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10 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Nothing pisses me off in this topic as this outlandish rhetoric. Season is lost because…? Surely Potter's incompetence have nothing to do with this right? So let's down the tools and drop to Championsip because season is lost and it doesn't matter what we do, but at the same time don't stop bashing the players for lack of mentality and lack of care.

Or we "lost the season" because James got injured?

Some of our fans really seem to be mistaking us for Brighton. We are not special needs Sunday league team to be happy with "improvement" in form of 10 minutes of dominating the relegation candidate. 

But sure, let's give Potter even more time, so with billion of pounds in transfers and 5 years he can "improve" us to the level we were a day before his appointment. 

lol I did not say 5 years. I say wait till the summer to see if there's progress. We are February for crying out loud, season is lost we are not going anywhere. 

Not much to do but just finish the season and see if Potter and team do improve between now in the summer to give us a glimpse of hope for next season. 

I do like Enzo and we can build a team around him. 

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13 minutes ago, Fernando said:

, season is lost we are not going anywhere. 

Again, where it comes from? Surely if we weren't drawing and losing to all the teams from bottom of the table we'd still be in Europa and perhaps CL, right?

I seriously don't get what clicked in some people's heads that from CL winners, super cup winners and year-to-year top 4 team we suddenly became some inept relegation side in crisis just because Boehly stepped in and we should be happy when players kick the ball straight.

I don't see the need to wait for anything by Potter. He had more time than anyone else before him, he had like 13 games already to show the "improvement" and he is statistically our worst manager in 27 years. Why wait next 4 months then? Maybe better wait until we're dead so maybe he can win a cup game 1:0 against National League side?

20 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Not much to do but just finish the season

Freaking much to do - let's get someone competent for the job and start doing the work - something most of people here are expecting from players. It's not like we got point's deduction or something, so I really don't get the "season lost" by Potter fans, as if it's "lost", it's due to Potter himself.

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12 minutes ago, lucio said:

We are so fucked. Only at Chelsea would the worst ever manager be afforded the most time 

With all due respect, British journos - I don't even bother to read what they have to say about their posterboy anymore. BUT from the logical standpoint, the board acts reasonable. They may despise him, but are aware that he probably has doubtful position in the dressing room, so leaking any doubts about him form the board would throw him under the bus completely and he'd have to be sacked the very same day. And I fear to think how TB would replace him, given no actual manager bar Tuchel, Poch and Enrique are available and pulling someone out of their club takes time.

On the other hand, the Raphinia (wonder if his fans from transfer topic even remember this fella) and Enzo shithousery had shown, that board has zero control of media leaks, so dunno…

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The problem is I don't like the options out there. I don't want Poch or Enrique and Tuchel is never coming back. I think the owners would love a Mou 3.0 as it would provide the perfect shithousery and bending of the rules that Todd loves so much.

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26 minutes ago, Hashishi said:

The problem is I don't like the options out there. I don't want Poch or Enrique and Tuchel is never coming back. I think the owners would love a Mou 3.0 as it would provide the perfect shithousery and bending of the rules that Todd loves so much.

Imagine Mou going with "that's life" when asked if we were shafted with a pen 😅

Anyway, as much as I'd love to think his motivational skill could do wonders with our current squad, the reasonability tells me his train is gone as well as TT's. 

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Chelsea board firmly behind Potter

https://theathletic.com/4187294/2023/02/13/united-sale-qatar-var-potter/

Chelsea’s draw at West Ham United on Saturday means Graham Potter’s side have won just two of their last 13 Premier League matches, leaving them ninth in the table and 10 points off the top four.

The run of results, especially with so much money spent in the summer and January transfer windows, has led to some unrest among supporters. The Champions League is the last chance the club have for silverware this season.

But though some fans are questioning whether Potter is the right man to lead the club in the post-Roman Abramovich era, the club’s owners have no such concerns, reports David Ornstein, whose column returns next week.

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Potter has struggled but is under no pressure (Photo: Julian Finney/Getty Images)

The feeling within the Chelsea hierarchy is that the former Brighton coach should be judged in years not months and they are confident they have one of the best managers in the game. They have a lot of changes still to make at the club and decided early on not to judge him on whether they qualify for the Champions League this season.

The leadership team feel Potter coming in mid-season with a squad that needed such a big overhaul meant success was always very unlikely in the short term and that there is still a lot of change to come to what is now a youthful team. It’s felt he has been very unlucky with injuries too.

The success of Mikel Arteta at Arsenal with a young squad after a mixed start is also seen as reassuring and the board feel that it will take some time for all the new faces to gel and understand Potter’s tactics and methods.

