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51 minutes ago, milka said:

Pochettino knew this already in the summer and insisted on signing players with experience,  leaders  he got a couple of Brazilians, Cole Palmer.
 However, no one supported him to get  1-2 experienced names around which these young people can learn. There is no way people like Jackson, Mudrik, Madueke to have a mentality from who to get that mentality.

Then he should stop handicapping the team by opting for 3atb shift...

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22 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

You got a point. Poch set up is clearly trying to leverage that experience we have left with building around Silva, Sterling and Chilwell but to no avail.

The 3 atb is mostly to accommodate Silva. Else we have little experience on the pitch 

Maybe when James returns, we may see a change in formation.

The lack of leaders in the squad is down to the club, not Poch.

There's no one to take control of the game and prevent things from breaking down completely.

The Caicedo-Gallagher mixup today typifies that.

And once a young side goes behind, their heads drop.

For now, I'm glad for the international break. Hopefully this gives the squad a chance to reset. 

 

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23 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

The 3 atb is mostly to accommodate Silva. Else we have little experience on the pitch 

Maybe when James returns, we may see a change in formation.

The lack of leaders in the squad is down to the club, not Poch.

There's no one to take control of the game and prevent things from breaking down completely.

The Caicedo-Gallagher mixup today typifies that.

And once a young side goes behind, their heads drop.

For now, I'm glad for the international break. Hopefully this gives the squad a chance to reset. 

 

Silva on the pitch is just as detrimental with having no experience in the team at this rate. 

Slow in progressing the ball, can't run, averages a brain fart every match David Luiz would be proud of. 

Change it up. 

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2 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Silva on the pitch is just as detrimental with having no experience in the team at this rate. 

Slow in progressing the ball, can't run, averages a brain fart every match David Luiz would be proud of. 

Change it up. 

100% I love Silva but he has been very very poor since the season started. He slows down the play soo much... and hasn't stood out defensively whatsoever thus far. Its time to pair Colwil and Disasi and play Chilwel at LB not LW.

 

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1 hour ago, DDA said:

100% I love Silva but he has been very very poor since the season started. He slows down the play soo much... and hasn't stood out defensively whatsoever thus far. Its time to pair Colwil and Disasi and play Chilwel at LB not LW.

 

yes, I am afraid father time has caught up with him finally, a few months before he turns 39, hope he gets a second wind as the season goes on

I would keep him next year as a backup so he can achieve his goal of playing at 40yo in a top 5 league like his idol, Maldini, and then, in summer 2025 (or even January 2025, if he wants), say goodbye

even that may not happen

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I agree, it is time to not have him starting any longer.

The decline has been under way for some time, and I doubt he will suddenly get a second win tbh. It is very impressive that he managed to play at such a level, for so long, so I have nothing but respect. 

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So Chelsea cant score clear chances, 11 big chances missed this season already, top of the table in that aspect but Chelsea fanbase mainly talking about Silva? Kinda weird

The main problems are Mudryk, Madueke and Jackson. None of them has offensive efficiency. 

Our best attacking player in the last 5 years in terms of efficiency was Marcus Alonso. 

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10 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

So Chelsea cant score clear chances, 11 big chances missed this season already, top of the table in that aspect but Chelsea fanbase mainly talking about Silva? Kinda weird

The main problems are Mudryk, Madueke and Jackson. None of them has offensive efficiency. 

Our best attacking player in the last 5 years in terms of efficiency was Marcus Alonso. 

Mudryk is becoming a major problem. I seriously huge problem.

Madueke is showing positive signs but his end product is non existent at this point. 

Jackson will come good... once he bags a few I really do believe the goals will flow.

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14 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

So Chelsea cant score clear chances, 11 big chances missed this season already, top of the table in that aspect but Chelsea fanbase mainly talking about Silva? Kinda weird

The main problems are Mudryk, Madueke and Jackson. None of them has offensive efficiency. 

Our best attacking player in the last 5 years in terms of efficiency was Marcus Alonso. 

Disagree about this usual focus on attack. It's disregarding a large number of variables including the contribution, or the lack thereof, from the rest of the team, including defense, in attack.

