Welcome Mauricio Pochettino

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32 minutes ago, lucio said:

What kind of loser turns down felix and plays gallagher as captain. Shite coach who peaked at spurs 

Refusing Felix and Vlahovic, should be sacked on the spot.

[Blue Armour 4,439]

15 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I said already it when the recruitment was on and Nagelsman dropped off - we laugh off Poch for years as a serial loser in Tottenham and PSG and suddenly started to think he is an elite coach who will transform us. I wanted to be delusional, but I'm starting to lean towards what was obvious from the very beginning.

Roman was passionate, demanding and ruthless leader. Clearlake is just indifferent and impose mediocrity on every level. And Poch seems to fit the general indifference. It's like everybody just shows up but then don't give a toss and just see what will come up.

It's like Arsenal under Kroenke.

They know Chelsea already have a global fanbase. They know people will still turn up for games.

The hard part was already done by Roman.

The pressure to win and keep the clubs name up in lights is no longer there.

Their primary objective this window was to bring down the wage bill. Nothing more.

And if the reports are true, they STILL want to bring it down by another 100m.

And these people won't give a crap about performances, not unless we slip into a full on relegation battle.

[Fulham Broadway 17,311]

3 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

It's like Arsenal under Kroenke.

They know Chelsea already have a global fanbase. They know people will still turn up for games.

The hard part was already done by Roman.

The pressure to win and keep the clubs name up in lights is no longer there.

Their primary objective this window was to bring down the wage bill. Nothing more.

And if the reports are true, they STILL want to bring it down by another 100m.

And these people won't give a crap about performances, not unless we slip into a full on relegation battle.

So true. They bought a successful brand and arent bothered where the cash comes from. I've never had so many e mails and texts from the club, buy this, buy that enter this competition. What a bag 'o shite.

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13 minutes ago, whats happening said:

in a far better team and in a farm worse league.

No I mean when he joined Chelsea in January he went on to score more than anyone else (if I’m not mistaken) not bad for someone with apparently no end product 

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27 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

It's like Arsenal under Kroenke.

They know Chelsea already have a global fanbase. They know people will still turn up for games.

The hard part was already done by Roman.

The pressure to win and keep the clubs name up in lights is no longer there.

Their primary objective this window was to bring down the wage bill. Nothing more.

And if the reports are true, they STILL want to bring it down by another 100m.

And these people won't give a crap about performances, not unless we slip into a full on relegation battle.

I'd prefer You weren't right, but I'm afraid You might be.

The only thing, that gives me hope is that when club was sold, Abramovitch supposedly had a lot of say as to whom it will be sold to secure it's development and avoid exactly that and you don't exactly go and fool someone like Abramovitch with your bs. But if it was just a rumor, then lord help us.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

3 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Having been sacked from his last two jobs, had been out of work for a year and notoriously hasn't got a history of winning trophies, I was surprised that so many people(especially those in the media) thought Pochettino was a great appointment and that he would do great things at Chelsea. 

His record with developing young players and the overhauling he did at Spurs was the major pull I think. And it made sense. In theory. Its just all blown up a bit in everyones face at the moment but when your squad contains over £1bn of players signed in the last 12 months or so, it is to be expected that any manager regardless will have huge huge scrutiny if they don’t get results. But the poor recruitment and squad building strategy has hamstrung him also. And he will be the first person to get called out for bad results.

2 hours ago, lucio said:

What kind of loser turns down felix and plays gallagher as captain. Shite coach who peaked at spurs 

Oh please… Felix couldn’t buy a goal or a decent performance most games last season. His performances were more frustrating than inspiring yet because hes scored goals against Betis and Antwerp in two hugely one sides games, where the quality difference between both of the sides is staggering, people are making out we made a “huge mistake”. If he hits 15-20 goals this season for Barca ok fair maybe. But lets see. Same with Vlahovic. If they get 15-20 goals. Ok maybe. But until then, still early to say so. 

Gallagher as captain I agree on but with the club and Poch seemingly intent on giving the armband to guys who aren’t perhaps as well suited to the role as Thiago is right now to build them up, in a squad that lacks genuine leaders, experience & knowhow, what do folk expect?

Reece may be the main guy from the academy and the biggest talent from there in a while but for me, he shouldn’t be captain when Thiago Silva is in the squad. Chilwell getting more responsibility as someone coming into his prime years though & pretty well experienced now (similarly like Maddison at Spuds with Ange), that I agree with - he should be taking that sort of responsibility and hopefully kicking on.

Or are you going to say Enzo Fernandez (who by the managers account, like Jackson, needs to watch he is disciplined enough to stop picking up cheap yellow cards) should of wore the armband? A guy who has been here all of 5 minutes, barely speaks English (although not overly sure on Silva’s English speaking abilities either) and needs to get his finger out his arse snd start performing again?