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I figured they using the Arteta example, which is the one I always used. 

Makes sense, hence why I been saying that this season is a free pass for him. 

So I don't bother much with results in this season as many here. 

Just as long we are not in relegation, but I do hope that by the end of the season there's some positives to take. 

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9 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I figured they using the Arteta example, which is the one I always used. 

Makes sense, hence why I been saying that this season is a free pass for him. 

So I don't bother much with results in this season as many here. 

Just as long we are not in relegation, but I do hope that by the end of the season there's some positives to take. 

I don't get the sentiment that this season is a free pass. There's still real possibility of getting top 4. Consider this, we're 10 point behind Newcastle right now. If we'd have won our last 2 games, and we played against opposition that should be beatable, then we'd be 6 points away with them coming to the Bridge. The gap isn't that large if you think about it. We had two golden opportunities to close that gap and we blew it. It seems like we're allergic to even think about getting top 4. I don't get it at all. We gave up in the middle of the season even though the gap isn't unsurmountable and we splashed 300m+ yet there's no urgency, no pressure, no nothing. Aren't the shirt sponsorship up at the end of the season ? I've read before that playing Champions League and not playing Champions League has significant bearing when it comes to size of the shirt sponsorship deal we can get. The whole situation doesn't make sense to me unless money really is no issue for the new owners.

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Would not be so fast to judge. 

"Fast" is really unfortunate word here. Anyway, I don't really buy into this logic. The good leader and manager shows quality when in pickle and shows how he can handle injuries and regions where team lacks quality and does with what he has. Sarri never made any excuses and didn't even actually care who is available and who is coming - he did his best with what he had got. 

With fully fit first team and yet another round of transfers beyond current 600 million, either You or me could go there and get results. Still, GP doesn't somehow.

The sheer amount of excuses that need to be made to defend him show how unfit for the job he is. 

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Two of Chelsea's January arrivals - Mykhaylo Mudryk and Noni Madueke - were influential going forward, but struggled to track back and Rice cited that as an area where West Ham were able to enjoy some success.

He said: "With the team they put out they started really sharply, really quickly. They had some really, really good players on show. It took us a little while to get going and adapt to their system.

"But once we found out their weakness, getting the ball down the sides of them and realised their wingers weren’t really tracking back. We managed to get the goal from that and exploit that. The last 20 minutes was there for us and we could have nicked it."

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/declan-rice-comments-joao-felix-29195651

Interesting comments by Rice...

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40 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Can we stop using Arteta as a an example of why we should give a midtable manager more time? Arteta has worked with Guardiola and plenty of silverware as assistant manager under his belt plus a respectable playing career. However, as an Arsenal coach he has won just the Anthony Taylor FA cup so far and looks on course to squander an 8 point lead. If they are still top after their second City game, then fair game but till then questions marks remain. If the board have some valuable insight in why GP is one of the best then we have no other choice than trusting them but the rationalisations we get from journalists supposedly itk are flimsy at best.

Arteta trained under Wenger as well who went toe to toe with ferguson for a decade with less resources. If he wins the league this year, then arteta is going to be the hottest new property on the block.

I don't get the comparison, Potter has done nothing notable in his playing career or his managing career, apart from his stint in the Swedish league.

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On 12/02/2023 at 03:31, TheHulk said:

 

Funny how people here are praising Tuchel over Potter considering the fact that Tuchel had a 42% win percentage this season before he got fired 🤣
So the win percentage basically stayed the same the whole season. 

U can argue about Potter and replacing him by lets say Pep, but in fact Potter ist just prolonging what Tuchel started.

Also, if u look at the end of last season, our win percentage under Tuchel in the last 10 games of last years season dropped to 33%! There was a decline that started way earlier. And we are still in this dip. 

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23 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

Funny how people here are praising Tuchel over Potter considering the fact that Tuchel had a 42% win percentage this season before he got fired 🤣
So the win percentage basically stayed the same the whole season. 

U can argue about Potter and replacing him by lets say Pep, but in fact Potter ist just prolonging what Tuchel started.

Also, if u look at the end of last season, our win percentage under Tuchel in the last 10 games of last years season dropped to 33%! There was a decline that started way earlier. And we are still in this dip. 

New board new players new ideas, same old fans. But to be fair to the fans crying out for change already, it will take time for the hire and fire mentality to change 

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3 hours ago, Vytis33 said:

2 wins from 13 in the league.  With more time maybe we can win 3 or 4 in the future 
 

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October we won 3 league games!!! Miracles do happen maybe we can win two this month! Or even one be a start..

Though we've won 8 so most of that was October haha

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