Even conversion rate of your striker can be drastically affected by many many variables: streaks (confidence), how flustered the opposition defense is, how much effort the striker has to put in (how far from the goal/getting service)?

Football is a team sport. Once you start individualizing merit and blame, then that's when big mistakes happen.

Mudryk, Madueke not employable atm, which I agree with. Jackson also has no backup whatsoever atm, unless you consider yet another kid as an option.

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Just now, robsblubot said:

Even conversion rate of your striker can be drastically affected by many many variables: streaks (confidence), how flustered the opposition defense is, how much effort the striker has to put in (how far from the goal/getting service)?

The xG algorithm takes all of this into account and we are up there with City in this aspect. 

The team contribution to our goals in 2017, when we last won the PL title, wasnt even that big, it was basically Hazard and Costa who carried the whole attack. But it worked. 

Nothing can explain or excuse this:

The rest of the team contributed more than enough this season for our attackers to score

Ofc people should talk about the whole team but the fact that our fanbase is talking more about Silva atm than about Madueke, Mudryk and Jackson is kinda weird. Its like blaming McDonalds for getting fat.

 

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25 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

So Chelsea cant score clear chances, 11 big chances missed this season already, top of the table in that aspect but Chelsea fanbase mainly talking about Silva? Kinda weird

The main problems are Mudryk, Madueke and Jackson. None of them has offensive efficiency. 

Our best attacking player in the last 5 years in terms of efficiency was Marcus Alonso. 

I'm not a tactician to the level of Jose, Poch or Pep, but I was probably one of the first on here mentioning Silva is a bit of a crutch on our team. He really slows the pace of the game down for us - and doesn't let our team do what they were designed to do. 

I'll keep saying it, but it reminds me of Ibra at Man United. Great individually in a bubble still, but it negates what we are trying to do. The worst thing about it is, I noticed Colwill slowing the game down a bit in the last match too. Hopefully once Silva is benched they get a sense of urgency back. Push the ball. We're a young and dynamic team. 

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4 minutes ago, Thor said:

The worst thing about it is, I noticed Colwill slowing the game down a bit in the last match too.

Well, then we should use the holistic way of robsblubot and look at the midfield and attacking players and their positioning too. Maybe our defenders have to slow down bc they are badly positioned.

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2 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

The xG algorithm takes all of this into account and we are up there with City in this aspect. 

The team contribution to our goals in 2017, when we last won the PL title, wasnt even that big, it was basically Hazard and Costa who carried the whole attack. But it worked. 

Nothing can explain or excuse this:

The rest of the team contributed more than enough this season for our attackers to score

Ofc people should talk about the whole team but the fact that our fanbase is talking more about Silva atm than about Madueke, Mudryk and Jackson is kinda weird. Its like blaming McDonalds for getting fat.

 

Misses like that happen. We're chasing the game because we've got pressure to do so because we've been setup incorrectly for the first 60 minutes of the match, and the players are chasing the match after that. 

These players didn't become bad overnight. It is a tactics and flow situation. Let your players build into games. The reality is, Jackson and Sterling were very much isolated the first 60 minutes. We looked better when Jackson was dropping into midfield for passes, turning and creating by running at players, because Conor was on there doing jack shit - again - not because he is bad - but because he doesn't fit where he is being played. I'm not going to ask John Terry to go sit in the middle of the pitch and try and whip passes around like Enzo - because it wouldn't work. Having tried that for 60 minutes, finally taking him off, putting on Lampard - and expecting the lads to win the match in 30 mins isn't as likely to happen either. 

Offensive players need rhythm. Chilly ain't doing more than Mudryk or Maduake out there from an attacking perspective, so don't play him there. 

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1 minute ago, Gundalf said:

Well, then we should use the holistic way of robsblubot and look at the midfield and attacking players and their positioning too. Maybe our defenders have to slow down bc they are badly positioned.

Agreed. They are. One is playing LW, and our most dynamic CB is playing at LB. 

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As sick as it made me feel to watch this... the music and everything... just 🤮

But tell me there aren't huge similarities with the way he started there and the average age of the group ect....

 

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