Edited September 24, 2023 by OneMoSalah

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9 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

His record with developing young players and the overhauling he did at Spurs was the major pull I think. And it made sense. In theory. Its just all blown up a bit in everyones face at the moment but when your squad contains over £1bn of players signed in the last 12 months or so, it is to be expected that any manager regardless will have huge huge scrutiny if they don’t get results. But the poor recruitment and squad building strategy has hamstrung him also. And he will be the first person to get called out for bad results.

Yup thats the managers territory -first to take the hit. As @manpe said though, Fish FC rots from the head down. 

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Poch thinks the squad is shit. He plays all defense because he believes that, and I think he's right. Like I said many times, it's a U23 Olympic team facing senior players. Just look at who have won and done well (reach semis) in the olympic football vs World Cup. Isn't Aston Villa a better team *right now*? Don't they have better, more experienced players in several key positions? Goalie for ex?

One step is needed to make us a relegation candidate, and that is sacking the manager. Like I wrote elsewhere, I don't agree with all Poch's choices, but I understand why he makes them.

Enzo looks like a club issue: he needs to be dissuaded about moving to a more attacking role. He looks absolutely awful playing there.

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15 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

One step is needed to make us a relegation candidate, and that is sacking the manager. Like I wrote elsewhere, I don't agree with all Poch's choices, but I understand why he makes them.

 

Fun thing is the door is closing very quickly. Not even a year ago, despite lack of results and general mess, we were a team where every manager would like to come. Now Potter, Lamps and Poch are more and more exposing the fact, that, contrary to what owners claim, this project is not "exciting" and "full of potential" at all in it's current form, so we'd have to aim for lower tier managers that provide lower tier product until we'll finally become Brighton as per owner's dream and will be ready to start and EXCITING CAMPAIGN for 10th place and Carobao shield as our biggest success of the decade. 

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10 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Fun thing is the door is closing very quickly. Not even a year ago, despite lack of results and general mess, we were a team where every manager would like to come. Now Potter, Lamps and Poch are more and more exposing the fact, that, contrary to what owners claim, this project is not "exciting" and "full of potential" at all in it's current form, so we'd have to aim for lower tier managers that provide lower tier product until we'll finally become Brighton as per owner's dream and will be ready to start and EXCITING CAMPAIGN for 10th place and Carobao shield as our biggest success of the decade. 

yup, it can only be exciting if the squad can be competitive enough to get results, which is clearly not the case.

I do think that with time, a few tweaks, and some players back, the team can improve, but I'm afraid this squad can't compete for any silverware (including cups here).

"we'll finally become Brighton" 😆 that does seem like the goal doesn't it? 

Edited September 24, 2023 by robsblubot

[Nero 1,871]

I'm watching Atletico vs Real Madrid right now. Both coaches yell and scream at their players in front of the fans in their face in the middle of a game.  

I don't see anything like that from Poch. He always looks relaxed. 

Potter 2.0 ?

Edited September 24, 2023 by Nero

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3 minutes ago, Nero said:

I'm watching Atletico vs Real Madrid right now. Both coaches yell and scream at their players in front of the fans in their face in the middle of a game.  

I don't see anything like that from Poch. He always looks relaxed. 

Simeone at Chels would make the kiddies cry and wet the bed daily, lolol

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cant yell at zoomers, they gonna get offended and will post cryptic shit on instagram.

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2 minutes ago, Nero said:

I'm watching Atletico vs Real Madrid right now. Both coaches yell and scream at their players in front of the fans in their face in the middle of a game.  

I don't see anything like that from Poch. He always looks relaxed. 

Potter 2.0 ?

I also prefer a more energetic manager on the sidelines, but it's just style.

Anchelotti is also super chill. 

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2 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

Their primary objective this window was to bring down the wage bill. Nothing more.

And if the reports are true, they STILL want to bring it down by another 100m.

it's almost like they are hedge fund/venture capitalist/private equity yank billionaires who take chainsaws to the work forces of the firms they buy in order to implement austerity regimes from a labour cost standpoint

oh........ wait..................

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"We thought Chelsea [was] frankly an asset, a business that was not terribly well managed on the football side, sporting side or promotional side, so meaningful opportunity at the club and we’ll get to it for us, who needed the beachhead to then look at multi clubs. [We] looked at it and we think European sports is probably 20 years behind US sports in terms of sophistication on the commercial side, and sophistication on the data side. [...] These are global assets, global audiences which we think we can certainly help grow.”

Fucking arrogance.

[Thor 2,701]

I think we aren't as far off as people are making. 

Most of us here are emotional wrecks because we love the club so much. But it really isn't as dire (outside of the results). 

