The Next Manager?

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

I really don't want Lamps as manager it's far too risky.  I'm not here to praise or bury Frank but scraping into the play offs 15 points behind the team in second place isn't very impressive and would not get him mentioned for any other top jobs but does for Chelsea simply because he's an ex player and legend. The Villa manager took them from struggling mid table to promotion and did a good job at Luton that's far more impressive.

If Sarri goes and that's looking likely then why do some fans want to give the job to Frank under the worse possible circumstances he'll be thrown in the deep end with an ageing squad and a potential transfer ban. It's going to be a difficult season next year and having one of our own as manager could possibly make things worse he won't get booed but it could quite easily tarnish his legacy. If results don't go well the media will be on his back from day one and you just don't know how Frank will handle it and if he lets Jody Morris take post match interviews now that's a recipe for disaster.

 

[lucio 5,418]

18 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Disagree, Allegri could do it I really think. Really good managers could probably achieve top 4 with this squad although its clear we need some big reinforcements because the top 2 will get further away and I imagine Arsenal and Spurs will also spend on players to improve. We need to be more competitive and strengthen areas of the squad but if we had a transfer window even with Hazard going, we could become a better balanced team. Although we are banned from signing anyone but still think a very good manager could achieve top 4, would just have to be better in bigger games.

I mean cmon we won a league with Moses and Alonso as wingbacks, David Luiz and Gary Cahill as CBs. If a very good coach can do that, must be enough optimism to say we can get top 4 with this squad surely? Although we are a top CF and an Eden calibre of player short. 

oh yeah, it wouldn't be impossible, but it would be unfair to sack a manager for finishing 5th with no transfers, striker and losing hazard.  We will have very limited goal threat so we will need a really good defence, but i'd be happier to give the new manager a free shot at the season to develop the younger players for the future and then reassess once he's had transfers

[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, Iggy Doonican said:

I really don't want Lamps as manager it's far too risky.  I'm not here to praise or bury Frank but scraping into the play offs 15 points behind the team in second place isn't very impressive and would not get him mentioned for any other top jobs but does for Chelsea simply because he's an ex player and legend. The Villa manager took them from struggling mid table to promotion and did a good job at Luton that's far more impressive.

If Sarri goes and that's looking likely then why do some fans want to give the job to Frank under the worse possible circumstances he'll be thrown in the deep end with an ageing squad and a potential transfer ban. It's going to be a difficult season next year and having one of our own as manager could possibly make things worse he won't get booed but it could quite easily tarnish his legacy. If results don't go well the media will be on his back from day one and you just don't know how Frank will handle it and if he lets Jody Morris take post match interviews now that's a recipe for disaster.

 

If there was an outstanding candidate available on the market, or if Sarri wanted to stay then I would agree with you.

However as I don't believe there is one and Sarri looks intent on leaving then I do see Lampard as the best option. The reason for me is based around the transfer ban - The club needs a rebuild and overhaul of the squad over the next couple of seasons and my worry this coming season is the club panic and try desperately to hold on to everything they have and hope the experience in the squad can get us through. The problem with this is the following summer we'll be looking to get rid of a number of squad players who we already know aren't good enough and then need to spend millions to replace them.

I believe there is far more chance that Lampard will be happy for some of these players to leave this summer and he'll instead integrate some younger players into the squad because I firmly believe that his priority will be the long term success of this club, even if he wasn't here to see it through as opposed to a manager with no affinity here who may well not be prepared to use younger players because they know they may only be here for a season or two. Therefore being more prepared to make the difficult decisions. I do think Jody Morris coming back with him also increases those chances because he has the most experience managing and coaching a number of these players and will be in a much better position than anyone to recommend which could be good enough to make the grade.

If a manager is out there that is prepared to do this and is far more experienced than Lampard then I would be happy to go with that and hold fire with Lamps, but I would not be impressed with a manager coming in and not being prepared to give Reece James a squad role instead of Zappacosta, or Mount and Ampadu roles ahead of someone like Bakayoko coming back. These players aren't good enough, we can already see that so let's give some talented youngsters a chance to see if they belong. I'm not expecting 4 or 5 youngsters to just be thrown into the first XI but its happened for years that the quick managerial turnarounds has left some players who aren't good enough with multiple chances under new managers and thus stayed at the club far longer than they should have. 

