking order.

People are missing the plot with Ramires in all honesty. We used to have Mikel, aging (and many times injured) Lamps, improvised David Luiz and Ramires as pivot options. It's no wonder he was a nailed starter then. It's not wonder we've spend literally seasons complaining about our pivot.

But then they think Mourinho is stupid enough to bring improvement and still keep Ramires as the first name in his lineup (as if he ever was). We finally have top class #6 and #8 people want Ramires to still start and they assume Mourinho will want that too. If that's the case why did we sign Matic and Cesc? If Mourinho was so happy with Ramires, there's no reason to bring those two guys. I'm not saying Ramires won't play an important role. He will start some profile of matches, whether it's a 4-2-3-1 replacing Cesc or in a 4-3-3 moving Oscar to the bench. He will come as a sub in many other matches, but this 'first name in the team sheet' BS is hard to understand now that we have nearly world-class players in the two positions Ramires plays the most. Our wingers options are also better than him, but he offers the athletic aspect Mourinho loves and until the team is there, Ramires will have an important role. The day this is a well oiled machine, his role in the team will be more and more secondary because by then we won't be the team 'scared' of facing stronger or more dangerous sides. We'll be the stronger, more dangerous side ourselves and that's when Ramires becomes much less important, but as of now, he's still important, but I'm willing to bet he won't start as many matches as he did in the past. It would make our improvements in the pivot null and void...

[BlueLyon 9,359]

If Ramires keeps form and Oscar plays hot and cold, this is what we will see alot next season:

Rambo-Matic-Cesc

Willian-Costa-Hazard

IMO if Ramires gets to best form, I would have him in team every time. But only as I said, if he is on best form. He helps defence, he gives lot of speed to midfield and mobility, while he is also capable of pulling amazing pass, shot or tackle.

I will not be sold in Matic-Cesc pivot until they prove in PL in at least 5 games. I have feeling them together are just too slow and we need someone who will add speed to midfield and more importantly run up and down quickly to help defend.

He has his trouble with simple passes, but Im sure Mou can control his temper and if Ramires can step up and be more concentrated when on ball, we will have better team than the one with both Oscar and Cesc in team. Oscar simply doesnt cut it yet in attacking sense (well at least not regulary), while we have plenty of creativity elsewhere now. And Ramires is better in defence than Oscar.

If Ramires keeps good form and Oscar plays bad, I wont have nothing against having Rambo in first team. But I dont want last (2nd half) season Ramires in first 11, that would be shit.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I've always had a high opinion of him. A lot of people don't like him though, he gets a lot of stick around here. Probs even more so than Mikel these days.

People need someone to blame. Kalou and Bosingwa then it was Mikel and now Rambo.

With Ramires is bit different though, because it seems people have forgotten how good player he was for us last few years. Shame realy. I hope he gets back on top this year and shut people mouths.

[Henrique 9,133]

"Ramires is an extension of the manager on the pitch".

Ramires is a boss.

[didierforever 7,349]

A player gives 3 brilliant performances in the 3 matches he plays, but all the talk is he is in the team cos he is a manager favourite. What is wrong with some people??

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

No way Ramires will be benched.

He brings the athleticism and energy to the midfield that Matic and Cesc in particular can't offer/match. Sure Matic ran the most kilometers in the games vs City and also Liverpool but still hes not the same as Ramires in terms of mobility. Also if we are going to play with high pressing, Ramires is a must in my eyes. Cesc is also a must in our team high pressing or not because he can control games like nobody else in our team in my eyes even if we line up playing him as the furthest forward midfielder in a 4-3-3 or as a number 10 in a 4-2-3-1. I personally think Oscar could have his work cut out to be first choice number 10 in a 4-2-3-1 or as a more advanced midfielder in a 4-3-3.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

He is quite brilliant yesterday. I hope he could maintain that performance for the next match he played in. It seems a little bit competition in CM somehow make him better. Keep up the good work, Rami.

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

No matter what I have always loved this guy. His work rate is absolutely immense. I don't particularly agree that Jose signed Matic and Cesc because he was not happy with Ramires. I think it was more because we needed a player who can break up the oppositions attack and be good with the ball at the same time (Matic), and a player who can control the game and use the runs of our wingers/Costa more efficiently (Fabregas). I still do believe that Ramires is going to play in a lot of games but it doesn't mean he is a usual starter ahead of Cesc and Matic or whoever plays at RM.

[Henrique 9,133]

A player gives 3 brilliant performances in the 3 matches he plays, but all the talk is he is in the team cos he is a manager favourite. What is wrong with some people??

Whats is wrong with you? Ramires will be player of the season.

[blu35_army 551]

he's the complete puzzle at 4-3-3 system...

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Yesterday was his best game in a long, long, long time. I hope it isn't just a flash in the pan.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

He needs to be consistent with his performances.

Last season he was suspended or suffering from terrible form when we needed his energy and legs, towards the end of the season even though he had a pretty good start to the season.

[The only place to be 11,313]

People need to get over the idea that a player either will or won't be a regular fixture in matches. Mourinho has flexibility with this squad and in some games Ramires is a must and in others he shouldn't be near the team.

In the 433 we're seemingly tighter and more compact, which is where his athleticism and bite is useful. In the more expansive 4231 he simply doesn't have the passing ability we need to open teams up. That was his problem last season, where his deficiencies were highlighted against teams who sat deep.

He's the player for matches where the first thought is 'don't lose' so he'll feature in the big matches.