Chelsea 0-1 Nottm Forest

[Duppy Conqueror 1,557]

1 hour ago, Mário César said:

why are you so optimist? 

My own personal experiences in following CFC and life in general allow me to keep my emotions in check and understand what is happening,why and how it's likely to get better.

It's a work in progress,it'll take time,some would look at what Rembrandt is painting after he's just started and say it's shit,others choose to wait a while,others until it's completed.

 

 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,369]

I feel better now. We are Rembrandt painting. 

 

Edited September 3, 2023 by NikkiCFC

[Vegetable 830]

2 hours ago, Mário César said:

why are you so optimist? 

I'd say people are bit over pessimistic here or just carried away by emotions;

What are we expecting really? If we wanted to push for result, Tuchel should never be sacked. People were justifying Poch instead of Nags, because he knows how to work with players and develop them long-term. All our new players were at best decent-ish in much easier leagues or had a short, bright shot (Enzo, Jackson) but aren't anywhere near proven footballers. If we have like 22 "potential" players, if 3-4 of them will turn world class in the span of 2 years, it will realistically be a success. Some of those players have actually yet to learn even playing football at the PL level of performance and it won't happen after 10 training sessions. The only thing I could be blame Poch for rn is that our biggest issue is still there - it's not like those players look very "hungry" or fighting fot the badge, bar maybe Gallagher, but his killer cardio performances don't translate much to football itself yet, unfortunately, but I do allow the possibility that the club is still a shitshow behind the scenes and offloading Mount won't fix it.

I do not like that since TT sacking owners clearly decided not to pursue the step up we needed from 5th to 3rd, but to downgrade, dismantle and someday rebuild the club, but it's clear that it is their decision, so no surprises seeing results like this. The only way to turn it over soon is the players miraculously getting some crazy morale boost trip and pull of something like Leicester campaign or the infamous Ted Lasso stuff, but the thing is it's even more difficult, as we have zero experience and zero world star players. Richmond had Zava at least. 

[Seymop 90]

I don’t think we should be too despondent after 4 games.Yet again we have injuries to key players and the owners decided to go the route of buying young talent in the hope that they develope in to worldbeaters.  A very risky strategy  — I believe 4 world class signings down the spine of the team — goalkeeper,centre half,attacking midfielder and another forward — instead of 20 or so potentials would have made more sense.’. But we are where we are,so all we can do is give them a chance and hope that Poch really can perform miracles 🙏🙏

[BXL70 396]

I do not expect much from a team of adolescents. We also need experienced player.

Edited September 3, 2023 by BXL70

[SomethingSomething 17]

18 hours ago, Mário César said:

exactly

mudryk and madueke alone cost 100M and neither is ready

the management is betting everything on youngsters with potential and that has proven to be a mistake

it's good to buy a few players like that, but that's it. it's not about living off them.

they're ruining the club. 

They think they will create a powerful team within few years, but truth is we wont win trophies till then, anyone good will leave because of that any anyone good wont join because of that. You need balanced squad trying to be best while having couple talents to develop.

[SomethingSomething 17]

20 hours ago, Thor said:

Never pick up again? He is 2 games in... 21 years old.

Where do people come up with this?  

Since its Chelsea and we are clueless, nothing to do with Caicedo personaly.

[Special Juan 28,187]

Absolute dog shit that was on Saturday, what a lifeless and drab performance. Nothing like a home defeat before a two week break.

He's got to get away from this Chilwell LW shit it does not work. As for Jackson and that miss, fucking WOW- this could be the start of it again

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

2 hours ago, Special Juan said:

Absolute dog shit that was on Saturday, what a lifeless and drab performance. Nothing like a home defeat before a two week break.

He's got to get away from this Chilwell LW shit it does not work. As for Jackson and that miss, fucking WOW- this could be the start of it again

Added to that all the money spent, and what do we get, different names same shit.

Losing at home to relegation fodder, I thought that Poch was coming here to turn things around but so far he's just following on from Lampard and Potter.

And Caicedo.. that's what £115M gets you...fuck

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

14 hours ago, Seymop said:

I don’t think we should be too despondent after 4 games.Yet again we have injuries to key players and the owners decided to go the route of buying young talent in the hope that they develope in to worldbeaters.  A very risky strategy  — I believe 4 world class signings down the spine of the team — goalkeeper,centre half,attacking midfielder and another forward — instead of 20 or so potentials would have made more sense.’. But we are where we are,so all we can do is give them a chance and hope that Poch really can perform miracles 🙏🙏

And what four world class players did you have in mind?

[Fulham Broadway 17,350]

Will say it again , no fucking leaders of note. Will turn into a Graham Pochettino season if not remedied

[Seymop 90]

8 hours ago, bigbluewillie said:

And what four world class players did you have in mind?

Declan Rice for one, Henderson or Pickford would have been better than Sanchez, Ivan Toney ( January is only 3 months away) and Jude Bellingham to name 4. We wouldn’t have got them all ,if any, but might have been better than signing multiple bang average players

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

8 hours ago, Seymop said:

Declan Rice for one, Henderson or Pickford would have been better than Sanchez, Ivan Toney ( January is only 3 months away) and Jude Bellingham to name 4. We wouldn’t have got them all ,if any, but might have been better than signing multiple bang average players

You said originally four world class players down the spine.

Rice, Henderson, Pickford, Toney is laughable bruv, the only world class player you've picked is Bellingham and there never was a chance of signing him...and never will be.

Mind I do agree about Sanchez he's rubbish, I don't get why ship out Kepa for him, I know Kepa aint the bee's knee's but he's better than Sanchez

[Thor 2,745]

1 hour ago, bigbluewillie said:

You said originally four world class players down the spine.