It might seem harsh because throwing Lampard in at the deep end may not work out and could end up with him only lasting a season or two here, but ultimately no person is bigger than this club and I would far rather see the club rebuilt properly for future successes, that has to be the priority for the club.

[Special Juan 28,097]

NES from Wolves would be a great choice IMO, what he has done there and the style he has implemented is excellent.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

If there was an outstanding candidate available on the market, or if Sarri wanted to stay then I would agree with you.

However as I don't believe there is one and Sarri looks intent on leaving then I do see Lampard as the best option. The reason for me is based around the transfer ban - The club needs a rebuild and overhaul of the squad over the next couple of seasons and my worry this coming season is the club panic and try desperately to hold on to everything they have and hope the experience in the squad can get us through. The problem with this is the following summer we'll be looking to get rid of a number of squad players who we already know aren't good enough and then need to spend millions to replace them.

I believe there is far more chance that Lampard will be happy for some of these players to leave this summer and he'll instead integrate some younger players into the squad because I firmly believe that his priority will be the long term success of this club, even if he wasn't here to see it through as opposed to a manager with no affinity here who may well not be prepared to use younger players because they know they may only be here for a season or two. Therefore being more prepared to make the difficult decisions. I do think Jody Morris coming back with him also increases those chances because he has the most experience managing and coaching a number of these players and will be in a much better position than anyone to recommend which could be good enough to make the grade.

If a manager is out there that is prepared to do this and is far more experienced than Lampard then I would be happy to go with that and hold fire with Lamps, but I would not be impressed with a manager coming in and not being prepared to give Reece James a squad role instead of Zappacosta, or Mount and Ampadu roles ahead of someone like Bakayoko coming back. These players aren't good enough, we can already see that so let's give some talented youngsters a chance to see if they belong. I'm not expecting 4 or 5 youngsters to just be thrown into the first XI but its happened for years that the quick managerial turnarounds has left some players who aren't good enough with multiple chances under new managers and thus stayed at the club far longer than they should have. 

It might seem harsh because throwing Lampard in at the deep end may not work out and could end up with him only lasting a season or two here, but ultimately no person is bigger than this club and I would far rather see the club rebuilt properly for future successes, that has to be the priority for the club.

I'm sorry but if you think there's no outstanding candidate and yet Allegri's CV is far more impressive than Lamps then your taking the piss. A transfer ban with an experienced manager against a one season in the championship manager I know who I'd chose. I don't watch foreign football and apparently Allegri plays industrial football so what I'm afraid that's Chelsea raison d' etre like it or not.

You say he might only last a season or two so you've given a long post and yet seemingly you don't have much confidence in Lamps either. As for playing young players almost for the sake of it is extremely dodgy. If the transfer ban sticks play the old heads for a season we're easily good enough for top four in my opinion Spurs, Arsenal, Man United aren't great.

How can you rebuild a club with a transfer ban you can't so how you think giving Lamps the job is a step forward is beyond me.

[Laylabelle 9,534]

I don't want lampard yet. Give him a few more years and this club time to get it self back together. Be a shit situation for anyone to walk into never mind someone without years and years of experience. 

Don't want him going out on a low or something. 

[Vesper 30,091]

2 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

I don't want lampard yet. Give him a few more years and this club time to get it self back together. Be a shit situation for anyone to walk into never mind someone without years and years of experience. 

Don't want him going out on a low or something. 

so much this!

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

I feel that the board have somehow accepted the transfer ban and have some sort of one year, maybe even two year plan of going through a transition where they plan to spend little to no money at all, give a Chelsea legend the manager role so that the fans are happy and support him through thick and thin and maybe they even plan to promote some youngsters. 

Don't think we as fans will get spoiled again with top transfers as long as Roman and the UK Government don't come to peace. In this case I'd rather we promote the Chelsea youngsters than spend 60-70M on useless ones that frankly you can easily find in the Academy. 

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

2 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said:

I feel that the board have somehow accepted the transfer ban and have some sort of one year, maybe even two year plan of going through a transition where they plan to spend little to no money at all, give a Chelsea legend the manager role so that the fans are happy and support him through thick and thin and maybe they even plan to promote some youngsters. 