We are at the tipping point IMO, where things start falling where they should. It isn't a case of changing 50% of it all. It is about tweaking and fine tuning. We won't be winning it all, but this side is a few tweaks and some consistency away from challenging for top 4-6. 

TBH - People complaining about not getting Felix and Dusan are the same ones that didn't want them before the season started. It isn't a squad/player problem. We can score goals - just like any other team can. Brighton don't have a "proven" goalscorer, and neither do plenty of other teams, so the excuse is just bollocks. 

We lack consistency and confidence. Poch needs to set up an attacking side and let the cards play out how they may.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Thor

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Haven't been on here for a few weeks but I do think Poch should be afforded some time. I don't think we're playing particularly poor at the moment, and we really should be a few more points better off if we could actually score a goal or two. I can understand the grievances at some of his decisions in personnel but at the very least at present we're very strong defensively. Only City and Liverpool have conceded less goals than us so far, and that side of our game will keep us in matches or help us grind out results over time. It's easy to think letting the handbrake off will suddenly turn us into this free flowing, goal crazy team when that simply won't happen because the whole squad lacks established goal scorers outside of Nkunku. Opening the team up will however leave us significantly more susceptible defensively.

When I watch us, it reminds me at present of an international team. A group of talented individuals who are chucked together and expected to perform in sync with one another immediately. There's flashes and periods of promise, but ultimately a frustrating degree of inconsistency. The problem is we're not playing the equivalent of other international teams, and instead much more experienced and drilled teams.

From our starting XI against Villa, only Thiago Silva was playing for the club more earlier than last summer. 2 from 15 with Chilwell if you include the subs that came on. That's quite a ridiculous player turnover that won't be afforded the time and patience it requires because of the money spent on doing so. Having that many new players and a new manager put together isn't going to click this quickly. We could very easily have another season of frustration and mid table mediocrity, but at some point the owners, directors, etc are going to have to clench their teeth and put some faith into the decisions they have made. There's clearly been a long term plan in mind with the investment in players made, so there should also be no surprise that long term plan isn't ripping up trees 5 games and 2 months in. They've already made a huge backtrack so early on by dismissing Potter, if they were going to cut Poch short, then it's going to make things incredibly difficult moving forward with regards to the ability to attract the right people to the club.

It's easy to forget how much of a banter club Arsenal were for the first 12-18 months under Arteta, and in fairness to the higher ups there, they held on to their beliefs and are in a much better position now as a result.

The biggest issue right now for Poch is the lack of experience within that group of players. It's clear when things aren't going well as they are currently, that the players need that touch of experience to calm situations or make decisions in a clinical nature. If we don't get a goal in the first half hour, it just feels that we're simply not scoring today and as a result naturally the opposition grow in confidence and stature themselves. He's looking to the bench to draw inspiration and again, it's littered with young players being burdened with huge responsibility and pressure to come on and change games. 

I do believe there will be a time or moment when it just clicks because there is a lot of potential and raw talent in the group of players we have. Present Liverpool or City with those chances we had today and they'd be 2 or 3 goals up on Villa and manage the game to victory. We'll have the odd games where it will happen and everything will go in, but unfortunately at present we'll have inconsistencies too.

 

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7 hours ago, Superblue said:

It's easy to forget how much of a banter club Arsenal were for the first 12-18 months under Arteta, and in fairness to the higher ups there, they held on to their beliefs and are in a much better position now as a result.

It's also easy to forget that Arsenal didn't spend 200+ million on their midfield whilst they were in that rebuilding phase. 

If we didn't have Caicedo, Enzo and these high priced signings, I wouldn't mind 12-18 months of rebuilding and I'm sure the manager in charge would be given time for that rebuild to happen but the problem is, when you go to the market and invest heavily, every fan and pundit out there expects immediate results. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

It's also easy to forget that Arsenal didn't spend 200+ million on their midfield whilst they were in that rebuilding phase. 

If we didn't have Caicedo, Enzo and these high priced signings, I wouldn't mind 12-18 months of rebuilding and I'm sure the manager in charge would be given time for that rebuild to happen but the problem is, when you go to the market and invest heavily, every fan and pundit out there expects immediate results. 

 

Aye I always find Arsenal as an extremely poor example for this. Or for why we should give managers such as Lampard or Potter time. They are always the go to example. 

They are a shite example for what we are going through just now because firstly, they weren’t a team that been in 6 major cup finals in nearly 3 seasons (or a team that had won 20 or 21 trophies in the last 20 years) before they went the way they did and secondly, they didn’t spend £1 billion on players in 3 transfer windows. Nobody has spent that much £ so quickly and turned out as awful. Ever. Bar us - so we are first for that.