Rice, Henderson, Pickford, Toney is laughable bruv, the only world class player you've picked is Bellingham and there never was a chance of signing him...and never will be.

Mind I do agree about Sanchez he's rubbish, I don't get why ship out Kepa for him, I know Kepa aint the bee's knee's but he's better than Sanchez

I keep telling people it is a time and continuity thing - as well as having the right tactical setup. 

I'm so sick of hearing "if we just had this one player he'd transform us"... Been said about Enzo, Caceido, Nkunku now that he is injured, etc. 

We are talented enough. Caceido is better than Rice. Jackson is as good if not better than Toney. We are fine in terms of talent. It isn't an experience thing either. We have UCL winners on the field all over. World Cup winners. Mudryk has even played in big games in UCL. We are fine. The guys need time to gel, but Poch also needs to play players in their right positions. 

This playing people out of position shit cost Pep titles and massive games. Coming into a team that was struggling to string together good games and trying to get clever was going to garner even worse results. Keep it simple. 

4 atb, get Silva out, play Mudryk on the left, Sterling on the right. Let them play and make mistakes. We don't need to be crutched by a shit setup and chase games. 

[Reddish-Blue 2,513]

3 hours ago, Thor said:

I keep telling people it is a time and continuity thing - as well as having the right tactical setup. 

I'm so sick of hearing "if we just had this one player he'd transform us"... Been said about Enzo, Caceido, Nkunku now that he is injured, etc. 

We are talented enough. Caceido is better than Rice. Jackson is as good if not better than Toney. We are fine in terms of talent. It isn't an experience thing either. We have UCL winners on the field all over. World Cup winners. Mudryk has even played in big games in UCL. We are fine. The guys need time to gel, but Poch also needs to play players in their right positions. 

This playing people out of position shit cost Pep titles and massive games. Coming into a team that was struggling to string together good games and trying to get clever was going to garner even worse results. Keep it simple. 

4 atb, get Silva out, play Mudryk on the left, Sterling on the right. Let them play and make mistakes. We don't need to be crutched by a shit setup and chase games. 

I don't think Poch will have that much time on his hands.  Considering our upcoming fixtures in October, November, December, he's gotta figure out the tactical setup as quick as possible....otherwise, it'll turn into Potter v2 and things will start to spiral in a bad way. 

I just hope we didn't add Poch as manager because he's another yes man who will 'accept' all these new signings....rather than going after someone like Enrique who wouldn't be happy with so many young players in the squad. 

[Vegetable 830]

1 hour ago, Reddish-Blue said:

I just hope we didn't add Poch as manager because he's another yes man who will 'accept' all these new signings....rather than going after someone like Enrique who wouldn't be happy with so many young players in the squad. 

I think he was sold the same concept as Potter - that he will be held accountable in 2 years or so, trust the process, work with talents etc. But they somehow miss the fact that fans are blood of the club and the scrutiny will come much sooner. Had there been no fans and some non-Britain-first media outrage that went out of PR control, Potter would still be here. I'm afraid he was sacked by Twitter, not the board, that doesn't put the decisive people in greatest light.

[Vesper 30,270]

16 hours ago, Seymop said:

Declan Rice for one, Henderson or Pickford would have been better than Sanchez, Ivan Toney ( January is only 3 months away) and Jude Bellingham to name 4. We wouldn’t have got them all ,if any, but might have been better than signing multiple bang average players

Disagree. 

On many levels.

Bellingham was NEVER coming here.

Pickford is shit. (other keepers out there better than Sanchez or him)

You added a player not available then (Toney) who we very well may sign in January.

And I rate Caicedo over Rice (this is the only part that is debatable, IMHO).

[Fernando 6,590]

After watching the game with a cool mind, I thought there was a lot of positive. 

Much better then last season, and I always thought this season we might not be the most consistent but if we see progress i would be happy. 

I would like to see this progress by November/December if possible. 

A lot of player still pre season mode, and chemistry will grow in the coming weeks. 

I would like for us to drop the 3 CB. I think we have a good personal to play just a back 4 with 2 CB. 

[SomethingSomething 17]

Chilly and James are best deployed as wingbacks and when they are fit and inform, they are our best or at least most important players and have been for a while. So it makes sense to try bring players for 3atb formation. But James is regulary injured so it makes wonder if we want to do that or pick a system that suits rest of the team. 

Anyway this rebuild always had to take time and we have to be patient, players will make mistakes, Poch will need to know the team etc but we need consistency there. 

However one thing that is pathetic 100% is that we still play like this with over 1BN spent. There is zero excuse on board for overspending, overpaying and bringing alot of shi*e in the club. Getting rid of Kepa and bringing Sanchez is just one example. Board has a goal, just a very bad one. 

One thing is transition period, so we obviously wont win title for next 2 years, but losing to relegation fodder at home while splashing 1bn is something else. At this rate we wont be in CL next year, two years in row which will likely bring a dark era, like Arse, Pool, United had/have. 

We should always try to return to top asap, bring some experience, some quality and some talent to develop. This board went all in on talent and we aint winning shit for a long time.

[robsblubot 3,595]

On 05/09/2023 at 05:47, Vesper said:

Disagree. 

On many levels.

Bellingham was NEVER coming here.

Pickford is shit. (other keepers out there better than Sanchez or him)

You added a player not available then (Toney) who we very well may sign in January.

And I rate Caicedo over Rice (this is the only part that is debatable, IMHO).

Potential? maybe... yet to be seen at this level.

Level of play right now? There should be no debate really.