Don't think we as fans will get spoiled again with top transfers as long as Roman and the UK Government don't come to peace. In this case I'd rather we promote the Chelsea youngsters than spend 60-70M on useless ones that frankly you can easily find in the Academy. 

Agree with your post except the bold part. Think Roman will spend happily if and when we have the ban lifted. But the rest I think is spot on. That's why I'm all in favour of it. Get the crowd on side, Frank given time as he is briefed with promoting youth into the team etc.

[Superblue 6,372]

20 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

I'm sorry but if you think there's no outstanding candidate and yet Allegri's CV is far more impressive than Lamps then your taking the piss. A transfer ban with an experienced manager against a one season in the championship manager I know who I'd chose. I don't watch foreign football and apparently Allegri plays industrial football so what I'm afraid that's Chelsea raison d' etre like it or not.

You say he might only last a season or two so you've given a long post and yet seemingly you don't have much confidence in Lamps either. As for playing young players almost for the sake of it is extremely dodgy. If the transfer ban sticks play the old heads for a season we're easily good enough for top four in my opinion Spurs, Arsenal, Man United aren't great.

How can you rebuild a club with a transfer ban you can't so how you think giving Lamps the job is a step forward is beyond me.

I haven't said that Allegri's CV isn't impressive but I wouldn't view him currently as an outstanding candidate. One of his biggest positives reading articles is his man management in much the same way as Ancelotti, but he doesn't speak a word of English. His tactics as you said are much more of the 'industrial' nature but is this club just going to keep flip-flopping between styles and tactics season after season or are we actually going to devise a much longer term plan and strategy which may mean taking a step or two back to move forward.

I don't believe we should play the young players for the sake of it, they have to be good enough. The problem has always been that there is regularly a new manager in. This gives a 'new slate' for players who haven't proved to be good enough for the club already and also these managers are always under pressure to be successful to keep their jobs and the easy, less risky option is to place trust in experienced players over younger players.

I read a while back that Conte was really impressed with RLC in training but couldn't risk playing him for the first team. Many people on this forum have been critical how long it's taken Sarri to bring CHO and RLC into the team on a regular basis this last season. If Conte had been able to trust RLC and started playing him in some games that first season he may have been more confident in his abilities and RLC himself may not have needed to go out on loan to Palace for football and to develop. The likely impact of this would have been the club not needing to waste £35m on Drinkwater and in turn that money could have been used to get better players in that transfer window (instead of Zappacosta and Bakayoko, etc).

It's a what if scenario but it's an example how failure of the club to get through academy players or young signings for small money has meant not just the first team but the entire squad has had to be brought through the transfer market and this is catching up with us now because of the market inflation and many more teams can compete with us in terms of financial resources. We spent a fortune on players in the summer of 2017 and then another £50-60m in January 2018 on multiple players and the only player to come out of that as a definite success is Rudiger. None of the rest of these players have managed to establish themselves even as first choice.

I would much rather see a transfer budget used on 2 or 3 players of the highest quality we can buy then it spread out over 6 or 7 players like two summers ago because fairly average players now are moving for £30m+. The amount of players we have on loan and through the academy means a rebuild can be started next season and this squad can be refreshed but it needs somebody willing to come in and do that. For me that equates to Lampard (and Jody Morris is a huge part of that too) being the person I'd be most confident would facilitate that.

[Henrique 9,133]

On 06/06/2019 at 2:24 PM, Special Juan said:

 

I'm still convinced the whole Lampard thing is 100% bullshit. 

[Iomie142 2]

Chelsea should look to replace Maurizio Sarri with former Juventus boss Massimiliano Allegri, pundit Shaka Hislop claims.

Article read here

Question is... Should we? 

[Strike 7,474]

Steve Holland should get the nod for me. Knows the academy, knows the club. Solid season or two under Steve with CHO, Reece, RLC, Tammy maybe even others like Mount promoted, and deliver Champions League football. 

Then the club can bring in Frank or any top manager who may become available  

[milka 3,390]

 

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

2 hours ago, milka said:

 

The Times there, right on the button as always.  It will be Lampard, though